Hillary Clinton

[Anarkistsdream]

Sex in a civilized society! It's not like this is some deep jungle wilderness, where instincts rule all

You do realise we are animals, right?

He's just a little kid who has never been laid before...

[Carebian Knight]

No. You don't understand what these things would do to the economy.

You do know that the US exonomy is essentially nothing more than a threat of military action, don't you? Anything that makes the US dollar lose value (something it seems to be doing just fine under a Republican government) is merely admitting the truth.
Anyway, "destroy the economy" sounds an awful lot like generalised scare tactics. Specific examples of how the fiendish Democrats are planning to ruthlessly crush the US economy would be helpful.

U.S. s a capitalistic society.

Funny, dat.
Dosen't make it right, though.

+ Gay marriage and abortion are against what the Bible says.

So's war. That dosen't seem to be a very strong impediment.

America was fonded as a Christine country

When did this happen? Why was I not informed?!
Remember Freedom of Religion and all that jazz? If the US is a Christian country, then all that flies out the window. Hell, "Seperation of Church and State". Remember that? Fairly important...

and they are trying to turn it into everything against Christian beliefs.

Devil worshiping, sunday working, baby eating, Anti-Christ creating, humanitarian communists?

Nowhere in the Bible does it say war is wrong, why would God have ordered the Israelites into battle, if he was against war

They made seperation of church and state because there was more than just christians in America, they also forsaw things that could happen if the government had power over the church, or vice versa. Most Americans at the time were christian, including the founding fathers.

[Carebian Knight]

Gay marriage needs to be discouraged, why, because you can't have children as a guy couple. If suddenly being gay is allowed by law, then everyone who has the urge will marry gay, then the world's population will begin to decrease, sooner or later the world will fall apart.

Abortion is wrong because, it's just birth control, as Adams said. If it's made entirely legal all the time, then teens will have sex without condoms and pills, but lets focus on sex without condoms, STD's will be passed around much more, soon everyone in the world will be infected because now, we can have sex but not have to deal with the consequences.

As for rape victims, I'm sorry, but I'm a believer of everything happens for a reason. As for them being so young that they can't take care of the kid, people used to get married and start families at 12, they had no problems, plus today, where are the parents of the rapee, are they to lazy collecting on our programs that allow people to sit at home and still get money or what?

[Beastly]

If Gay marriage is allowed then polygamy should be allowed also, and marriages to animals, or any kind of marriage anybody wants. It can't just be for straight and gay couples.

[Frigidus]

Gay marriage needs to be discouraged, why, because you can't have children as a guy couple. If suddenly being gay is allowed by law, then everyone who has the urge will marry gay, then the world's population will begin to decrease, sooner or later the world will fall apart.

Guys aren't quite that awesome. Also, the world is getting a bit too overpopulated. It would be great if we leveled out.

Abortion is wrong because, it's just birth control, as Adams said. If it's made entirely legal all the time, then teens will have sex without condoms and pills, but lets focus on sex without condoms, STD's will be passed around much more, soon everyone in the world will be infected because now, we can have sex but not have to deal with the consequences.

STDs aren't a consequence? Not only that, but abortion is a difficult (and expensive) choice for most people. It's not a primary birth control method

As for rape victims, I'm sorry, but I'm a believer of everything happens for a reason. As for them being so young that they can't take care of the kid, people used to get married and start families at 12, they had no problems, plus today, where are the parents of the rapee, are they to lazy collecting on our programs that allow people to sit at home and still get money or what?

That's just cruel. I hate to break it to you, but rape victims likely don't give two shits about what you, me, or anyone else is a believer of. Not trying to insult you, just stating a fact. People that started families at 12 in the past were usually in arranged marriages with older men who knew what they were doing. In the modern world an unwanted child can destroy the future of someone in junior high or high school.

[Frigidus]

If Gay marriage is allowed then polygamy should be allowed also, and marriages to animals, or any kind of marriage anybody wants. It can't just be for straight and gay couples.

Only marriage that has two consensual partners should be allowed. Animals, for instance, can not give consent. Polygamy seems strange to me, but it should be allowed assuming all members are consensual.

[muy_thaiguy]

Actually, the phrase, "Seperation of Church and State" was made in a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to an aquantance of his, some people have been using this term for their own goals since this. Only the fact that America will not have a dominant religion is implied, and that is how it is written.

[Frigidus]

Actually, the phrase, "Seperation of Church and State" was made in a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to an aquantance of his, some people have been using this term for their own goals since this. Only the fact that America will not have a dominant religion is implied, and that is how it is written.

Founding fathers aside, does the American public want seperation of church and state or not? That's the only issue in my mind.

[comic boy]

Did I say I support a state religion? NO!! I just don't like Hillary Clintons policiies, and want to know what the CCer's think.

Well what are we to think when you oppose Hilarry's policies because they are not Christian enough? It's fine if you attack them on other reasons, but why use the biblical argument?

Umm. DUH... I'm a Christian, I'm gonna base my political opinion on whether or not a candidate has policies that agree with my biblical belief.

Have a look at the likes of Sudan,Iran, Saudi Arabia and you will see what happens when countries implement policies based on religious belief. Take your head out of the clouds and learn from the real world not an imaginary one based on spiritualism and nothing else. Do you seriously think that it is better for your country to be run by the people who are devout Christians rather than those with better levels of ability and vision.

[muy_thaiguy]

Actually, the phrase, "Seperation of Church and State" was made in a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to an aquantance of his, some people have been using this term for their own goals since this. Only the fact that America will not have a dominant religion is implied, and that is how it is written.

Founding fathers aside, does the American public want seperation of church and state or not? That's the only issue in my mind.

It is a split issue. There are those that want nothing to do with religion in any way, shape, or form. Those that don't care if a person has, say, a picture of Jesus or a cross in their office and it doesn't bother them, and those that demand religion be in government 100%. I would consider myself in the second group, because frankly, I don't care what they believe so long as they do their job.

[Frigidus]

Actually, the phrase, "Seperation of Church and State" was made in a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to an aquantance of his, some people have been using this term for their own goals since this. Only the fact that America will not have a dominant religion is implied, and that is how it is written.

Founding fathers aside, does the American public want seperation of church and state or not? That's the only issue in my mind.

It is a split issue. There are those that want nothing to do with religion in any way, shape, or form. Those that don't care if a person has, say, a picture of Jesus or a cross in their office and it doesn't bother them, and those that demand religion be in government 100%. I would consider myself in the second group, because frankly, I don't care what they believe so long as they do their job.

Agreed. To be honest I'm fine with the individual members of the government being any religion they please as long as their religious ideals don't leak over into the laws they pass.

[comic boy]

ok effects of the things I don't support

Abortion- a way for teens pre-marital to get away with sex without consequences

Gay marriage- Another bad influence for the children of America.

Universal health care- another reason for lazy people to get away with not striving for better jobs and advancements in their own life. They complain about a tax defecate and then come up with unnecessary programs such as this.

Higher taxes decrease the flow of the economy, by raising prices (similar effects to inflation). This slow in the economy means less things to tax anyway!!!

Sex without consequences? <gasp> People might start thinking that sex is just a part of human nature rather than placing it on a pedestal as something more than just a mode of reproduction. The only argument against abortion is whether or not (and when at that) a fetus is considered alive.

Gay marriage is not a bad influence unless you label being gay as "bad", which is just a bad idea. Once again, we're treating sex like it's something holy. Besides, if being gay is allowed and living together as a gay couple is allowed, how will gay marriage push the boundaries? Shouldn't it be more a religious matter than a stately one as to whether two people are married?

Universal health care...well, arguments against this one at least have roots outside of ancient manuscripts. This one is fine by me.

1/3 is a 33%. You still beat xtratabasco (he has references everywhere else, and damn it, I'm not letting this thread dodge a bullet).

Sex in a civilized society! It's not like this is some deep jungle wilderness, where instincts rule all, we even have laws against pre-marital sex in some states! Sex is to be had by married couples, Thats the way Isee it. I thought the free love movement ended in the 90's.

Ho Ho Ho
Instinct rule all - You mean like the instinct some 'civilised' people have to base their entire lives on a book

[Neutrino]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say war is wrong, why would God have ordered the Israelites into battle, if he was against war

"Thou Shalt Not Kill"? I also seem to recall that Christianity has been big in a lot of various anti-war activities over the years.

Anyway, God does a lot of things he shouldn't. Gets angry and starts smiting people, despite being perfect;, randomly terrorises Egypt, where simple teleportation would have done the trick much faster and more efficiently; and just generally seems insistent that efficiency is not, in fact, a virtue; that taking the long and confusing way 'round is far superior.

Note; to those with no sense of humour: I am not actually serious with any of this stuff.

They made seperation of church and state because there was more than just christians in America, they also forsaw things that could happen if the government had power over the church, or vice versa. Most Americans at the time were christian, including the founding fathers.

Still doesn't make the US a "Christian Country". Hell, if the US is, ever was or ever will be, one of it's major freedoms, freedom of religion becomes completely invalid.
"You're allowed to practice whatever religion you wish, except you must conform to Christian morals, traditions and standards at all times."

[Snorri1234]

Abortion is wrong because, it's just birth control, as Adams said. If it's made entirely legal all the time, then teens will have sex without condoms and pills, but lets focus on sex without condoms, STD's will be passed around much more, soon everyone in the world will be infected because now, we can have sex but not have to deal with the consequences.

Wow, this is some serious stupid here.
Seriously, how are STD's not a consequence????
Not to mention that abortion is actually no fun at all. It's expensive and compared to condoms and the pill quite a big hassle to peform and have. And what about the fucking mental consequences? Do you actually think people don't care about having an abortion?

As for rape victims, I'm sorry, but I'm a believer of everything happens for a reason. As for them being so young that they can't take care of the kid, people used to get married and start families at 12, they had no problems, plus today, where are the parents of the rapee, are they to lazy collecting on our programs that allow people to sit at home and still get money or what?

Yes obviously only the people who are social parasites have daughters that get raped. I mean, forget about the hard-working people who can barely sustain 2 children and then suddenly have an extra baby to take care for.

[Guiscard]

Gay marriage needs to be discouraged, why, because you can't have children as a guy couple. If suddenly being gay is allowed by law, then everyone who has the urge will marry gay, then the world's population will begin to decrease, sooner or later the world will fall apart.

Awesome!

Have you ever MET a gay person?

Because I doubt any that I know have thought 'Hey, I can't legally marry a guy... I guess the best option is to force myself into a heterosexual relationship, close my eyes, think of George Michael and procreate...'

Although there is certainly a percentage of homosexuals who choose a heterosexual lifestyle and relationship because the social taboo, I strongly doubt their specific childbirth statistics have any real impact on the world's population.

[Mr_Adams]

As for rape victims, I'm sorry, but I'm a believer of everything happens for a reason. As for them being so young that they can't take care of the kid, people used to get married and start families at 12, they had no problems, plus today, where are the parents of the rapee, are they to lazy collecting on our programs that allow people to sit at home and still get money or what?

Yes obviously only the people who are social parasites have daughters that get raped. I mean, forget about the hard-working people who can barely sustain 2 children and then suddenly have an extra baby to take care for.

One word, adoption

[Snorri1234]

One word, adoption

Yes but that was not the point here.

Not that I feel stacking the orphanages with even more kids is a smart move, but hey, what do I know?

[Neutrino]

3 words: Not Enough Adopters.

Seriously, if every rape victim put their children up for adoption there is no way you would ever be able to get enough people to adopt them all.

[Carebian Knight]

Gay marriage needs to be discouraged, why, because you can't have children as a guy couple. If suddenly being gay is allowed by law, then everyone who has the urge will marry gay, then the world's population will begin to decrease, sooner or later the world will fall apart.

Awesome!

Have you ever MET a gay person?

Because I doubt any that I know have thought 'Hey, I can't legally marry a guy... I guess the best option is to force myself into a heterosexual relationship, close my eyes, think of George Michael and procreate...'

Although there is certainly a percentage of homosexuals who choose a heterosexual lifestyle and relationship because the social taboo, I strongly doubt their specific childbirth statistics have any real impact on the world's population.

Yes my godfather is gay, but that doesn't mean he should marry a man and have sex with him. Come on, men and women were created to have sex with each other, whether you are evolutionist or creationist, women and men are supposed to go together, not men with men, or women with women.

[suggs]

some of my worst friends are gay

[Snorri1234]

Yes my godfather is gay, but that doesn't mean he should marry a man and have sex with him. Come on, men and women were created to have sex with each other, whether you are evolutionist or creationist, women and men are supposed to go together, not men with men, or women with women.

Actually, I don't believe for a second men and women are created to have sex with each other. Sure, it makes babies which means the species gets a higher survivalrate, but that doesn't mean anything. An appeal to our sentiments like yours is stupid.

You see, what you're saying is that people are not allowed freedom over what they do. How can you proclaim this without sounding like a massive hypocrit?

[suggs]

freedom is wasted on me

[Carebian Knight]

There's is no such thing as true freedom, human nature will not allow it.

[Neutrino]

Yes my godfather is gay, but that doesn't mean he should marry a man and have sex with him. Come on, men and women were created to have sex with each other, whether you are evolutionist or creationist, women and men are supposed to go together, not men with men, or women with women.

As has been stated many times throught various threads, there is a destinct benifit to homosexuals in periods of low resources. Homosexuals, since they are unable to concieve their own children, are able to use the time they would have spent raising their own children to help others with theirs. In tough times this can be a huge advantage: rather than many children who each have a very small chance of survival, children can also be cared for by the homosexuals and thus increace their chance of survival.
Quite a cunning evolutionary trick.

[Neutrino]

There's is no such thing as true freedom, human nature will not allow it.

What do you mean by "true freedom"?

[size=0]Oh, and just to spark another debate:[/size] God's nature doesen't allow freedom, period.