Evolution vs Creation-Comparing each View

[Snorri1234]

And why is that?

[Bavarian Raven]

No, I only refer to this with the scientific sense, I still believe fully in God, I may not have seen him, but I've seen and read things of him that I fully believe.

so if none of your five senses tell u its real...and u still believe? that goes against the very nature of survival itself... u have eyes to see...u have s nose to smell... u have senses to tell you what is real and not real...

though one sense can decieve you u have many so u can comprehend what is real and what is a trick...

[THORNHEART]

evolution cant be true ...it is impossible...I AM NOT RELATED TO A SICK HAIRY GROSS BUG EATING FLEA EATING DISGUSTING WRETCHED UGLY NASTY MONKEY!!!!!!!!!!


...end of story


now the real thing evolution is not possible because i have a moral consciousness...that cannot evolve. if evolution is true certian people would have had less or higher evolved moral consciences...why is this impossible? it would make certian people able to do things and not have guilt for them such as hilter killing jews...he could because his conscience had deeveloped higher than the rest of us or any onther murder in history...evolution leaves to many possiblities that even evolutionist wouldnt accept...no evolutionist would accept that i have the moral right to kill him cause i had evolved higher up on the scale...which is actual what would happen if evo was true...

[Carebian Knight]

No, I only refer to this with the scientific sense, I still believe fully in God, I may not have seen him, but I've seen and read things of him that I fully believe.

so if none of your five senses tell u its real...and u still believe? that goes against the very nature of survival itself... u have eyes to see...u have s nose to smell... u have senses to tell you what is real and not real...

though one sense can decieve you u have many so u can comprehend what is real and what is a trick...

Who came up with the 5 senses? Scientists, whether they were there already or not, scientists tell you whether it is a sense or not, they skipped an important one though, faith is a sense.

[Snorri1234]

now the real thing evolution is not possible because i have a moral consciousness...that cannot evolve. if evolution is true certian people would have had less or higher evolved moral consciences...why is this impossible? it would make certian people able to do things and not have guilt for them such as hilter killing jews...he could because his conscience had deeveloped higher than the rest of us or any onther murder in history...evolution leaves to many possiblities that even evolutionist wouldnt accept...no evolutionist would accept that i have the moral right to kill him cause i had evolved higher up on the scale...which is actual what would happen if evo was true...

This makes no sense whatsoever and only shows your ignorance of what evolution actually means.

[THORNHEART]

umm i know excatly what evolution means dude u think we magically appeared one day in the form of microscopes and we slowly got bigger and bigger...it just happened every circumstance was right for the rise of humans and now we live to day and discuscuss how we actually evolved and by which of the 9000 ways dinosaures died and we disregard the most easy and logical explination that is we were created.ever notice that creation has never changed its story but that evolution has changed thousands of times to suppport new and newer evidence...the truth doesnt change sorry but if evo was true it would have one provable explination but it doesnt making it a theroy (a false one) and it has no real proof its all speculation ...second i just felt like making a humuor point since im sure everything to be said about it vs creation has been said already a million times on this and other threads..second what i said makes perfect sense about consciences evolving higher than others

[Backglass]

Yep, believe all you see.

Holy shit how did he do that?

There can be only one answer:

David Copperfield is the Son of a God and has come to save us all.

If you can't see this, you obviously are in league with Satan.

[Snorri1234]

umm i know excatly what evolution means dude u think we magically appeared one day in the form of microscopes and we slowly got bigger and bigger...it just happened every circumstance was right for the rise of humans and now we live to day and discuscuss how we actually evolved and by which of the 9000 ways dinosaures died and we disregard the most easy and logical explination that is we were created.ever notice that creation has never changed its story but that evolution has changed thousands of times to suppport new and newer evidence...the truth doesnt change sorry but if evo was true it would have one provable explination but it doesnt making it a theroy (a false one) and it has no real proof its all speculation ...second i just felt like making a humuor point since im sure everything to be said about it vs creation has been said already a million times on this and other threads..second what i said makes perfect sense about consciences evolving higher than others

Wow, I figured there was a chance you just didn't explain yourself correctly, but now I see you're just an ignorant piece of poo.

But to humour you (and mostly me), here's a bunch of remarks on your post.

1. Surival of the fittest doesn't mean we're justified in killing off the weaker ones. It merely concludes from observation that usually the best adapted survive. So evolving "higher" than others does not mean killing them is okay.
2. Evolving "higher" is a flawed concept. Evolving means the better adapted survive. Therefore not getting some things could turn out to be better. There is no scale, evolution is an observation of what happens, not a moral guideline to what we must do.
3. Yes it just happened that the circumstances were right for us to evolve. If the circumstances were different, something else would've become the dominant species.
4. Everything in science is a theory. Gravity has not been proven either, it just has no evidence against it, like evolution.

[Frigidus]

umm i know excatly what evolution means dude u think we magically appeared one day in the form of microscopes and we slowly got bigger and bigger...it just happened every circumstance was right for the rise of humans and now we live to day and discuscuss how we actually evolved and by which of the 9000 ways dinosaures died and we disregard the most easy and logical explination that is we were created.ever notice that creation has never changed its story but that evolution has changed thousands of times to suppport new and newer evidence...the truth doesnt change sorry but if evo was true it would have one provable explination but it doesnt making it a theroy (a false one) and it has no real proof its all speculation ...second i just felt like making a humuor point since im sure everything to be said about it vs creation has been said already a million times on this and other threads..second what i said makes perfect sense about consciences evolving higher than others

The idea of an evolving conscience doesn't quite fit the bill as conscience is more a result of upbringing than ones nature After all, Hitler's ideas about the inferiority of the Jews were directly influenced by the occurences of WWI. Intelligence on the other hand is one the variances that could possibly lead to evolution. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that we don't give stupid people any more or less rights than smart ones. That said morality is not an argument against evolution. As you said earlier there is only one truth out there, and it doesn't change. Even if the truth was inherently evil it would still be true. The point you made off that end though is that since the church's official position on reality hasn't changed (much) over the last 2000 years that it's more reliable. But consider this: if science hadn't changed for that length of time we wouldn't understand gravity, we would feel that world is flat and at the center of the universe, we wouldn't have germ theory, etc. Science changes because it is the best approximation for reality at the time. Religion doesn't change because it has taken a stance that doesn't take reality into account (or at least claims that reality is what a certain deity makes it). I'm generalizing of course, but your argument is more stating previously mentioned facts and then jumping to the wrong conclusion.

[suggs]

Its not a case of "views". There is fact (evolution) vs fairy tale.
end of..

[Carebian Knight]

umm i know excatly what evolution means dude u think we magically appeared one day in the form of microscopes and we slowly got bigger and bigger...it just happened every circumstance was right for the rise of humans and now we live to day and discuscuss how we actually evolved and by which of the 9000 ways dinosaures died and we disregard the most easy and logical explination that is we were created.ever notice that creation has never changed its story but that evolution has changed thousands of times to suppport new and newer evidence...the truth doesnt change sorry but if evo was true it would have one provable explination but it doesnt making it a theroy (a false one) and it has no real proof its all speculation ...second i just felt like making a humuor point since im sure everything to be said about it vs creation has been said already a million times on this and other threads..second what i said makes perfect sense about consciences evolving higher than others

Wow, I figured there was a chance you just didn't explain yourself correctly, but now I see you're just an ignorant piece of poo.

But to humour you (and mostly me), here's a bunch of remarks on your post.

1. Surival of the fittest doesn't mean we're justified in killing off the weaker ones. It merely concludes from observation that usually the best adapted survive. So evolving "higher" than others does not mean killing them is okay.
2. Evolving "higher" is a flawed concept. Evolving means the better adapted survive. Therefore not getting some things could turn out to be better. There is no scale, evolution is an observation of what happens, not a moral guideline to what we must do.
3. Yes it just happened that the circumstances were right for us to evolve. If the circumstances were different, something else would've become the dominant species.
4. Everything in science is a theory. Gravity has not been proven either, it just has no evidence against it, like evolution.

You must not have read Widow's post, the main thing there is the probability post, no one has proved that wrong yet, why? because it's true. If the probability is true, then your whole theory falls apart.

[suggs]

Oh, i think the probability has to be thats theres a big, friendly giant in the sky, who decided to create all this, specially for us, but with some tests along the way.
Like auschwitz-isnt the world beautiful?
And fossils-hes a trickster god! Comedy gold from the big man with the big beard.

[Backglass]

hes a trickster god! Comedy gold from the big man with the big beard.

[Bavarian Raven]

Bavarian Raven wrote:
Quote:
No, I only refer to this with the scientific sense, I still believe fully in God, I may not have seen him, but I've seen and read things of him that I fully believe.


so if none of your five senses tell u its real...and u still believe? that goes against the very nature of survival itself... u have eyes to see...u have s nose to smell... u have senses to tell you what is real and not real...

though one sense can decieve you u have many so u can comprehend what is real and what is a trick...

Who came up with the 5 senses? Scientists, whether they were there already or not, scientists tell you whether it is a sense or not, they skipped an important one though, faith is a sense.

is faith a sense??? I can smell a rose...i can see the rose...i can touch the rose...i can even taste it (yuck)...but if i don't see the rose i am holding i should have blind faith it is still there...???

touch, sense, taste, hearing, sight...we didn't need scientists to tell us we have these...we have always known...it has nothing to do with faith...[/quote]

[got tonkaed]

admittedly moral concience is a bit of a social construct, which does necessarily evolve but it does change over time.

To grossely oversimply things....

Throughout recent history some social things have changed

A few hundred years ago, there was nothing at all wrong with owning the rights to another person.

A hundred years ago, there was nothing wrong at all with not taking the time to wonder if your industry was endangering the environment or perhaps even women or children.

A few decades ago, there was nothing at all wrong with thinking that women had no place at all in the workforce.

A few decades ago there was nothing wrong with being unworried about safe sex, because at the time people figured the worst thing that could happen was pregnancy.

Opinions about social behavior change over time, even if they dont for an individual person. However these changes affect all of us in some way, even if its less or more at different times. Its quite likely that if i had been born in a different time period, even in the recent history, id have a very different idea of morality. Morals dont play much into the evolutionary debate, unless your arguing that morality has an evolutionary function, which in all likelyhood it does. Your not going to pass on your genes (in all likelyhood) if all the suitable partners dislike you because they think you are bad.

[Bavarian Raven]

Like auschwitz-isnt the world beautiful?

if He is all powerful, why did he let things like this happen? when He could have easily stopped it with a bullet flying in a slightly different direction during the 1st world war... a simple gust of wind...

critics will say it was a test. But what type of parent wants 6 million of their kids to be executed??? or why didn't he stop the even worse killings that occured in Russia and China??? doesn't seem all powerful to me...

[Chris7He]

I believe in a fallible God.

[suggs]

I believe in a fallible God.

Well, that is consistent-but hes a bit too fallible, dont you think.
And really, if he is fallible, in waht real sense is he a God?

[unriggable]

You must not have read Widow's post, the main thing there is the probability post, no one has proved that wrong yet, why? because it's true. If the probability is true, then your whole theory falls apart.

Well he doesn't look at the fact that some elements are naturally inclined to attach to each other than others - much more probable. So probable that amino acids, the base of life, is actually on comets which never touched earth.

[Bavarian Raven]

So probable that amino acids, the base of life, is actually on comets which never touched earth.

for all we know there could be millions of planets with life on them out there...and if we do discover life on another planet wouldn't religion go "down the drain" so to speak...

[unriggable]

So probable that amino acids, the base of life, is actually on comets which never touched earth.

for all we know there could be millions of planets with life on them out there...and if we do discover life on another planet wouldn't religion go "down the drain" so to speak...

Not if we send missionaries to convert the fuckers.

[got tonkaed]

So probable that amino acids, the base of life, is actually on comets which never touched earth.

for all we know there could be millions of planets with life on them out there...and if we do discover life on another planet wouldn't religion go "down the drain" so to speak...

Not if we send missionaries to convert the fuckers.

ill admit it, i had a chuckle.

[unriggable]

So probable that amino acids, the base of life, is actually on comets which never touched earth.

for all we know there could be millions of planets with life on them out there...and if we do discover life on another planet wouldn't religion go "down the drain" so to speak...

Not if we send missionaries to convert the fuckers.

ill admit it, i had a chuckle.

Then you'll be somewhat disappointed at what cause concerned mothers donated their money to when they heard that bat-people live on the moon.

[Carebian Knight]

Bavarian Raven wrote:
Quote:
No, I only refer to this with the scientific sense, I still believe fully in God, I may not have seen him, but I've seen and read things of him that I fully believe.


so if none of your five senses tell u its real...and u still believe? that goes against the very nature of survival itself... u have eyes to see...u have s nose to smell... u have senses to tell you what is real and not real...

though one sense can decieve you u have many so u can comprehend what is real and what is a trick...

Who came up with the 5 senses? Scientists, whether they were there already or not, scientists tell you whether it is a sense or not, they skipped an important one though, faith is a sense.

is faith a sense??? I can smell a rose...i can see the rose...i can touch the rose...i can even taste it (yuck)...but if i don't see the rose i am holding i should have blind faith it is still there...???

touch, sense, taste, hearing, sight...we didn't need scientists to tell us we have these...we have always known...it has nothing to do with faith...

[/quote]

If someone tells you there is a rose, but you can't see or feel it. Do you still believe it is there? If so, then that is faith.

if He is all powerful, why did he let things like this happen? when He could have easily stopped it with a bullet flying in a slightly different direction during the 1st world war... a simple gust of wind...

critics will say it was a test. But what type of parent wants 6 million of their kids to be executed??? or why didn't he stop the even worse killings that occured in Russia and China??? doesn't seem all powerful to me...

I'm getting tired of answering this, humans were given free will. What we do has consequences, we have to accept those consequences. If God intervened in all major things, then we would learn nothing from it. We would just continue to attempt to do it. Instead since we had two major wars that millions died in, the world is much more cautious about war. The A-bomb, after witnessing what it does, the world is much more cautious with nucleur weapons.

We learn from our mistakes, would you rather your parents step in everytime you want to do something and tell you what to do or decide for yourself and deal with what happens after.

[comic boy]

quote]

I'm getting tired of answering this, humans were given free will. What we do has consequences, we have to accept those consequences. If God intervened in all major things, then we would learn nothing from it. We would just continue to attempt to do it. Instead since we had two major wars that millions died in, the world is much more cautious about war. The A-bomb, after witnessing what it does, the world is much more cautious with nucleur weapons.

We learn from our mistakes, would you rather your parents step in everytime you want to do something and tell you what to do or decide for yourself and deal with what happens after.[/quote]

We have been warring constantly for 3000 years, less and less people believe in God, he needs to rethink his strategy perhaps