Wandlore Battles Kalish out. Hogwart wins!

[Koesen]

He is? Okay, if you say so. It's been too long since I read the books. I thought he was just a giant and the animal caretaker.

Nevertheless, I still don't buy the 'he's not a wizard, therefore he has to be third party' logic.

[nagerous]

If I remember rightly he wasn't the greatest wizard, being a bit clumsy and all but hes very pro-town and going to be in the game.

[Sierra_Leon]

I've read up! Here's my view on the kwan vs syz issue:

kwanton is really Hermione. I found out when I read his very first post in this thread:

Vote - - - Syzgy

Mainly because it's random, but mostly because you aren't here to defend yourself...So,



Oh and freezie...

"Some relics of the 4 foundaters of Hogwart"

Should be "founders"...FYI

"Crucio"

Wingardium Leviosa.


vote fircoal

Notice that the o in "Wingardium Leviosa" is in italics, as if he is placing the emphasis on that letter. This is exactly how Hermione shows Ron and Harry how the spell is done in the first HP book.

I believe kwanton left a breadcrum there, which is why I believe his claim. Which means Syz lied about his role and must be scum.

Vote Syzygy


I encourage everybody to either vote for kwanton or Syzygy. When there are two people claiming the same role, you should always lynch one of them! Look back at Athalalalathka mafia to see what happens when you don't.

[Sierra_Leon]

Some other things I picked up are: Neut went after nag, fir and mandy on day 2. That probably makes them town, no guarantees though.

Talapus defended Neutrino day 2:

First off, Unvote - - Mandy.


Secondly, I don't think Nuetrino is scum. I've seen nuet play scum before and usually makes smarter moves then what's going on in here. Fircoal seems like a decent lynch at the moment, but I'm not too sure. The fact that 2 scum are dead is great for us because it gives us more breathing room. I think for now I'll vote Fircoal because he's our best bet.

He's claimed George (twin), but exile claims Fred and claims not to know anything about a twin-relationship. George might have been a fake claim provided by freezie, but Talapus screwed up when he claimed to have some sort of mason-relation with Fred who he didn't know was really in the game.

Kalish might have made up his claim.

Damn, you guys have been busy. Sorry I've been quiet, I was gone on Sunday all day.

I am Fawkes. I dunno who or what that is but I've got a 1-shot ability to make a wand and once in the game I can take a curse for someone, that would normally cause death, and they won't die but I will; however I'll be reborn the next day (seems kinda weird to me, I wonder what the hell I am; perhaps I'll Google it).

Second, kwan really wants lynched. I don't think that we should go with that option at all, sounds fishy to me.

This game is hard when you don't know much about HP so I'll put in when I notice something, but for the must part all the wands and names and stuff, I got nothing so I leave that to you guys.

However after re-reading, I'm quite suspicious of Talapus, Syzygy and kwan at the moment, and slightly suspicious of mandalorian.

After this plays out a little more, I'll put a vote on someone, just not sure who yet though.

I find it very hard to believe that you didn't look up your character before. A much more likely explanation for this story is that you wanted your claim to look more realistic by having the role fit the character perfectly, but pretending not to know anything about the character yourself. My bet would be on you being a dementor SK. Your 3rd-party claim would hold, as would the fact that you're not a wizard and thus cannot use a wand.


As I would have it, we lynch
- Syz day 3;
- Kalish day 4;
- Tal day 5.
Unless any night actions clear kalish/tal of suspicions or kills them.

There you go. It took me a while, but I've got the game wrapped up now.

[Fircoal]

Some other things I picked up are: Neut went after nag, fir and mandy on day 2. That probably makes them town, no guarantees though.

Talapus defended Neutrino day 2:

First off, Unvote - - Mandy.


Secondly, I don't think Nuetrino is scum. I've seen nuet play scum before and usually makes smarter moves then what's going on in here. Fircoal seems like a decent lynch at the moment, but I'm not too sure. The fact that 2 scum are dead is great for us because it gives us more breathing room. I think for now I'll vote Fircoal because he's our best bet.

He's claimed George (twin), but exile claims Fred and claims not to know anything about a twin-relationship. George might have been a fake claim provided by freezie, but Talapus screwed up when he claimed to have some sort of mason-relation with Fred who he didn't know was really in the game.

Kalish might have made up his claim.

Damn, you guys have been busy. Sorry I've been quiet, I was gone on Sunday all day.

I am Fawkes. I dunno who or what that is but I've got a 1-shot ability to make a wand and once in the game I can take a curse for someone, that would normally cause death, and they won't die but I will; however I'll be reborn the next day (seems kinda weird to me, I wonder what the hell I am; perhaps I'll Google it).

Second, kwan really wants lynched. I don't think that we should go with that option at all, sounds fishy to me.

This game is hard when you don't know much about HP so I'll put in when I notice something, but for the must part all the wands and names and stuff, I got nothing so I leave that to you guys.

However after re-reading, I'm quite suspicious of Talapus, Syzygy and kwan at the moment, and slightly suspicious of mandalorian.

After this plays out a little more, I'll put a vote on someone, just not sure who yet though.

I find it very hard to believe that you didn't look up your character before. A much more likely explanation for this story is that you wanted your claim to look more realistic by having the role fit the character perfectly, but pretending not to know anything about the character yourself. My bet would be on you being a dementor SK. Your 3rd-party claim would hold, as would the fact that you're not a wizard and thus cannot use a wand.


As I would have it, we lynch
- Syz day 3;
- Kalish day 4;
- Tal day 5.
Unless any night actions clear kalish/tal of suspicions or kills them.

There you go. It took me a while, but I've got the game wrapped up now.

I argee with most of your reasoning, but I think Kalish might be town, and I'd rather lynch I'm day 6. MY idea for the lynches is this:

Syz - Day 3
TAl - Day 4
Exile - Day 5
Kalish - Day 6

[Syzygy]

I've read up! Here's my view on the kwan vs syz issue:

kwanton is really Hermione. I found out when I read his very first post in this thread:

Vote - - - Syzgy

Mainly because it's random, but mostly because you aren't here to defend yourself...So,



Oh and freezie...

"Some relics of the 4 foundaters of Hogwart"

Should be "founders"...FYI

"Crucio"

Wingardium Leviosa.


vote fircoal

Notice that the o in "Wingardium Leviosa" is in italics, as if he is placing the emphasis on that letter. This is exactly how Hermione shows Ron and Harry how the spell is done in the first HP book.

I believe kwanton left a breadcrum there, which is why I believe his claim. Which means Syz lied about his role and must be scum.

Vote Syzygy


I encourage everybody to either vote for kwanton or Syzygy. When there are two people claiming the same role, you should always lynch one of them! Look back at Athalalalathka mafia to see what happens when you don't.

No, sorry - wrong. If that was a hint he was dropping I'm sure he would have inform us about it long ago.

So tell me... Are you in allegiance with him?

[Koesen]

The reason I trust Syzygy more than Kwanton is that just before I went too far quoting my pro town PM, I hinted at its contents in a more subtle and legitimate manner, and Syzygy was one of the very few who picked up on it.

[Syzygy]

I've read up! Here's my view on the kwan vs syz issue:

kwanton is really Hermione. I found out when I read his very first post in this thread:

Vote - - - Syzgy

Mainly because it's random, but mostly because you aren't here to defend yourself...So,



Oh and freezie...

"Some relics of the 4 foundaters of Hogwart"

Should be "founders"...FYI

"Crucio"

Wingardium Leviosa.


vote fircoal

Notice that the o in "Wingardium Leviosa" is in italics, as if he is placing the emphasis on that letter. This is exactly how Hermione shows Ron and Harry how the spell is done in the first HP book.

I believe kwanton left a breadcrum there, which is why I believe his claim. Which means Syz lied about his role and must be scum.

Vote Syzygy


I encourage everybody to either vote for kwanton or Syzygy. When there are two people claiming the same role, you should always lynch one of them! Look back at Athalalalathka mafia to see what happens when you don't.

No, sorry - wrong. If that was a hint he was dropping I'm sure he would have inform us about it long ago.

So tell me... Are you in allegiance with him?

EBWOP.

And don't give me B.S. about discretion. Counter-claiming would warrant him pointing it out instantly. Since he didn't, especially when it would have helped his case tremendously, I can only conclude that it was in not a hint.

[ga7]

Kwanton's actions sound more like frustrated scum that hes being owned and trying to end the game in a bang possibly.

That's a good point.
SL, that thing means nothing. He could have said that because it's his favorite character, anything really. Dropping hints on a potential power role (since scum weren't aware of the wand-only stuff) on day 1? No way Kwan would do that.

In any case, while there's interesting elements, I believe we are getting sidetracked here. I urge everyone to leave everything on the side, lynch Tal so that whatever happens a scum is down, and settle the Kwan/Syzygy matter tomorrow. I believe Kalish is the best option for an investigation, since his case only involves himself contrary to the other ones.

[kalishnikov]

Kwanton's actions sound more like frustrated scum that hes being owned and trying to end the game in a bang possibly.

That's a good point.
SL, that thing means nothing. He could have said that because it's his favorite character, anything really. Dropping hints on a potential power role (since scum weren't aware of the wand-only stuff) on day 1? No way Kwan would do that.

In any case, while there's interesting elements, I believe we are getting sidetracked here. I urge everyone to leave everything on the side, lynch Tal so that whatever happens a scum is down, and settle the Kwan/Syzygy matter tomorrow. I believe Kalish is the best option for an investigation, since his case only involves himself contrary to the other ones.

I agree with this. Between kwan/Syzygy I'm betting that one of them won't make it till tomorrow anyway, but we can see where we sand then. We lynch Talapus today, I can be investigated tonight, and we can move on.

Who are you gonna NK tonight, ga? Just curious, it may play into our lynch depending on who you decide.

[ga7]

I won't decide before the lynch result.

[Syzygy]

[quote="ga7"]I won't decide before the lynch result. [/quote

Give me a few moments. I'm getting some coffee and I'm about to write a long argument for lynching Kwanton.

[ga7]

Syzygy, your argument might be useful, but I really don't think we should lynch either of you today. It's another case of "You lie!" "No you lie, scum!" where town simply doesn't have enough info to make a clear-cut decision.

[Talapus]

Really, no counter claim to me being George... The reason that is is because I am George...Anyway, there are a lot of theories out there right now about who's best to lynch and I'm still not totally sure. Kwanton seems to want it pretty bad, but claims by doing so would prove syzygy is scum. Who knows at this point, either way I'll wait for Syz's arguement. For now though, I'll Unvote because I need to go back over some of the statements made in the last day and reread,

[Syzygy]

Why you should kill Kwanton:

1. His actions have been completely out of character. He has never played like this in another game. Hence, he looks scummy. Also metagaming... (Though a weak point, its worth mentioning.)

2. He claimed the same role as me, Hermione.

3. He also roleclaimed that he was Dobby, a jester. (That's two roles he's claimed now.) Furthermore, before he directly stated this he said that was not a jester on page 47. Oh look, another lie on Kwanton's part.

4. He's made ridiculous threats. He claims targeting me with 'Voldy's wand' will both prevent my night action and remove my vote for tomorrow.

Here that bit is:

...I know that I didn't have a power before I stole that wand from mandy (which I will be targetting syz with tonight, taking away his vote and night power for tomorow so if you think he's town you guys better lynch me today....

Alright, that may actually be possible with a wand, but I seriously doubt it. Overpowered is the word that comes to mind.

There is however another huge problem with this situation though. Voldemort's wand roleblocks? Pfff. Yeah right. I really can't see Freezie giving voldemort. The most evil villain in the story gets a roleblocking wand? Yeah, sure thing... right - keep the jokes coming Kwan.

5.

I stole voldy's wand from mandy last night.

This is a continuation of point 4. Here Kwanton claims to have stolen Voldemort's wand from mandy. The wands are named with titles such as "The Spy Wand" not [Insert charcter's name]'s wand. Nagerous can verify this, seeing as he stole such a wand. Hence, Kwanton looks more scummy.

6. Kwanton spewed garbage regarding him wanting me to be the first person voting him for something to happen, but Freezie confirmed the order of voting was inconsequential. Hence, he looks more scummy.

And lastly... I think there's a large possibility he may be a jester if not scum - that's why he should rather be killed tonight. I.e. Don't lynch him.

Why you should kill me:

1. Kwan claimed the same role as me.

Oh look, that's the only actual solid reason in his favour.

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If I think of more points, I'll post. I'm just leaving this in the meantime and getting that coffee I wanted and I'll be awaiting your feedback.

[Syzygy]

Also metagaming... (Though a weak point, its worth mentioning.)

I should expand on this. Someone stated (I really don't feel like looking back again) that he acted erratically when cornered in the re-inquisition mafia.

Erratic behavior when cornered both times = scummy appearance.

[Syzygy]

Oh, and Kwan mentioned my "fake" role-claim as being stupid...

As to that, if I was scum I wouldn't be so fucking idiotic to claim such a prominent, one that would definitely be included in this game, role.

[mandalorian2298]

4. He's made ridiculous threats. He claims targeting me with 'Voldy's wand' will both prevent my night action and remove my vote for tomorrow.

Here that bit is:

...I know that I didn't have a power before I stole that wand from mandy (which I will be targetting syz with tonight, taking away his vote and night power for tomorow so if you think he's town you guys better lynch me today....

Alright, that may actually be possible with a wand, but I seriously doubt it. Overpowered is the word that comes to mind.

There is however another huge problem with this situation though. Voldemort's wand roleblocks? Pfff. Yeah right. I really can't see Freezie giving voldemort. The most evil villain in the story gets a roleblocking wand? Yeah, sure thing... right - keep the jokes coming Kwan.

About the wand thing, yup it role-blocks (with a delay) and takes away the vote for a day. (Cruciatus spell)

[Syzygy]

Can you clarify this 'delay'?

[mandalorian2298]

Can you clarify this 'delay'?

You use it on Night 1 and action is blocked on Night 2.

[Syzygy]

Can you clarify this 'delay'?

You use it on Night 1 and action is blocked on Night 2.

Ah, but he said my actions would be blocked tonight.

There is the inconsistency.

[freezie]

unvote vote kwanton Freezie's comments and the fact he sounds pissed off implies kwanton is not a jester. I also doubt freezie to be the kind of mod to put a jester in so I feel this is a safe bet. If kwanton is hermoine, syzygy's fate is already sealed.

I hate to do this, but I have to interfere again.

My reason to having a doubt about kwanton ways of playing was he intentionally ( and stupidly ) posted the same things 4 times in a row..Adding a single thing everytimes.

Also for many posts after posts after posts.

This had NOTHING to do about what he claimed. I would NEVER interefere with anyone for a role they claim, as it is perfectly in the spirit of the game to claim.

The only way I hold a stop sign in front of him was my very doubt about his sanity at the time of those spam posts. Nothing more.

I didn't even see fircoal go that much spammy, tells something.


Vote count coming.

[mandalorian2298]

Can you clarify this 'delay'?

You use it on Night 1 and action is blocked on Night 2.

Ah, but he said my actions would be blocked tonight.

There is the inconsistency.

No, that's bluffing.

[freezie]

Vote count from the Minister for Magic ( Corrected by me, since we can't trust politicians ) :

Kalish (2) Serbia, Kwanton
Talapus (4) LSU, ga7, Kalish, Talapus
Kwanton (2) Syzygy, Nag
Syzygy (1) Sierra_leon

[Syzygy]

Can you clarify this 'delay'?

You use it on Night 1 and action is blocked on Night 2.

Ah, but he said my actions would be blocked tonight.

There is the inconsistency.

No, that's bluffing.

No, it's outright lying and is scummy.