[Abandoned] - Galactic Conquest

jako · Post by **jako** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:04 pm

then just remove the system bonuses to lower the bonuses.

unless ur opting for him to change some of the system pathways.

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:07 am

Hi all,

What's everyone's idea on how to proceed? I don't want to edit any starlanes, nor move planets around.

I could add another stargate, but I'd rather much with the bonuses instead.

Would the problem be elieviated by gonig back to the original no system bonuses, only planetary bonuses?

Gnome · Post by **Gnome** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:21 am

ApophisNL wrote:Hi all,

What's everyone's idea on how to proceed? I don't want to edit any starlanes, nor move planets around.

I could add another stargate, but I'd rather much with the bonuses instead.

Would the problem be elieviated by gonig back to the original no system bonuses, only planetary bonuses?

that wouldn't solve the problem...the exploit will still be there...adding a gate would be better than making 'no system' bonus

I'll explain, if you have secunda and Bylaris, you only need to defend the secunda star to hold a bonus of
secunda gives 2
Bylaris gives 1
secunda 1,2 and 3 gives 3
secunda 2 gives 2
Bylaris 1 gives 2
Bylaris 3 gives 1
that make a total bonus of 11
if you drop the system bonus you ll get 8...so not a real diffrence...

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:30 am

So a gate on Bylaris? What about a tear or wormhole instead?

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:59 am

What if you adjusted the bonuses to include something along these lines instead:

If you hold a "planet" bonus, without holding the entire system, you get the planet bonus as usual.

If you hold the ENTIRE system, you get a set bonus for the ENTIRE system, but the planet bonus is not added to that.

Then it would become a 1 or the other type of thing. You could make the system bonus +5, but not having the entire system only bring the usual planet bonuses of +1 or +2.

Of course, I'm not sure if that is allowed with the XML or not.

Aerial Attack · Post by **Aerial Attack** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:06 am

ApophisNL wrote:So a gate on Bylaris? What about a tear or wormhole instead?

Let's weigh the pro's and cons of each:

Tear on Bylaris 3

Pros - This would connect the weakest combination (Devi/Invey) with the strongest combination (Bylaris/Secunda).

Cons - A) Currently all tears/wormholes are on gas giants (possibly gas reactions create and maintain tear/wormhole?) - this would look strange on a regular planet. B) Would leave only 1 weak system combination (Cylan/Junas). C) Extremely close to the Invey tear.

Wormhole on Bylaris 3

Pros - This would connect the second weakest combination (Cylan/Junas) with the strongest combination (Bylaris/Secunda).

Cons - A) Currently all tears/wormholes are on gas giants (possibly gas reactions create and maintain tear/wormhole?) - this would look strange on a regular planet. B) Would leave only 1 weak system combination (Devi/Invey).

Star gate on Bylaris 3

Pros - Would almost completely balance the board, there would be two weak system combinations (fairly easily defended) and a LOT of strong combinations (moderately defensible, with plenty of attack routes).

Cons - A) All star gates are currently within 1 system of each other. B) Secunda might become a bottleneck. C) Suibor star gate could be moved to Ranara to match, then everything would be all good [except for no longer having a gate at the best place to put the explanatory text] D) Slightly cramped on the small map, but possible. E) Six star gates would make the connected planets/systems extremely difficult to hold (five probably already does that). Is this a bad thing?

Star gate on Secunda 1

Pros - Would almost completely balance the board, there would be two weak system combinations (fairly easily defended) and a LOT of strong combinations (moderately defensible, with plenty of attack routes).

Cons - Six star gates would make the connected planets/systems extremely difficult to hold (five probably already does that). Is this a bad thing?

Seems like the winner is Star Gate on Secunda 1 (unless this makes the gates too powerful).

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:12 pm

If we put a gate there, how about making a +x bonus for holding all gates? Would that help or hinder?

Also: How would people feel about making all the central systems neutral to start (along with all the +0 and +2's)? Kind of a galactic revolution where the core systems start neutral and the outer rim systems are where the players start? And by core I mean the 5 systems with stargates (right now).

Aerial Attack · Post by **Aerial Attack** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:22 pm

ApophisNL wrote:If we put a gate there, how about making a +x bonus for holding all gates? Would that help or hinder?

As it currently stands - if you hold all 5 gates, you get a plus 8 for the planets holding those gates. The 6th gate would make it +9. I suppose you could have a star gates bonus (+1 for 3 or 4?, + 3 for all 6) as long as you didn't make it too large

ApophisNL wrote:Also: How would people feel about making all the central systems neutral to start (along with all the +0 and +2's)? Kind of a galactic revolution where the core systems start neutral and the outer rim systems are where the players start?

I like this idea. What are we identifying as the core systems? Also, are we just talking about the Stars in those systems or the entire system (that's a LOT of neutral terrs)

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:36 pm

Aerial Attack wrote:I like this idea. What are we identifying as the core systems? Also, are we just talking about the Stars in those systems or the entire system (that's a LOT of neutral terrs)

Everything in Eallah, Fikwi, Qyis, Asomin & Suibor. Planets & suns.

jako · Post by **jako** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:10 pm

might wanna rethink ur core system neutral ideas.

most people hate neutrals and the more neutrals there are, teh more it discourages players from takign anything from neutrals if its not necessary. so the big bonus areas with neutrals will most likely be left alone which is redundant then to have them in the first place.

the only feasible solution is more wormholes/space rifts/gates?

im not too sure though.

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:34 pm

Looking through the XML stuff, I thought of something else:

If we leave the core systems as neutrals (adn the +0 & +2's) what if controlling the stargates as they are now is a win senario? That way people start in the outer rim areas and fight towards the center for control of the stargates?

Is that something people would be interested in?

jako · Post by **jako** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:05 pm

not sure if the XML can do that, but i wouldnt be interested. but thats just my taste.

i prefer conquering all or not conquering at all.

bloknayrb · Post by **bloknayrb** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:02 am

I think it looks good so far. GO SPACE MAPS!

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:16 pm

Hi All,

Any other thoughts on where to go next?

So far, a stargate on Secunda 1 is suggested and I put out the idea of making all the core systems neutral to begin with and possibly making holding all the stargates a win condition.

I'd like some more comments before doing anything.

Aerial Attack · Post by **Aerial Attack** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:53 am

jako wrote:not sure if the XML can do that, but i wouldnt be interested. but thats just my taste.

i prefer conquering all or not conquering at all.

If you look at what DiM is doing with Age of Might, you'll see that almost all of his terrs are neutral to start (except the Castles). So, you can definitely do it with the XML.

The biggest thing I see is that the neutral heavy start - especially in the center/core of the map has already been identified for a space map [Colonisation - which may or may not be dead, but that's slightly beside the point]. I'm not against this idea - as I said, I find it interesting.

Apophis,

My preference is just to add a gate to Secunda 1 and add a poll to see if there is interest in continuing this project.

Edit your signature to include a link (to this thread) to the right of the picture.

Make the Poll options (run poll for 10 days):

1) It's ready - I like it, I want to play it
2) Game Play has issues - work those out
3) Graphics has issues - fix those
4) I don't like it

There will always be people who vote for 4 - hopefully an extremely small minority. Same with option 3 [here they need to explain what's wrong].

Option 2, I can see being a stumbling block. If they vote for this, they need to provide possible solutions or give an opinion on the game plays already listed.

If you get enough interest and support for Option 1 [20+ votes, 65% approval] - then you just need to find out from Coleman, Cairnswk, and/or Andy what needs to be done so it can be moved to FF.

jako · Post by **jako** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:36 pm

i was actually referring to apophis's suggestion of making the capturing of the gates a win scenario.

i know u can start nearly everything on map neutral if u wanted to.

im still not a big fan of heavy neutrals.

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:01 am

I'll setup the poll...

Aerial Attack · Post by **Aerial Attack** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:42 am

You forgot to update the image before doing the poll. You definitely need to put a gate on Secunda 1 - then it will be ready.

Otherwise, it's option 2 where you need to figure out how you want to handle the imbalance of holding Secunda and Bylaris.

Also - try to state when in the thread when the poll will be closing (as I said - it should be for about 10 days, makes it Nov 2 or 3)

EDIT: you need to add the words "(Please explain)" to the I don't like it option

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:39 am

Ok, I've updated the map and I'm going to fix the 1st post. Edited both large and small.

- Added Stargate to Secunda I
- Changed Secunda bonus to +3

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:03 am

Hi Guys,

I took a stab at the XML and here's what I got. Ignore the coordinates, I havn't mapped them precicly.

I only put neutrals on Gas Giants, Earths, and Stargated planets.

Holding all the stargates is a win.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
<title>Galactic Conquest</title>
<smallwidth>600</smallwidth>
<smallheight>450</smallheight>
<largewidth>800</largewidth>
<largeheight>600</largeheight>
<filetype>jpg</filetype>
<objective>
<name>Hold all Stargates</name>
<components>
<component>Secunda I</component>
<component>Asomin IV</component>
<component>Qyis I</component>
<component>Suibor II</component>
<component>Eallah III</component>
<component>Fikwi III</component>
</components>
</objective>
<continent>
<name>Asomin</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
<components>
<component>Asomin</component>
<component>Asomin I</component>
<component>Asomin II</component>
<component>Asomin III</component>
<component>Asomin IV</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Bylaris</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Bylaris</component>
<component>Bylaris I</component>
<component>Bylaris II</component>
<component>Bylaris III</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Cylan</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<component>Cylan</component>
<component>Cylan I</component>
<component>Cylan II</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Devi</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<component>Devi</component>
<component>Devi I</component>
<component>Devi II</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Eallah</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
<components>
<component>Eallah</component>
<component>Eallah I</component>
<component>Eallah II</component>
<component>Eallah III</component>
<component>Eallah IV</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Fikwi</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
<components>
<component>Fikwi</component>
<component>Fikwi I</component>
<component>Fikwi II</component>
<component>Fikwi III</component>
<component>Fikwi IV</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Haig</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<component>Haig</component>
<component>Haig I</component>
<component>Haig II</component>
<component>Haig III</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Invey</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<component>Invey</component>
<component>Invey I</component>
<component>Invey II</component>
<component>Invey III</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Junas</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<component>Junas</component>
<component>Junas I</component>
<component>Junas II</component>
<component>Junas III</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Kilam</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>
<components>
<component>Kilam</component>
<component>Kilam I</component>
<component>Kilam II</component>
<component>Kilam III</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Qyis</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
<components>
<component>Qyis</component>
<component>Qyis I</component>
<component>Qyis II</component>
<component>Qyis III</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Ranara</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
<components>
<component>Ranara</component>
<component>Ranara I</component>
<component>Ranara II</component>
<component>Ranara III</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Secunda</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>
<components>
<component>Secunda</component>
<component>Secunda I</component>
<component>Secunda II</component>
<component>Secunda III</component>
<component>Secunda IV</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Suibor</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
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<component>Suibor</component>
<component>Suibor I</component>
<component>Suibor II</component>
<component>Suibor III</component>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>Worius</name>
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<component>Worius</component>
<component>Worius I</component>
<component>Worius II</component>
<component>Worius III</component>
<component>Worius IV</component>
</components>
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<name>Asomin</name>
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<border>Qyis</border>
<border>Cylan</border>
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<border>Asomin II</border>
<border>Asomin III</border>
<border>Asomin IV</border>
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<border>Asomin III</border>
<border>Asomin IV</border>
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</coordinates>
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</coordinates>
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</coordinates>
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</coordinates>
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</coordinates>
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</coordinates>
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</territory>
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<name>Invey I</name>
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<border>Invey</border>
<border>Invey II</border>
<border>Invey III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>466</smallx>
<smally>339</smally>

</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
<bonus>0</bonus>
</territory>
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<name>Invey II</name>
<borders>
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<border>Invey I</border>
<border>Invey III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>518</smallx>
<smally>351</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
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<name>Invey III</name>
<borders>
<border>Invey I</border>
<border>Invey II</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>560</smallx>
<smally>311</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
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<name>Junas</name>
<borders>
<border>Kilam</border>
<border>Junas I</border>
<border>Junas II</border>
<border>Junas III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>429</smallx>
<smally>89</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>0</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Junas I</name>
<borders>
<border>Junas</border>
<border>Junas III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>381</smallx>
<smally>98</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>JunasII</name>
<borders>
<border>Junas</border>
<border>Junas III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>425</smallx>
<smally>120</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Junas III</name>
<borders>
<border>Cylan I</border>
<border>Junas</border>
<border>Junas I</border>
<border>Junas II</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>482</smallx>
<smally>80</smally>

</coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
<bonus>0</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Kilam</name>
<borders>
<border>Devi</border>
<border>Junas</border>
<border>Eallah</border>
<border>Kilam I</border>
<border>Kilam II</border>
<border>Kilam III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>232</smallx>
<smally>65</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>0</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Kilam I</name>
<borders>
<border>Kilam</border>
<border>Kilam II</border>
<border>Kilam III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>196</smallx>
<smally>50</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Kilam II</name>
<borders>
<border>Kilam</border>
<border>Kilam I</border>
<border>Kilam III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>202</smallx>
<smally>86</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Kilam III</name>
<borders>
<border>Kilam</border>
<border>Kilam I</border>
<border>Kilam II</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>267</smallx>
<smally>80</smally>

</coordinates>
<neutral>4</neutral>
<bonus>2</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Qyis</name>
<borders>
<border>Asomin</border>
<border>Fikwi</border>
<border>Secunda</border>
<border>Qyis I</border>
<border>Qyis II</border>
<border>Qyis III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>371</smallx>
<smally>299</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>0</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Qyis I</name>
<borders>
<border>Suibor II</border>
<border>Eallah III</border>
<border>Fikwi III</border>
<border>Asomin IV</border>
<border>Secunda I</border>
<border>Qyis</border>
<border>Qyis II</border>
<border>Qyis III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>337</smallx>
<smally>321</smally>

</coordinates>
<neutral>4</neutral>
<bonus>2</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Qyis II</name>
<borders>
<border>Qyis</border>
<border>Qyis I</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>404</smallx>
<smally>313</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Qyis III</name>
<borders>
<border>Qyis</border>
<border>Qyis I</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>398</smallx>
<smally>265</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Ranara</name>
<borders>
<border>Suibor</border>
<border>Ranara I</border>
<border>Ranara II</border>
<border>Ranara III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>67</smallx>
<smally>164</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>0</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Ranara I</name>
<borders>
<border>Ranara</border>
<border>Ranara III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>28</smallx>
<smally>149</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Ranara II</name>
<borders>
<border>Ranara</border>
<border>Ranara III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>45</smallx>
<smally>193</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Ranara III</name>
<borders>

<border>Ranara</border>
<border>Ranara I</border>
<border>Ranara II</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>111</smallx>
<smally>165</smally>

</coordinates>
<neutral>4</neutral>
<bonus>2</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Secunda</name>
<borders>
<border>Bylaris</border>
<border>Secunda I</border>
<border>Secunda II</border>
<border>Secunda III</border>
<border>Secunda IV</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>393</smallx>
<smally>403</smally>
<largex>494</largex>
<largey>502</largey>
</coordinates>
<bonus>0</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Secunda I</name>
<borders>
<border>Secunda</border>
<border>Secunda II</border>
<border>Secunda III</border>
<border>Secunda IV</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>350</smallx>
<smally>385</smally>
<largex>454</largex>
<largey>488</largey>
</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Secunda II</name>
<borders>
<border>Secunda</border>
<border>Secunda I</border>
<border>Secunda III</border>
<border>Secunda IV</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>360</smallx>
<smally>426</smally>
<largex>465</largex>
<largey>536</largey>
</coordinates>
<neutral>4</neutral>
<bonus>2</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Secunda III</name>
<borders>
<border>Secunda</border>
<border>Secunda I</border>
<border>Secunda II</border>
<border>Secunda IV</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>409</smallx>
<smally>424</smally>
<largex>512</largex>
<largey>547</largey>
</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Secunda IV</name>
<borders>
<border>Secunda</border>
<border>Secunda I</border>
<border>Secunda II</border>
<border>Secunda III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>423</smallx>
<smally>382</smally>
<largex>545</largex>
<largey>516</largey>
</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Suibor</name>
<borders>
<border>Ranara</border>
<border>Eallah</border>
<border>Asomin</border>
<border>Suibor I</border>
<border>Suibor II</border>
<border>Suibor III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>183</smallx>
<smally>235</smally>
</coordinates>
<bonus>0</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Suibor I</name>
<borders>
<border>Suibor</border>
<border>Suibor II</border>
<border>Suibor III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>169</smallx>
<smally>206</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Suibor II</name>
<borders>
<border>Fikwi III</border>
<border>Eallah III</border>
<border>Qyis I</border>
<border>Asomin IV</border>
<border>Secunda I</border>
<border>Suibor</border>
<border>Suibor I</border>
<border>Suibor III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>157</smallx>
<smally>256</smally>

</coordinates>
<neutral>4</neutral>
<bonus>2</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Suibor III</name>
<borders>
<border>Suibor I</border>
<border>Suibor II</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>231</smallx>
<smally>241</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Worius</name>
<borders>
<border>Haig</border>
<border>Invey</border>
<border>Worius I</border>
<border>Worius II</border>
<border>Worius III</border>
<border>Worius IV</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>487</smallx>
<smally>245</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>0</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Worius I</name>
<borders>
<border>Worius</border>
<border>Worius II</border>
<border>Worius III</border>
<border>Worius IV</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>454</smallx>
<smally>230</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Worius II</name>
<borders>
<border>Worius</border>
<border>Worius I</border>
<border>Worius III</border>
<border>Worius IV</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>445</smallx>
<smally>269</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Worius III</name>
<borders>
<border>Worius</border>
<border>Worius I</border>
<border>Worius II</border>
<border>Worius IV</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>515</smallx>
<smally>268</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
<name>Worius IV</name>
<borders>
<border>Worius</border>
<border>Worius I</border>
<border>Worius II</border>
<border>Worius III</border>
</borders>
<coordinates>
<smallx>525</smallx>
<smally>236</smally>

</coordinates>
<bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
</map>

yamahafazer · Post by **yamahafazer** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:57 am

Why have you put a "+0 for gas giant planets" in the legend when if it's a +0 it dosen't need to be there anyway?

jako · Post by **jako** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:00 pm

i dont think its possible to code XML to make just capturing the gates a win scenario.

and personally i dont like that idea at all.

but the map looks great so far.

Aerial Attack · Post by **Aerial Attack** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:44 pm

yamaha,

The +0 for the Gas giants is so he can easily say "all other planets +1." That would be difficult w/o the +0 gas giants comment. Besides the red glow is important.

jako,

The XML is possible, you just need to code something like this (I don't know the appropriate win terminology):

Code: Select all

<win_scenario>
// maybe required tag starts here - with no terr count?
<territory>Secunda 1</territory>
<territory>Suibor 2</territory>
<territory>Asomin 4 1</territory>
<territory>Qyis 1</territory>
<territory>Fikwi 3</territory>
<territory>Eallah 3</territory>
<required>6</required>
</win_scenario>

That is sort of what it would look like. As I said, I don't know the specifics - but it's the same as holding all the castles for Age of Realms: Age of Might

I think it will look very similar to the Pearl Harbor and Italy partial bonuses code.

Ninjastar13 · Post by **Ninjastar13** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:49 pm

some of the planets are a little too similar in color and can be confusing for colorblind ppl like me..... i have a hard time with the army colors i dont need it in maps. Otherwise this map looks absolutey a blast to play on. Great job.

ApophisNL · Post by **ApophisNL** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:17 pm

Aerial Attack wrote:yamaha,

The +0 for the Gas giants is so he can easily say "all other planets +1." That would be difficult w/o the +0 gas giants comment. Besides the red glow is important.

jako,

The XML is possible, you just need to code something like this (I don't know the appropriate win terminology):
Code: Select all
<win_scenario>
// maybe required tag starts here - with no terr count?
<territory>Secunda 1</territory>
<territory>Suibor 2</territory>
<territory>Asomin 4 1</territory>
<territory>Qyis 1</territory>
<territory>Fikwi 3</territory>
<territory>Eallah 3</territory>
<required>6</required>
</win_scenario>
That is sort of what it would look like. As I said, I don't know the specifics - but it's the same as holding all the castles for Age of Realms: Age of Might

I think it will look very similar to the Pearl Harbor and Italy partial bonuses code.

This is all I saw in the xml tutorial...

Objectives

Optionally, you can specify winning conditions for your map. An objective is a set of territories that when held will give the player an early victory. A map can have several objectives and a held objective ends the game in both Assassin and Terminator games. In the case of a Terminator game points would be earned from all opponents who haven't been terminated. Suppose an objective is to hold both Kamchatka and Alaska. The XML would look like this:

Code:
<objective>
<components>
<component>Kamchatka</component>
<component>Alaska</component>
</components>
</objective>

So I wrote:
<objective>
<name>Hold all Stargates</name>
<components>
<component>Secunda I</component>
<component>Asomin IV</component>
<component>Qyis I</component>
<component>Suibor II</component>
<component>Eallah III</component>
<component>Fikwi III</component>
</components>
</objective>