Logic dictates that there is a God!

carl · Post by **carl** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:23 pm

which one is that? the one that will wipe us out and be the end of the world? or the one someone made up?

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:51 pm

b-b5 wrote:
happysadfun wrote:if evolution is true and we all evolved randomly from a bunch of little cells then how come most animals have the basic layout of a head with eyes, mouth, nose, plus legs with few exceptions. and what do you have to say about the first one.
Evolution demands survival of the fittest. The fittest have the basic layout because that has been demonstrated to be the best for hunting and evading being hunted.

If you notice, all predators have their primary sensory detectors pointing forward. All prey have their eyes at the side of their heads allowing for all-round vision and their ears have evolved to be far better at hearing noises from all directions.

Evolution isnt random. Mutation is random.

they say that mutations cause evolution

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:25 pm

Jolly Roger wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:All you need to do is look at the Gospels were the deciples asked Jesus when will the end come? Jesus replied by giving them signs to look for: Earthquakes in various places, wars and rumors of war, pestalence to name a few.
Can anyone name a time when there were no earthquakes, wars and rumors of war and pestilence? I just can't think of any of the top of my head. Perhaps all times are end times.

So I go to foxnews.com and I find this: Buildings Evacuated as 5.9 Quake Rocks Mexico City
- 6.0 Quake Shakes Indonesia

Not to mention the one in Pakistan recently the one that caused the tsunami last December and countless others. They will increase in frequency. Seems to me there is more Earthquake activity now more than any other time in history.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:21 pm

Jay, if god's prophecy is universal why has your signature changed?

slash1890 · Post by **slash1890** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:17 am

Where's the pestilence?

And since when have war, rumors of war, and numerous earthquakes not happened? You still haven't responded to my point. All of these things happen so often. There have been so many times in the past when people thought it was the end of times. Well, according to your logic they must have been right, because all of these things happened then too.

Jolly Roger · Post by **Jolly Roger** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:23 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:All you need to do is look at the Gospels were the deciples asked Jesus when will the end come? Jesus replied by giving them signs to look for: Earthquakes in various places, wars and rumors of war, pestalence to name a few.
Can anyone name a time when there were no earthquakes, wars and rumors of war and pestilence? I just can't think of any of the top of my head. Perhaps all times are end times.
So I go to foxnews.com and I find this: Buildings Evacuated as 5.9 Quake Rocks Mexico City
- 6.0 Quake Shakes Indonesia

Not to mention the one in Pakistan recently the one that caused the tsunami last December and countless others. They will increase in frequency. Seems to me there is more Earthquake activity now more than any other time in history.

It seems to you, does it? And a quick glance at foxnews provides you with enough evidence to support this claim. Interesting.

Jolly Roger · Post by **Jolly Roger** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:26 am

jay_a2j wrote:
motts444 wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:All you need to do is look at the Gospels were the deciples asked Jesus when will the end come? Jesus replied by giving them signs to look for: Earthquakes in various places, wars and rumors of war, pestalence to name a few.
Can anyone name a time when there were no earthquakes, wars and rumors of war and pestilence? I just can't think of any of the top of my head. Perhaps all times are end times.
perhaps the apocolypse has already passed.

I see you edited out the end of my quote...lol Gotta love the omition of the stuff you can't respond to.

edit: meant for jolly roger

I wasn't responding - I was asking a question, one for which your response includes a number of omissions and appears to be based solely on your gut feeling.

slash1890 · Post by **slash1890** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:05 am

slash1890 wrote:
Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life. Noone comes to the Father but through me" You want to believe in the "corn god" go ahead. You can read my posts and choose to disregard it. No one is forcing anyone to believe anything. (In fact it can't be done)
You're not forcing anyone to believe anything? Then why is this topic named "Logic Dictates That There Is A God!"?

I don't want to convert you to disbelief, I just want you to open your mind.

You never answered this.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:36 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Not to mention the one in Pakistan recently the one that caused the tsunami last December and countless others. They will increase in frequency. Seems to me there is more Earthquake activity now more than any other time in history.

This is from the obviously liberal, godless and hellbound United States Geological Survey:

"The USGS estimates that several million earthquakes occur in the world each year. Many go undetected because they hit remote areas or have very small magnitudes. The NEIC now locates about 50 earthquakes each day, or about 20,000 a year.

As more and more seismographs are installed in the world, more earthquakes can be and have been located. However, the number of large earthquakes (magnitude 6.0 and greater) have stayed relatively constant."

Like the rapture and predictions for 'end times', all you have is wild speculation and misguided conclusions.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:16 am

Oh please. The NEIC was established in 1966, even after the world started to get bad. What a dumb thing to say, cola.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:54 am

slash1890 wrote:Where's the pestilence?

And since when have war, rumors of war, and numerous earthquakes not happened? You still haven't responded to my point. All of these things happen so often. There have been so many times in the past when people thought it was the end of times. Well, according to your logic they must have been right, because all of these things happened then too.

From Aids in the 80's to the more recent , mad cow, west nile, bird flu (which could be the next pandemic) ... can you imagine something like the black plauge sweeping across the globe in present day?

I did respond. In 1948 Biblical prophecy was fulfilled with the Jews regaining their land Israel. Scripture states the "generation" that see's that happen will see ALL these things take place until the time of the end.

Jolly Roger · Post by **Jolly Roger** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:54 am

Truman wrote:Oh please. The NEIC was established in 1966, even after the world started to get bad. What a dumb thing to say, cola.

He's right - jay's gut feelings are far more credible. How can you be such an idiot?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:59 am

slash1890 wrote:
slash1890 wrote:
Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life. Noone comes to the Father but through me" You want to believe in the "corn god" go ahead. You can read my posts and choose to disregard it. No one is forcing anyone to believe anything. (In fact it can't be done)
You're not forcing anyone to believe anything? Then why is this topic named "Logic Dictates That There Is A God!"?

I don't want to convert you to disbelief, I just want you to open your mind.
You never answered this.

Answered what? The thread topic does not force antone to believe anything. (evidenced by the number of skeptical posts here)

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:05 am

Jolly Roger wrote:
Truman wrote:Oh please. The NEIC was established in 1966, even after the world started to get bad. What a dumb thing to say, cola.
He's right - jay's gut feelings are far more credible. How can you be such an idiot?

lol... its not "gut feeling". The signs are all around. Math. 24

Jolly Roger · Post by **Jolly Roger** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:39 am

Well, let's look at the 16th century for example. Jews in Palestine, while not in possession of their own state, lived autonomously in the Ottoman state of Palestine, side-by-side with Arabs and Christians in relative harmony. The worst earthquake in history (830,000 dead in China) occured. Epidemics were rampant due to the discovery of the new world - Europeans were picking up all sorts of new diseases their systems were not prepared for from but the native Americans had it worse. Cocoliztli and smallpox killed millions, Mexico was drought-stricken, scurvy was common and there was even a syphillis epidemic back in Europe. There were about 140 wars in this century according to http://www.zum.de/whkmla/military/16cen/16cenindex.html

Now, admittedly, I haven't seen anything to indicate that the Jewish population in Palestine at this time was anything but small. However, the population of Israel today is small in comparison to the Jewish population worldwide. There are almost as many Jews in the US alone as there are in Israel. There can be no denying that the Jews are still scattered.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:43 am

Oh please. The NEIC was established in 1966, even after the world started to get bad. What a dumb thing to say, cola.

My sarcasm detector isn't working too well today...

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:12 am

basically if you're waiting for armageddon, and the signs are war, disease and earthquakes, you could drop into any period of history and the signs would be all around you. Convenient huh?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:19 am

heavycola wrote:basically if you're waiting for armageddon, and the signs are war, disease and earthquakes, you could drop into any period of history and the signs would be all around you. Convenient huh?

No.... because of 1948. That had to happen first.

Pilate · Post by **Pilate** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:25 am

You also had to wait for China and it's "two million" man army

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:26 am

but the generation that witnessed it is now 60 years old. Not much time left...

And like the owl said, the jews are still scattered really.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:35 am

Pilate wrote:You also had to wait for China and it's "two million" man army

That's a done deal.

spring1 · Post by **spring1** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:49 am

heavycola wrote:but the generation that witnessed it is now 60 years old. Not much time left...

And like the owl said, the jews are still scattered really.

hmmm...so, we have, what? 10-15 years left? *Sigh*...I really,really, really wish that I knew what the last sign was...so that I could truly enjoy my final moments while engulfed in some general mayhem and debauchery.

Maybe the 'final sign' of the coming apocalypse is the Cubs winning the World Series! Seriously, people...if that were to actually happen, who here wouldn't feel the effect of the cosmic imbalance as hell finally froze over? Scary thoughts, people...scary thoughts...

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:39 am

jay i'm not sure how old you are but i'm guessing you weren't around when Israel was created.

So - do you believe that the apocalypse is going to happen before the aging generation that was around when Israel was created dies out?
And if so, and if nothing happens, no rivers of blood or thunderbolts, would you then rethink your faith? How woudl you square it?

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:48 am

the bible also predicts that the middle east will burst into war. do you live in a box or are you noticing something? the bible has said that the desert will bloom before end times. did you see the national geographic mega structures thing with palm jumera in dubai? and what all they're doing? and what do you mean where's the pestilence? pestilence inks its way into just about everything you see, tv or real life! face it, the bible has never benn wrong yet on its predictions. the battle of gog magog predictions in ezekiel are starting to come true. russia and iran (the bears from the north) are already making alliances.

http://www.harpazo.net/magog.html
http://www.tribulation.com/gogmagog.htm

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:48 am

heavycola wrote:jay i'm not sure how old you are but i'm guessing you weren't around when Israel was created.

So - do you believe that the apocalypse is going to happen before the aging generation that was around when Israel was created dies out?
And if so, and if nothing happens, no rivers of blood or thunderbolts, would you then rethink your faith? How woudl you square it?

There will be no need to rethink my faith as I am certain of it. We will have to see wether scripture means the establisment of Israel or possibly the Jews will (in mass numbers) return to Israel. Whichever it is Israel had to FIRST be established for this to occur.There is no set time table but it is quite evident that we are heading into the final days. When the anti-christ surfaces he will bring peace to the middle east in effect starting the 7 year tribulation of which this "peace" will only last 3 1/2 years. Followed by 3 1/2 yeas of "hell on earth".

Logic dictates that there is a God!

Does God exist?