JonBenet Ramsey

stache hag · Post by **stache hag** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:45 pm

I just saw on TV...... the guy said, "I was with JonBenet when she died." He admitted his guilt, but, says it was an accident.

HighBorn · Post by **HighBorn** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:48 pm

well defamation of character is a sueable offense

stache hag · Post by **stache hag** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:50 pm

Yes, but really, I have no idea if you can or cannot sue in this case, Owl would know.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:53 pm

stache hag wrote:Yes, but really, I have no idea if you can or cannot sue in this case, Owl would know.

it's tough, i mean i'm all for free speech - i was chatting to a friend the other day and in teh UK we don;t have free speech - i mean you can;t incite racial or religious hatred, i.e. no Klan rallies. I don;t know if that's a good thing, but the media shouldn't be allowed to get away with what they do. They should be accountable for stuff like this.

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:34 pm

HighBorn wrote:well defamation of character is a sueable offense

Yes, but the elements of defamation are:

1. Publication of a false and defamatory statement

Publication simply means telling it to people, whether it be a few or on national TV.

2. Publication was not privileged and was done with fault (malice).

Sop, if it is in a court proceeding or other similar circumstance, it is privileged and no one can get in trouble for that, but aside from that, there has to be MALICE. The speaker has to know that the statement is false and injurious, and make the statement anyway. These people believed the statements about the Ramsey's were true, there is nothing to sue over.

3. Injury occurred.

Well, obviously this is true as it was damaging to them.

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:35 pm

And to hold the media accountable for defamation there is almost a higher standard, because of the chilling effect on free speech it would have if a media outlet constantly had to be defending defamation suits.

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:38 pm

Oh, and there is a LOT of speculation that this is a false confession:

For instance, this article

And this one.

stache hag · Post by **stache hag** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:50 pm

Well, I can tell you one thing for certain, "He's a FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG!"

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:55 pm

stache hag wrote:Let me ask you, Caleb, did/do people in CO believe it was the parents? What was the talk there, closer to where it happened?

At first there was widespread panic in this area because there was supposedly a child killer on the loose
but as time passed and the media started talking everyone thought it was the mother, not some crazy child hunter, they thought the mother was jealous of her daughter because JonBenet was in all these pagents and what not
so people became less afraid because the parents moved to georgia
and the mother did know before her death that there was a suspect in the case
and there have already been at least 6 multi-million lawsuits against the media, 5 settled out of court and the other one thrown out by the judge
there are rumored to be at least another 6 multi-million lawsuits on the way
the ramsey's were rich to begin with, have you seen their old house? and real estate is not cheap to begin with in and around boulder

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:05 pm

How do you know it is a "multi-million" dollar lawsuit if it settles out of court?

stache hag · Post by **stache hag** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:07 pm

I was unaware that the family moved to GA.

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:09 pm

OwlLawyer wrote:How do you know it is a "multi-million" dollar lawsuit if it settles out of court?

the original lawsuits were multi-millions, i don't know what the actual settlement was though

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:04 pm

heavycola wrote:The parents got hounded by the press for years, didn't they? Trial by media and all that. Didn't teh governor of Colortado virtually call them guilty as well? Poor bastards. I hope this means they can sue the shit out of someone.

Patsy Ramsey passed away from cancer. But I guess the father could sue.

cowshrptrn · Post by **cowshrptrn** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:24 pm

of course when a rich white child gets kidnapped its all over the media, but if it happens to a poor or minority person it gets a five minute blurb on the local news channel

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:29 pm

just from the little I've read, I am wondering if it's just a sicko's ploy to get attention (hey that guy belongs HERE!). the freak seemed obsessed with her and avoided questions about what caused JB's death.

stache hag · Post by **stache hag** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:14 am

wicked wrote:just from the little I've read, I am wondering if it's just a sicko's ploy to get attention (hey that guy belongs HERE!). the freak seemed obsessed with her and avoided questions about what caused JB's death.

Agreed, Wicked. Now that more of the story is coming out, things are seeming weird, and he is starting to seem full of shit. If he is lying, that is so fucking sick.

Banana Stomper · Post by **Banana Stomper** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:03 pm

yea this guy totally didn't do it, he's just a perv who was fixated on the case.

And i wonder what this guy was doing in thailand.................

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:03 pm

yeah since the conference in bangkok things don't seem completely right
but we will find out more soon as he is being transported here this weekend
it would be kinda weird to be on a plane with a possible killer
glad i don't fly to/from thailand

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:41 pm

one of my co-workers is flying to Thailand this weekend... I'll tell him to go kick that sicko in the balls.

Kylie · Post by **Kylie** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:46 pm

I dont know i just dont buy it i really believed it was the mother but of course thats kinda how the media wanted it to look i guess... I mean the guy was a school teacher goodness who is a child abuser these days

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:58 pm

Well, if Carr isn't the doer, then we all know why he was in Thailand.

If he did kill Ramsey, then Mr. Ramsey has a golden opportunity to sue all the tabloids for lots o' money. It may not be right, but it is opportunity.

Shaman · Post by **Shaman** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:02 pm

If I'm not mistaken this guy was also facing criminal charges in Thailand.

If that be the case then he may have admitted to killing her, so he could get expedidted back to ther U.S. and not do time in a Thailand prsion, where hell was invented.

stache hag · Post by **stache hag** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:23 am

I was away for the weekend, and didn't see the news... but, I am starting to believe this guy may not be involved.

OwlLawyer · Post by **OwlLawyer** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:54 am

vtmarik wrote:If he did kill Ramsey, then Mr. Ramsey has a golden opportunity to sue all the tabloids for lots o' money. It may not be right, but it is opportunity.

Not really. Read my post earlier on the requirements to win the suit. Basically, one would have to prove that the tabloids knew that Patsy Ramsey and John Ramsey were not involved, and maliciously pubilshed that they were anyway.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:08 pm

OwlLawyer wrote:Not really. Read my post earlier on the requirements to win the suit. Basically, one would have to prove that the tabloids knew that Patsy Ramsey and John Ramsey were not involved, and maliciously pubilshed that they were anyway.

Yes, those are the legal requirements.

We all know that the law does not apply if you've got a savvy enough lawyer, look at the idiot who won a suit against McDonalds for spilling hot coffee all over herself.