Communism

Arbustos · Post by **Arbustos** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:14 pm

Exactly... so what's with the examples?

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:16 pm

trying to prove a failing ideology with horrible examples

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:29 pm

Arbustos wrote:Exactly... so what's with the examples?

Not really many examples. China went in between somewhere. Cuba, that went down the drain fast. Vietnam? As soon as we left, millions were slaughtered. North Korea? Tighter then jar of pickles is what is, and with millions starving. USSR was going strong for awhile, but at a high price, and it fell into chaos with many of the places that were under it's control being reduced to 3rd world nations.

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:38 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Arbustos wrote:Exactly... so what's with the examples?
Not really many examples. China went in between somewhere. Cuba, that went down the drain fast. Vietnam? As soon as we left, millions were slaughtered. North Korea? Tighter then jar of pickles is what is, and with millions starving. USSR was going strong for awhile, but at a high price, and it fell into chaos with many of the places that were under it's control being reduced to 3rd world nations.

well off topic but needed to understand this thread. American democracies, allies= 1st world USSR,communists, allies= 2nd world

anyone else 3rd world

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:43 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Arbustos wrote:Exactly... so what's with the examples?
Not really many examples. China went in between somewhere. Cuba, that went down the drain fast. Vietnam? As soon as we left, millions were slaughtered. North Korea? Tighter then jar of pickles is what is, and with millions starving. USSR was going strong for awhile, but at a high price, and it fell into chaos with many of the places that were under it's control being reduced to 3rd world nations.

yea the u.s.s.r. fell, mostly in part to america pumping its capatilist money into the country which then made the greed come out in people and so they left, if you dont introduce any capitilist ideals people beleive in the nation rahter than themselves, but no. We live in a nation where you do all the work and someone else gets all the profit while you get a shitty salary unless of course you kiss enough ass to get to the high positions where you can then sit on your ass and make all the money sound good to everyone?

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:47 pm

Bigfalcon65 wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Arbustos wrote:Exactly... so what's with the examples?
Not really many examples. China went in between somewhere. Cuba, that went down the drain fast. Vietnam? As soon as we left, millions were slaughtered. North Korea? Tighter then jar of pickles is what is, and with millions starving. USSR was going strong for awhile, but at a high price, and it fell into chaos with many of the places that were under it's control being reduced to 3rd world nations.
yea the u.s.s.r. fell, mostly in part to america pumping its capatilist money into the country which then made the greed come out in people and so they left, if you dont introduce any capitilist ideals people beleive in the nation rahter than themselves, but no. We live in a nation where you do all the work and someone else gets all the profit while you get a shitty salary unless of course you kiss enough ass to get to the high positions where you can then sit on your ass and make all the money sound good to everyone?

the USSR fell for the same reason as the Tsars did. the brutally repressed the peasents exploitd them enough to put the "capitlist oppressors to shame". besides a society where everyone is equal regardless of personal ability cant last. profit drives people to better themselves and thier children. in a society where you have to wait in huge lines for toothpaste, bread or winter coats while shiny new tanks drive by youc ant expect the people to sit idly by for very long

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:47 pm

You miss the point of it. Almost completely.

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:48 pm

Tyr wrote:
Bigfalcon65 wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Arbustos wrote:Exactly... so what's with the examples?
Not really many examples. China went in between somewhere. Cuba, that went down the drain fast. Vietnam? As soon as we left, millions were slaughtered. North Korea? Tighter then jar of pickles is what is, and with millions starving. USSR was going strong for awhile, but at a high price, and it fell into chaos with many of the places that were under it's control being reduced to 3rd world nations.
yea the u.s.s.r. fell, mostly in part to america pumping its capatilist money into the country which then made the greed come out in people and so they left, if you dont introduce any capitilist ideals people beleive in the nation rahter than themselves, but no. We live in a nation where you do all the work and someone else gets all the profit while you get a shitty salary unless of course you kiss enough ass to get to the high positions where you can then sit on your ass and make all the money sound good to everyone?
the USSR fell for the same reason as the Tsars did. the brutally repressed the peasents exploitd them enough to put the "capitlist oppressors to shame". besides a society where everyone is equal regardless of personal ability cant last. profit drives people to better themselves and thier children. in a society where you have to wait in huge lines for toothpaste, bread or winter coats while shiny new tanks drive by youc ant expect the people to sit idly by for very long

well in a true communist country there wouldnt be a build up that was all part of the cold war and forceful take overs of the country

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:49 pm

of communism having a fundemetal flaw in it? or the self rightous "communists" touting the ideals of the same flawed system.

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:49 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:You miss the point of it. Almost completely.

you dont understand that point, at all

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:50 pm

ok inform me whats the point?

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:51 pm

Bigfalcon65 wrote:
Tyr wrote:
Bigfalcon65 wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Arbustos wrote:Exactly... so what's with the examples?
Not really many examples. China went in between somewhere. Cuba, that went down the drain fast. Vietnam? As soon as we left, millions were slaughtered. North Korea? Tighter then jar of pickles is what is, and with millions starving. USSR was going strong for awhile, but at a high price, and it fell into chaos with many of the places that were under it's control being reduced to 3rd world nations.
yea the u.s.s.r. fell, mostly in part to america pumping its capatilist money into the country which then made the greed come out in people and so they left, if you dont introduce any capitilist ideals people beleive in the nation rahter than themselves, but no. We live in a nation where you do all the work and someone else gets all the profit while you get a shitty salary unless of course you kiss enough ass to get to the high positions where you can then sit on your ass and make all the money sound good to everyone?
the USSR fell for the same reason as the Tsars did. the brutally repressed the peasents exploitd them enough to put the "capitlist oppressors to shame". besides a society where everyone is equal regardless of personal ability cant last. profit drives people to better themselves and thier children. in a society where you have to wait in huge lines for toothpaste, bread or winter coats while shiny new tanks drive by youc ant expect the people to sit idly by for very long
well in a true communist country there wouldnt be a build up that was all part of the cold war and forceful take overs of the country

And how else was/is your Communism supposed to spread?

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:52 pm

not by peaceful coups because no one cauld ever willfully live under a totalitarin system such as communism

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:52 pm

Tyr wrote:ok inform me whats the point?

well the original point was, are you for communism or against it
which would then make alot of your posts irrelevant to the question because it was a yes or no question.

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:53 pm

your changing the subject. you cant make apost like this and not ecpect a debate you should have been ready

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:57 pm

Tyr wrote:your changing the subject. you cant make apost like this and not ecpect a debate you should have been ready

i knew there would be a debate, i was looking forward to it. There are you people who dont think it would work and there are people like me who think it would work its that simple.

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:59 pm

in a utopian society it would work but ina utopia we wouldnt need a government would we?

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:01 pm

Tyr wrote:in a utopian society it would work but ina utopia we wouldnt need a government would we?

well when we get one i guess that answer will be given.

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:01 pm

your a great debater dude

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:02 pm

Tyr wrote:your a great debater dude

woah your a faggot dude

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:04 pm

wow guess commuism cant be that good if you cant preach its qualities huh?

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:05 pm

Tyr wrote:wow guess commuism cant be that good if you cant preach its qualities huh?

how long have you been a member of conquer club?

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:06 pm

couple months huh, it shows badly

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:07 pm

why should that matter when were talking about communism? run out of propaganda so your go to useless information to get your point across. oh wait i forgot i dont get the point

Bigfalcon65 · Post by **Bigfalcon65** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:09 pm

Tyr wrote:why should that matter when were talking about communism? run out of propaganda so your go to useless information to get your point across. oh wait i forgot i dont get the point

maybe you should do some research, and by that i mean research some of the plyers you are debating.