Logic dictates that there is a God!

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:11 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:
What false statements am I making? I haven't found one yet...
There are quite a few nutcases out there, dude.

other than that?

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:11 pm

Kaplowitz wrote:
logic

ironic huh

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:41 pm

ParadiceCity9 wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:
What false statements am I making? I haven't found one yet...
There are quite a few nutcases out there, dude.
other than that?

Well other than that nothing. Creationism-belief is still only believed by those people without a reasonable mind or even a mind.

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:55 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:
What false statements am I making? I haven't found one yet...
There are quite a few nutcases out there, dude.
other than that?
Well other than that nothing. Creationism-belief is still only believed by those people without a reasonable mind or even a mind.

exactly.
In other words, Jay we're calling you retarded.

Chris7He · Post by **Chris7He** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:56 pm

ParadiceCity9 wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:
What false statements am I making? I haven't found one yet...
There are quite a few nutcases out there, dude.
other than that?
Well other than that nothing. Creationism-belief is still only believed by those people without a reasonable mind or even a mind.
exactly.
In other words, Jay we're calling you retarded.

Lolz

PS-PC... where the f*ck did you get that avvy?

incognito_man · Post by **incognito_man** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:02 pm

I'm relatively new to this site, and just first saw this thread today. I'm not sure if DesCartes has ever been discussed on here, but he is/was a brilliant mathematician/philosopher and religious person. He wrote an essay on the existence of god which is rather ingenious. I am not a religious person, but religion and god are certainly not mutually exclusive.

Anyway, Rene' (yes, we're on a first name basis) deduced the existence of god by our ability to comprehend (or rather just that we have knowledge about) infinite things. He says that any finite being would not be able to acknowledge the possible existence of something finite UNLESS we had some infinite-type *impression* made on us at the beginning of our existence. Hence there must be some 'infinite creator' which impressed the possibility of the idea of infinity upon us.

I created the following analogy. Imagine that you (a person) are a small part of a circle. Without having some idea of what the whole *IS* you could never comprehend what an entire circle is just based upon the knowledge you have of the small piece you represent. Thus, the idea of the *whole* circle had to have been somehow ingrained in us for us to know what it looks like (I'm not using the circle as a direct example of this, just as a concrete analogue.)

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:52 pm

ParadiceCity9 wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:
What false statements am I making? I haven't found one yet...
There are quite a few nutcases out there, dude.
other than that?
Well other than that nothing. Creationism-belief is still only believed by those people without a reasonable mind or even a mind.
exactly.
In other words, Jay we're calling you retarded.

How do I put this..... called worse by better...nah, pot meet kettle...nah... how about grow up, put up or shut up?

incognito_man wrote:I'm relatively new to this site, and just first saw this thread today. I'm not sure if DesCartes has ever been discussed on here, but he is/was a brilliant mathematician/philosopher and religious person. He wrote an essay on the existence of god which is rather ingenious. I am not a religious person, but religion and god are certainly not mutually exclusive.

Anyway, Rene' (yes, we're on a first name basis) deduced the existence of god by our ability to comprehend (or rather just that we have knowledge about) infinite things. He says that any finite being would not be able to acknowledge the possible existence of something finite UNLESS we had some infinite-type *impression* made on us at the beginning of our existence. Hence there must be some 'infinite creator' which impressed the possibility of the idea of infinity upon us.

I created the following analogy. Imagine that you (a person) are a small part of a circle. Without having some idea of what the whole *IS* you could never comprehend what an entire circle is just based upon the knowledge you have of the small piece you represent. Thus, the idea of the *whole* circle had to have been somehow ingrained in us for us to know what it looks like (I'm not using the circle as a direct example of this, just as a concrete analogue.)

Good post but many here might not have the capacity to think beyond a slinky concerning gravitational pull much less complex things as infinity.

CoffeeCream · Post by **CoffeeCream** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:46 pm

Those who don't believe in God are still in the minority on this poll regardless of how loud they have been.

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:57 pm

CoffeeCream wrote:Those who don't believe in God are still in the minority on this poll.

"Believe" is the key word here. There is no proof that god exist. It's a belief.

Religion is question of faith, not fact.

Here's a funny read by Penn Jillette the magician:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=5015557

silvanricky · Post by **silvanricky** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:10 am

Heimdall wrote:
CoffeeCream wrote:Those who don't believe in God are still in the minority on this poll.
"Believe" is the key word here. There is no proof that god exist. It's a belief.

Religion is question of faith, not fact.

Here's a funny read by Penn Jillette the magician:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=5015557

This is going to stir up a whole new can of worms but in another thread I saw Christians and atheists debate whether atheism was a non belief in the existence of God or was it a belief that there is no God.

I noticed in this article Penn Jillette said at least 3 times that "I believe there is no God". He also says that he is beyond atheism. I wonder if he thinks he is a more intelligent or better person than the average atheist because he says it that way.

That being said, holy f*ck he's a research fellow at the Cato Institute! I thought he just did magic routines.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:07 am

silvanricky wrote: I noticed in this article Penn Jillette said at least 3 times that "I believe there is no God". He also says that he is beyond atheism. .

Reminds me of what I often say when asked if I believe in God..... "No, I don't believe in God, I know there is a God and there is a difference."

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:24 am

jay_a2j wrote:Reminds me of what I often say when asked if I believe in God..... "No, I don't believe in God, I know there is a God and there is a difference."

And i know there's an elephant in the trunk of Penn's car.

radiojake · Post by **radiojake** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:46 am

jay_a2j wrote:
silvanricky wrote: I noticed in this article Penn Jillette said at least 3 times that "I believe there is no God". He also says that he is beyond atheism. .

Reminds me of what I often say when asked if I believe in God..... "No, I don't believe in God, I know there is a God and there is a difference."

Reminds me of why I told myself to stop reading this thread (which, for the most part, I have) - Retards 'knowing' there is a god --

Beastly · Post by **Beastly** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:37 am

Heimdall wrote:
"Believe" is the key word here. There is no proof that god exist. It's a belief.

Religion is question of faith, not fact.

There is no proof that God doesn't exist! However over thousands and thousand of years, The bible has survived, and Money, kings, Places, tombs, and other Remains are found, Which is more Proof that god does exist, rather than not.

Prove God doesn't exist? you can't! there is more proof of the existence than not.

Balsiefen · Post by **Balsiefen** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:24 am

Beastly wrote:
Heimdall wrote:
"Believe" is the key word here. There is no proof that god exist. It's a belief.

Religion is question of faith, not fact.

There is no proof that God doesn't exist! However over thousands and thousand of years, The bible has survived, and Money, kings, Places, tombs, and other Remains are found, Which is more Proof that god does exist, rather than not.

Prove God doesn't exist? you can't! there is more proof of the existence than not.

Wha?? How does that prove god exists The bible survived because it made people powerfull. All that other stuff survives because thats what old stuff which doesn't corrode does. I dont see your point here.

comic boy · Post by **comic boy** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:49 am

Beastly wrote:
Heimdall wrote:
"Believe" is the key word here. There is no proof that god exist. It's a belief.

Religion is question of faith, not fact.

There is no proof that God doesn't exist! However over thousands and thousand of years, The bible has survived, and Money, kings, Places, tombs, and other Remains are found, Which is more Proof that god does exist, rather than not.

Prove God doesn't exist? you can't! there is more proof of the existence than not.

There is no more proof of his existence than of his non existence, belief is based on faith non belief is based on material logic.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:54 am

Beastly wrote:
Heimdall wrote:
"Believe" is the key word here. There is no proof that god exist. It's a belief.

Religion is question of faith, not fact.

There is no proof that God doesn't exist! However over thousands and thousand of years, The bible has survived, and Money, kings, Places, tombs, and other Remains are found, Which is more Proof that god does exist, rather than not.

Prove God doesn't exist? you can't! there is more proof of the existence than not.

How the hell does that prove that God exists? It proves that some parts of the Bible has historical meaning, but other than that, WOW, GOD EXISTS BECAUSE MONEY WAS AROUND 2000 + YEARS AGO!

Seriously, Beastly, money doesn't prove that God exists. Kings of ages past does not prove that God exists. Places, tombs and other remains does not prove that God exists. It just proves that things were introduced into the Bible and put there as a historical meaning, nothing more, nothing less.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:10 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Good post but many here might not have the capacity to think beyond a slinky concerning gravitational pull much less complex things as infinity.

You know why that is? BECAUSE NOONE CAN COMPREHEND INFINITY!

Anyone who claims so is lying.

Descartes was a good philosopher, but he made many mistakes in his "proof" for god.

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:59 am

jay_a2j wrote:but many here might not have the capacity to think beyond a slinky concerning gravitational pull much less complex things as infinity.

The only thing you've talked about infinity is that God is ever lasting. Christ Jay you piss me off so much.

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:01 am

jay_a2j wrote:
silvanricky wrote:I often say when asked if I believe in God..... "No, I don't believe in God, I know there is a God and there is a difference."

Proof that you should take perhaps a science class, or slap your mother in the face for making you go to church.

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:03 am

Beastly wrote:
Heimdall wrote:
"Believe" is the key word here. There is no proof that god exist. It's a belief.

Religion is question of faith, not fact.

There is no proof that God doesn't exist! However over thousands and thousand of years, The bible has survived, and Money, kings, Places, tombs, and other Remains are found, Which is more Proof that god does exist, rather than not.

Prove God doesn't exist? you can't! there is more proof of the existence than not.

all you stated here is that people believe in god...

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:12 am

Jay, I'm still puzzling over how your logical argument results in the Abrahamic God... Any clarification on what indicates the type of creator?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:20 am

Guiscard wrote:Jay, I'm still puzzling over how your logical argument results in the Abrahamic God... Any clarification on what indicates the type of creator?

The thread was not made to prove the Abrahamic God just that God must exist. Now deciding which God exists is a matter of faith. The Bible puts forth overwhelming evidence that it is true.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:22 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Guiscard wrote:Jay, I'm still puzzling over how your logical argument results in the Abrahamic God... Any clarification on what indicates the type of creator?
The thread was not made to prove the Abrahamic God just that God must exist. Now deciding which God exists is a matter of faith. The Bible puts forth overwhelming evidence that it is true.

You think some stories is overwhelming evidence? That a burning bush speaking is evidence? That someone turning towards God by being blinded randomly? Having 7 years of good crops then 7 years of famine?

Overwhelming evidence I see.

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:26 am

jay_a2j wrote:The thread was not made to prove the Abrahamic God just that God must exist. Now deciding which God exists is a matter of faith. The Bible puts forth overwhelming evidence that it is true.

Yes because parting an entire fucking sea actually happened...as did everything else Skittles! just said. Jay i've said this before and I'll say it again, you have down syndrome.

Logic dictates that there is a God!

Does God exist?