gay - is it ok?

[satanspaladin]

I'm not sure what Simonov meant when he said, "is it ok", but I do think that homosexuality is a choice and that it is an abnormal behavior.

Who would choose to be gay in such a hostile environment?

A masochist?

[Jamie]

If homosexuals can't reproduce, why are there so many of them?

[Iliad]

If homosexuals can't reproduce, why are there so many of them?

...... ..... So you're a complete retard?

[freezie]

If homosexuals can't reproduce, why are there so many of them?

They have all it takes to reproduce, they just aren't attracted to the right persons in order to do it..

[Jamie]

If homosexuals can't reproduce, why are there so many of them?

...... ..... So you're a complete retard?

Perhaps, but since you seem to not recognize obvious sarcasm, may be I'm not the one who is retarded.

[Iliad]

If homosexuals can't reproduce, why are there so many of them?

...... ..... So you're a complete retard?

Perhaps, but since you seem to not recognize obvious sarcasm, may be I'm not the one who is retarded.

I saw your pathetic attempt to be funny. You're still a retard.

[unriggable]

If homosexuals can't reproduce, why are there so many of them?

...... ..... So you're a complete retard?

Perhaps, but since you seem to not recognize obvious sarcasm, may be I'm not the one who is retarded.

I saw your pathetic attempt to be funny. You're still a retard.

I agree.

[Snorri1234]

Christians wont want to convince other people not to sin, that's silly, we want to convince people to follow Christ the rest follows, when i get time I'll post an article from my uni magazine, written by a guy who used to be gay, till he became a Christian, and then he chose to change his lifestyle. I mean that if a Christian was telling sinners to stop sinning, which no one here was doing, they wouldn't be doing what they should be doing.

So can we stop the anti-abortion protests at the womens clinics then?

haha, you have a knack for finding the grey areas don't you,
well i don't think so, because they really believe that to abort a baby is to kill it, and i would want them to act out of love for the child to try and stop the abortions from happening. In this case the protest isn't so much about stopping sin, as trying to save someone, whether you agree with them or not, you should be able to see, that if someone believed abortion was murder, then they would try and do something about it.

Yes I see their point, but I don't agree with it. I also think they shouldn't try and stop people from having abortions. Because there is no valid medical reason to assume a foetus is a human being.

Also, it's not "abort a baby" but "abort a foetus, or most of the time a clump of cells".

[Jehan]

where does the burden of proof lie in this case? on those trying to say abortion is murder? or on those saying it isn't, honest question because both sides make a serious claim.

[Snorri1234]

where does the burden of proof lie in this case? on those trying to say abortion is murder? or on those saying it isn't, honest question because both sides make a serious claim.

The moment you can prove to me the existence of a soul, and proof that it is present in a foetus at conception, I'll accept that it's probably murder.

At the moment you have an abortion, the foetus isn't even capable of conscious thought. It's like cutting away a clump of cells from your body. Like a cancer. There is no valid scientifical argument against abortion.

[Guiscard]

where does the burden of proof lie in this case? on those trying to say abortion is murder? or on those saying it isn't, honest question because both sides make a serious claim.

I think that the burden of proof probably falls on the anti-abortionists to prove proper consciousness, feeling pain etc. etc.

[jay_a2j]

where does the burden of proof lie in this case? on those trying to say abortion is murder? or on those saying it isn't, honest question because both sides make a serious claim.

The moment you can prove to me the existence of a soul, and proof that it is present in a foetus at conception, I'll accept that it's probably murder.

At the moment you have an abortion, the foetus isn't even capable of conscious thought. It's like cutting away a clump of cells from your body. Like a cancer. There is no valid scientifical argument against abortion.

Ok, this thread isn't about abortion but since its being discussed lets at least be accurate. As evidenced in the movie Silent Scream, while an abortion is being preformed the fetus moves AWAY from the abortion devise as it approaches. Very conscious that it is in danger. If you watched the talk show Donahue (in the 80's) there was an episode where a man with no arms (a failed abortion attempt) was on the show with the most hate I have ever seen for one's own mother. I like how we call the child a "clump of cells" so as not to feel guilty of terminating its life.

[Guiscard]

where does the burden of proof lie in this case? on those trying to say abortion is murder? or on those saying it isn't, honest question because both sides make a serious claim.

The moment you can prove to me the existence of a soul, and proof that it is present in a foetus at conception, I'll accept that it's probably murder.

At the moment you have an abortion, the foetus isn't even capable of conscious thought. It's like cutting away a clump of cells from your body. Like a cancer. There is no valid scientifical argument against abortion.

Ok, this thread isn't about abortion but since its being discussed lets at least be accurate. As evidenced in the movie Silent Scream, while an abortion is being preformed the fetus moves AWAY from the abortion devise as it approaches. Very conscious that it is in danger. If you watched the talk show Donahue (in the 80's) there was an episode where a man with no arms (a failed abortion attempt) was on the show with the most hate I have ever seen for one's own mother. I like how we call the child a "clump of cells" so as not to feel guilty of terminating its life.

Jay. That is scientifically bollocks. Simply moving away from something is an unconscious reaction. A sunflower moves towards the sun... is it, then, a conscious being with a soul? An amoeba will react and move when touched... is that a person too? At 12 weeks a fetus categorically cannot feel pain. It has no grey matter. No cerebal cortex. It cannot feel pain. This capacity only develops between after week 20 (sometimes a long time after that)...

As far as I'm concerned its just a cell...Silent Scream was pretty much debunked as rubbish years ago. I'm surprised you still cling onto it.

As for the guy who was a failed abortion attempt, that may make an argument for bringing the cutoff point back slightly but it has nothing to do with the fundamentals of abortion at, for example, 12 weeks (the time in the silent scream film I believe).

And as for referring to a clump of cells rather than a child, thats because it IS a clump of cells. It cannot exist outside of the body, cannot breathe, cannot think, does not fell pain, takes everything from the mother... it is essentially part of the mother herself, no different to a liver or a lung.

[Neoteny]

Most vertebrate physiology classes go through a frog reflex test where certain parts of the brain are removed in order to see what is needed in order to hop, swim, move away from a stimulus, etc. The fact of the matter is, if you stab a brainless frog, it still tries to get away (spinal cord reflex). Given, there is a big difference between a human and a frog, but the mechanics are the same. If you poke someone that has a spinal cord, they will withdraw, regardless of brain activity or lack thereof (maybe we should try this experiment on some forum contributers?).

Abortion is an ethical question, not a scientific one. Silent Scream was a pitiful example of appeals to the heart to advance a false ideology.

Calling something a child is no different than calling it a clump of cells. It is what it is; call it what you want. But, it can't feel pain, and it sure as hell doesn't know what a vacuum is. It might react to a stimulus, but it is not a conscious reaction.

[MeDeFe]

Well, from what some poster "contribute" it seems to me that removing the brain wouldn't change that much.



Important Note: And no I'm not telling any names, if you think I'm talking about you you should ask yourself why you think that.

[Natali]

Here comes an excellent example of Christian values put in practice:
I know a man who has got two children. He is a big believer, a Christian. Both of his children are baptized. And now comes the tender pray. His wife, mother of his children committed suicide in front of the children. Not long after that he found another woman (she was a drug addict and an alcoholic like him), there is a gossip that she "threw" herself from the building. And here he comes again with his second girlfriend (also an alcoholic and drug addict). This one didn't commit suicide but she decided to give birth to his third child. His first two children are taken care of by their grandparents. Their father is not taking care of them at all. To add more irony to the story I must point out that they all live in the same building. Now please answer me to this tender pray, wouldn't you like to be that baby and live in that family?

[hecter]

Here comes an excellent example of Christian values put in practice:
I know a man who has got two children. He is a big believer, a Christian. Both of his children are baptized. And now comes the tender pray. His wife, mother of his children committed suicide in front of the children. Not long after that he found another woman (she was a drug addict and an alcoholic like him), there is a gossip that she "threw" herself from the building. And here he comes again with his second girlfriend (also an alcoholic and drug addict). This one didn't commit suicide but she decided to give birth to his third child. His first two children are taken care of by their grandparents. Their father is not taking care of them at all. To add more irony to the story I must point out that they all live in the same building. Now please answer me to this tender pray, wouldn't you like to be that baby and live in that family?

Much better than living with a man that is great with children (he writes for children TV shows) and doesn't drink, is very intelligent, has a stable income, and has a banker for a boyfriend. Yes... Much better indeed...

For those that don't know me, I'm being extremely sarcastic.

[Syzygy]

Here comes an excellent example of Christian values put in practice:
I know a man who has got two children. He is a big believer, a Christian. Both of his children are baptized. And now comes the tender pray. His wife, mother of his children committed suicide in front of the children. Not long after that he found another woman (she was a drug addict and an alcoholic like him), there is a gossip that she "threw" herself from the building. And here he comes again with his second girlfriend (also an alcoholic and drug addict). This one didn't commit suicide but she decided to give birth to his third child. His first two children are taken care of by their grandparents. Their father is not taking care of them at all. To add more irony to the story I must point out that they all live in the same building. Now please answer me to this tender pray, wouldn't you like to be that baby and live in that family?

And that has something to do with gayness, how?

[unriggable]

Here comes an excellent example of Christian values put in practice:
I know a man who has got two children. He is a big believer, a Christian. Both of his children are baptized. And now comes the tender pray. His wife, mother of his children committed suicide in front of the children. Not long after that he found another woman (she was a drug addict and an alcoholic like him), there is a gossip that she "threw" herself from the building. And here he comes again with his second girlfriend (also an alcoholic and drug addict). This one didn't commit suicide but she decided to give birth to his third child. His first two children are taken care of by their grandparents. Their father is not taking care of them at all. To add more irony to the story I must point out that they all live in the same building. Now please answer me to this tender pray, wouldn't you like to be that baby and live in that family?

And that has something to do with gayness, how?

The #1 reason for homophobia is Xianity and these are how ethical the Xians are.

[Syzygy]

Here comes an excellent example of Christian values put in practice:
I know a man who has got two children. He is a big believer, a Christian. Both of his children are baptized. And now comes the tender pray. His wife, mother of his children committed suicide in front of the children. Not long after that he found another woman (she was a drug addict and an alcoholic like him), there is a gossip that she "threw" herself from the building. And here he comes again with his second girlfriend (also an alcoholic and drug addict). This one didn't commit suicide but she decided to give birth to his third child. His first two children are taken care of by their grandparents. Their father is not taking care of them at all. To add more irony to the story I must point out that they all live in the same building. Now please answer me to this tender pray, wouldn't you like to be that baby and live in that family?

And that has something to do with gayness, how?

The #1 reason for homophobia is Xianity and these are how ethical the Xians are.

Yeah, I know that a lot of homophobia comes from "Good Christian Morals."

I fail to see how that post from Natali proves anything related to gayness or even Christianity changing lives for that matter.

[unriggable]

Here comes an excellent example of Christian values put in practice:
I know a man who has got two children. He is a big believer, a Christian. Both of his children are baptized. And now comes the tender pray. His wife, mother of his children committed suicide in front of the children. Not long after that he found another woman (she was a drug addict and an alcoholic like him), there is a gossip that she "threw" herself from the building. And here he comes again with his second girlfriend (also an alcoholic and drug addict). This one didn't commit suicide but she decided to give birth to his third child. His first two children are taken care of by their grandparents. Their father is not taking care of them at all. To add more irony to the story I must point out that they all live in the same building. Now please answer me to this tender pray, wouldn't you like to be that baby and live in that family?

And that has something to do with gayness, how?

The #1 reason for homophobia is Xianity and these are how ethical the Xians are.

Yeah, I know that a lot of homophobia comes from "Good Christian Morals."

I fail to see how that post from Natali proves anything related to gayness or even Christianity changing lives for that matter.

Well the political term used for homophobia is family values. Now re-read the story.

[Syzygy]

Here comes an excellent example of Christian values put in practice:
I know a man who has got two children. He is a big believer, a Christian. Both of his children are baptized. And now comes the tender pray. His wife, mother of his children committed suicide in front of the children. Not long after that he found another woman (she was a drug addict and an alcoholic like him), there is a gossip that she "threw" herself from the building. And here he comes again with his second girlfriend (also an alcoholic and drug addict). This one didn't commit suicide but she decided to give birth to his third child. His first two children are taken care of by their grandparents. Their father is not taking care of them at all. To add more irony to the story I must point out that they all live in the same building. Now please answer me to this tender pray, wouldn't you like to be that baby and live in that family?

And that has something to do with gayness, how?

The #1 reason for homophobia is Xianity and these are how ethical the Xians are.

Yeah, I know that a lot of homophobia comes from "Good Christian Morals."

I fail to see how that post from Natali proves anything related to gayness or even Christianity changing lives for that matter.

Well the political term used for homophobia is family values. Now re-read the story.

It talks about suicide, drugs, sex and alcohol and the poor abandoned baby...

But nothing about gayness.

[hecter]

Here comes an excellent example of Christian values put in practice:
I know a man who has got two children. He is a big believer, a Christian. Both of his children are baptized. And now comes the tender pray. His wife, mother of his children committed suicide in front of the children. Not long after that he found another woman (she was a drug addict and an alcoholic like him), there is a gossip that she "threw" herself from the building. And here he comes again with his second girlfriend (also an alcoholic and drug addict). This one didn't commit suicide but she decided to give birth to his third child. His first two children are taken care of by their grandparents. Their father is not taking care of them at all. To add more irony to the story I must point out that they all live in the same building. Now please answer me to this tender pray, wouldn't you like to be that baby and live in that family?

And that has something to do with gayness, how?

The #1 reason for homophobia is Xianity and these are how ethical the Xians are.

Yeah, I know that a lot of homophobia comes from "Good Christian Morals."

I fail to see how that post from Natali proves anything related to gayness or even Christianity changing lives for that matter.

Well the political term used for homophobia is family values. Now re-read the story.

It talks about suicide, drugs, sex and alcohol and the poor abandoned baby...

But nothing about gayness.

See it now? How it talks about Christian family values?

[Syzygy]

Who cares whether the kiddies are baptized or not?

[hecter]

Who cares whether the kiddies are baptized or not?

You are beyond salvation...