Wandlore Battles Kalish out. Hogwart wins!

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:40 pm

List of wand possessions:

Fircoal:
Start - ?
Night 1 - ?
Night 2 - Stole ShieldMaker from ga7
Night 3 - Roleblocked by Crucio wand (by Mandy night 2)

Mandy:
Start - no wand (?)
Night 1 - Stole Crucio wand (?)
Night 2 - Used Crucio wand on fircoal, got his Crucio wand stolen by kwanton
Night 3 - Stole Crucio wand from fircoal

ga7:
Start - ShieldMaker
Night 1 - Used ShieldMaker on Nagerous
Night 2 - Got his ShieldMaker stolen by fircoal, somehow got Elder wand (vig) that cannot be stolen
Night 3 - Used Elder wand on kwanton (?)

Serbia:
Start - ?
Night 1 - ?
Night 2 - Got wand stolen
Night 3 - [blank]

Syzygy:
Start - Spy wand (tracking)
Night 1 - Got Spy wand stolen by Nagerous
Night 2 - ?
Night 3 - [blank]

Nagerous:
Start - no wand
Night 1 - Stole broken Spy wand (tracking) from Syzygy
Night 2 - Got broken Spy wand stolen
Night 3 - [blank]

LSU:
Start - no wand
Night 1 - Stole wand-breaking wand from jnd
Night 2 - Used wand-breaking wand on kalish
Night 3 - [blank]

Kalish:
Start - ? (claims to have had a wand since the get-go)
Night 1 - Used wand (?)
Night 2 - Used wand (?), got wand broken by LSU
Night 3 - nothing (?)

Dustn:
Start - ?
Night 1 - ?
Night 2 - ?
Night 3 - [blank]

The1exile:
Start - ?
Night 1 - ?
Night 2 - ?
Night 3 - [blank]

Sierra_Leon:
Start - no wand
Night 1 - failed in stealing a wand
Night 2 - failed in stealing a wand
Night 3 - [blank]

(alive)
=======================================
(dead)

PCM:
Start - ?
lynched day 1

jnd:
Start - ?
Night 1 - Broke Syzygy's wand. Tried to kill Nagerous, but failed and died

Neutrino:
Start - ?
Night 1 - ?
lynched day 2

Spurg:
Start - ?
Night 1 - ?
Night 2 - Died

Talapus:
Start - ?
Night 1 - ?
Night 2 - ?
lynched day 3

kwanton:
Start - ?
Night 1 - ? (something to do with the jnd-death, as Luna was mentioned?)
Night 2 - Stole Crucio wand from Mandy
Night 3 - Used Crucio wand on Kalish, died

Koesen:
Start - ?
Night 1 - ?
Night 2 - ?
Night 3 - Died

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:55 pm

I would like everyone to check if the info I posted above is correct. I might have skimmed a bit here and there when I thought nothing of substance was posted.

Next, I would like everyone to add their wand-history to this chart. It might help us catching somebody in a lie. It's probably best though to leave night 3 blank though, so scum won't know where the powerful wands are.

After typing up this overview and reading some old posts, I think both Mandy and fircoal are telling the truth. Kwanton had Voldy's wand the night he died. What happens to a wand when the owner dies? It can't disappear, can it? Otherwise the game would become seriously unbalanced when important wands start disappearing from the game. So it would make sense it is given to a random person without a wand. It seems possible that Mandy got kwanton's wand when he died, and because he was given this wand his night-action to steal fircoal's wand was cancelled.
Why I also believe they are town is: before Neutrino died, he went after both Mandy and fircoal, trying to shift accusations away from him.

The things that confuses me most in the overview is 1) jnd apparently able to use his wand (wand-breaking wand) and night-kill (or at least try) at the same time, 2) ga7 receiving the Elder wand (did somebody give it to me or did spurg have it?) and 3) LSU breaking kalish's wand, but kalish not mentioning this.
I'm going to FOS kalish once again.
- He was already prime suspect before the whole mandy/fircoal argument broke loose and has done nothing to make me trust him more.
- I can't picture a phoenix holding a wand, yet he claims to have had a wand since the beginning.
- LSU claims to have broken it night 2, but kalish never mentioned anything about it. Maybe LSU failed because kalish never really had a wand? LSU, did you get any kind of confirmation about breaking the wand?

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:02 pm

Pff, I'll fess up. I stole kalish's wand last night. He had Harry Potter's wand.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:19 pm

I started with no wand, and did nothing Night 1, I didn't know.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:26 pm

I forgot to mention the wand isn't broken. When syzygy's wand was broken I was told. Kalish's one seems fine.

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:06 pm

My wand is and was the Spy Wand.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:12 pm

Nice, thanks for the hard work SL.
I confirm that I of course killed Kwan last night.
You know, that theory that people get randomly wands of dead people makes sense to me. That would explain both my getting of the vig wand and Fir/Mandy things.

dustn64 · Post by **dustn64** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:41 pm

Syzygy wrote:My wand is and was the Spy Wand.

I jacked your wand last night.

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:56 pm

dustn64 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:My wand is and was the Spy Wand.
I jacked your wand last night.

Oh ya, duh. Why? (I remember saying it was broken.)

dustn64 · Post by **dustn64** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:01 pm

Syzygy wrote:
dustn64 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:My wand is and was the Spy Wand.
I jacked your wand last night.
Oh ya, duh. Why? (I remember saying it was broken.)

with the confusion between you and kwanton I thought it best you didn't have a wand, just in case. And I really wanted a wand to be honest...

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:01 pm

I think the wand business ultimately doesn't look like it's gonna lead us anywhere. Although it'd be nice to hear the full info from people that didn't leave out clues. We're not at a point where we should care if we have a wand stolen or not I think...
I'll leave my vote on Freddychu anyway, as besides the wand business I still think he's scum

LSU Tiger Josh · Post by **LSU Tiger Josh** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:07 pm

I did not receive confirmation if the break was successsful or not. For the record last night I did NOT break a wand.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:09 pm

1.Talapus = George Weasly
2.GT(Sierra Leon) = Hadgrid

4.fircoal = Parvati Patil
5.Mandy = Ron Weasly

7.The1exile = Fred Weasly
8.Koesen = Padma Patil
9.LSU tiger Josh = Olivander
10.Nagerous = Harry Potter
11.Kwanton = Hermione Granger
12.ga7 = Neville Longbottom

14.Kalishnikov = Fawkes
15.Trestain/Dustn64 = Dumbledore

17.Serbia = Nearly-Headless Nick
18.Syzygy = Hermione Granger

Unvote

I am more inclined to believe that Freezie used some warped logic then to believe that Fircoal is scum (Now that I have re-red and can offer a decent theory.

)

Two bolded players have anomalous roles, so one of them is probably scum. SFOS Serbia and Kalish

If Kalish is Scum and the game doesn't end after his death, I suggest going after dustn (since Kalish's role is the only thing in the game that points toward Dumbeldore's existance.)

Further down on my of list of supects is LSU. The name of his role makes sense, UNLESS he got kidnaped by Voldemort (as Olivander has been in Harry Potter canon) and subsequently brainwashed (a possible add-on by Freezie).

However, all this means squat if I am Scum. The fact that Koesen stayed pro-town, makes it more probable that my role has mutated and that I am now Darth Weasly.

This being so, this is my proposed plan of action:

1. Today we lynch me. It may be a waste, but at this point you measuring my every word against the possibility that I'm Scum would cause more damage (to my nerves as well as your judgement

).

2. Once that I'm dead, don't allow Kalish and Serbia to talk their way out of this. Furthermore, if someone comes out with an alternative and persuades you to lynch someone before those two are dead and that person proves innocent, put the guy who came up with that idea next in line for the lynch (cause Scum would want to stall as much as is possible).

3. Tonight, Vig Kalish. Tommorow lynch Serbia. This way, if Kalish is scum, Serbia doeasn't lose his victory. If Serbia is Scum, Kalish loses nothing by being lynched, 'cause Town still wins.

Good luck Town. Vote Mandalorian.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:35 pm

Meh, I understand where you're coming from and of course there's the possibility of a wifom but personally I'd rather kill you in 2 nights after we've taken care of more likely targets.

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:22 pm

I have yet to play in a game with Mandy where he doesn't propose lynching himself... It doesn't say squat about whether he's town or scum though. I'll think about it a little more, but I might be ok with a mandy-lynch today. 3 scum or already dead, so end-game should not be in sight for a while.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:32 pm

Sierra_Leon wrote:I have yet to play in a game with Mandy where he doesn't propose lynching himself... It doesn't say squat about whether he's town or scum though.

If only there was a way to see if I am Scum....like if we did something to me which would make Freezie post my Role....

THIS IS EXACTLY THE SORT OF THINGS THAT I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS!

Vote mandalorian

SFOS KALISH and SERBIA

I have nothing more to say. Peace.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:40 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:[
If only there was a way to see if I am Scum....like if we did something to me which would make Freezie post my Role....

Go ahead and try..I am mentally, physically and brutaly ready for a modkill..

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:42 pm

Well here's an idea Mandy - rather than have us vote you, you could incite a modkill if you're so intent on making us believe you!

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:42 pm

Syzygy wrote:Well here's an idea Mandy - rather than have us vote you, you could incite a modkill if you're so intent on making us believe you!

EBWOP.

That way we also gain an extra lynch AND verify your theory.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:14 pm

freezie wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:[
If only there was a way to see if I am Scum....like if we did something to me which would make Freezie post my Role....

Go ahead and try..I am mentally, physically and brutaly ready for a modkill..

I was talking about lynch, Jedi Master Yogi.

Syzygy wrote:Well here's an idea Mandy - rather than have us vote you, you could incite a modkill if you're so intent on making us believe you!

The point of this exercise is not to help you guys to win. That is just a side-effect. The point is for me to win.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:14 pm

Syzygy wrote:Well here's an idea Mandy - rather than have us vote you, you could incite a modkill if you're so intent on making us believe you!

Are you sure you're not understimating your God in face of the champion of your Kingdom: Mandy?

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:25 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:Well here's an idea Mandy - rather than have us vote you, you could incite a modkill if you're so intent on making us believe you!
The point of this exercise is not to help you guys to win. That is just a side-effect. The point is for me to win.

Oh, that doesn't sounds scummy at all.

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:27 pm

freezie wrote:
Syzygy wrote:Well here's an idea Mandy - rather than have us vote you, you could incite a modkill if you're so intent on making us believe you!

Are you sure you're not understimating your God in face of the champion of your Kingdom: Mandy?

Erm... Alright don't! That sounds like quite the threat.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:27 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
freezie wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:[
If only there was a way to see if I am Scum....like if we did something to me which would make Freezie post my Role....

Go ahead and try..I am mentally, physically and brutaly ready for a modkill..
I was talking about lynch, Jedi Master Yogi.

oh well.

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:31 pm

Unvote, Vote: Mandy
Let's see how much water your words hold.