Wine/Women/Song Mafia - Mafia win!

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:44 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
spinwizard wrote:Fos - AD

A bit over aggressive today
You already have voted me, dumbass.

yeah but now your under his suspicion....

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:44 pm

Fos GT and AD for being shit at doubles.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:46 pm

firth4eva wrote:Fos GT and AD for being shit at doubles.

i tell you what...those games got out of hand in a hurry.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:47 pm

I didn't do much really. It was just attacking you both but you both had few men

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:49 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
spinwizard wrote:Fos - AD

A bit over aggressive today
You already have voted me, dumbass.
yeah but now your under his suspicion....

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:04 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
spinwizard wrote:Fos - AD

A bit over aggressive today
You already have voted me, dumbass.
yeah but now your under his suspicion....

Got it in one, at first my vote was a joke, now I actually believe u are scum!

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:07 pm

got tonkaed wrote:i tend to be a bit of a utilitarian on day 1. For that reason vote spiser, he has done some things which look a bit scummy thus far, and has yet to prove he could be of any value to the town later in the game.

*ill be happy to switch this when its necessary to*

As far as I can tell, I think you have made the most suspicious comment, as I stated earlier. All I have noticed about spiesr is he has changed his vote to almost every new argument...I don't see why this would make anymore look any more or any less like mafia

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:11 pm

clive....if im guessing the ends justify the means statement appears scummy to you, thats understandable, i catch flack for it all the time.

Heres why i think especially in this case its fine.

In this game, theres no guarantee that if someone ends up being lynched, their role is gone for good. Therefore, if (in this case) spiser had a role that was valuable to the town...it stands to reason at least thus far, there is a town role that can save him from jail. Likewise, if his role ends up being inconsequential to the game ie vanilla town or in fact is a scum role, it seemingly works out fairly well.

Thus far spiser hasnt really contributed much of value to the game, other than jump around from place to place. Although you can argue to what degree this is a scum tactic, it certainly would seem that either way its not contributing to postive investigation, as people he bounces from back and forth dont acutally have to defend themselves because the charges have no weight.

In other news, i believe that is twice youve accused me now, is there any particular reason why you appear to have an axe to grind?

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:12 pm

spinwizard wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
spinwizard wrote:Fos - AD

A bit over aggressive today
You already have voted me, dumbass.
yeah but now your under his suspicion....
Got it in one, at first my vote was a joke, now I actually believe u are scum!

Because I wanted you to participate or be replaced?

If I was scum, wouldn't I have rather you not posted at all?

That has little logic to it, and sounds like you want to start a bandwagon for nothing.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:15 pm

got tonkaed wrote:In other news, i believe that is twice youve accused me now, is there any particular reason why you appear to have an axe to grind?

The "I would be the worst one to vote" comment. Page or two back.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:18 pm

Clive wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:In other news, i believe that is twice youve accused me now, is there any particular reason why you appear to have an axe to grind?
The "I would be the worst one to vote" comment. Page or two back.

i guess thats under the simple premise that if i had to have someone else die or have me die, id rather keep playing in the game. Especially on day 1, when theres probably not a scenario developed yet where its better for me to die so the town can have advantage.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:21 pm

(the protown hero) to see if this is the one time when im certainly scum?

I probably have a little too much value to the town to get lynched off on day 1....but good logic though.

That is the partial quote, the relevant part, I was refering to. I went back and found it.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:22 pm

Clive wrote:
(the protown hero) to see if this is the one time when im certainly scum?

I probably have a little too much value to the town to get lynched off on day 1....but good logic though.
That is the partial quote, the relevant part, I was refering to. I went back and found it.

a lot of that is kind of me being facetious....frankly it wasnt really an accusation that merited a lot of response so i felt i responded to it with the lack of seriousness that the accusation deserved.

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:23 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
spinwizard wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
spinwizard wrote:Fos - AD

A bit over aggressive today
You already have voted me, dumbass.
yeah but now your under his suspicion....
Got it in one, at first my vote was a joke, now I actually believe u are scum!
Because I wanted you to participate or be replaced?

If I was scum, wouldn't I have rather you not posted at all?

That has little logic to it, and sounds like you want to start a bandwagon for nothing.

Nope, nothing to do with that at all

Nice defence, mabey something you could have put together in adavanc?

In total I got nothing (Everyone looks so scummy) But to me, you look the scummyest!

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:25 pm

got tonkaed wrote:it stands to reason at least thus far, there is a town role that can save him from jail.

What makes you think that there is a role that can do this. From what I've read it seems like you are very keen on the idea of a role that can breack out of jail.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:25 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Clive wrote:
(the protown hero) to see if this is the one time when im certainly scum?

I probably have a little too much value to the town to get lynched off on day 1....but good logic though.
That is the partial quote, the relevant part, I was refering to. I went back and found it.
a lot of that is kind of me being facetious....frankly it wasnt really an accusation that merited a lot of response so i felt i responded to it with the lack of seriousness that the accusation deserved.

Ok. Well it's just the only thing in the whole thread i've picked up on. As no-one else of the experienced guys here have picked up on it, I guess I must be wrong.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:26 pm

Fircoal wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:it stands to reason at least thus far, there is a town role that can save him from jail.
What makes you think that there is a role that can do this. From what I've read it seems like you are very keen on the idea of a role that can breack out of jail.

i guess its just the fact that he specified it in his rules as different than the normal lynching.

If youd rather not operate under that assumption thats fine, ill stop doing it.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:30 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:it stands to reason at least thus far, there is a town role that can save him from jail.
What makes you think that there is a role that can do this. From what I've read it seems like you are very keen on the idea of a role that can breack out of jail.
i guess its just the fact that he specified it in his rules as different than the normal lynching.

If youd rather not operate under that assumption thats fine, ill stop doing it.

I was more or less wondering why you had that assumption, while it doesn't seem like a terrible one, as it makes sense. Just if there isn't one, we would be in trouble.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:33 pm

Fircoal wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:it stands to reason at least thus far, there is a town role that can save him from jail.
What makes you think that there is a role that can do this. From what I've read it seems like you are very keen on the idea of a role that can breack out of jail.
i guess its just the fact that he specified it in his rules as different than the normal lynching.

If youd rather not operate under that assumption thats fine, ill stop doing it.
I was more or less wondering why you had that assumption, while it doesn't seem like a terrible one, as it makes sense. Just if there isn't one, we would be in trouble.

admittedly its a problem if its not true or if its something that only one faction can get to. I guess i just wasnt that worried about that possiblity on a day 1 when its likely we will be making a relatively uninformed lynch anyway.

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:33 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:it stands to reason at least thus far, there is a town role that can save him from jail.
What makes you think that there is a role that can do this. From what I've read it seems like you are very keen on the idea of a role that can breack out of jail.
i guess its just the fact that he specified it in his rules as different than the normal lynching.

If youd rather not operate under that assumption thats fine, ill stop doing it.

I agree with GT and I think there is a jail keeper role that can bring ppl from jail (Any related songs?) But on the other hand whilst I believe this I still think that we should play it normally just in case me and GT are wrong

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:59 pm

spinwizard wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:it stands to reason at least thus far, there is a town role that can save him from jail.
What makes you think that there is a role that can do this. From what I've read it seems like you are very keen on the idea of a role that can breack out of jail.
i guess its just the fact that he specified it in his rules as different than the normal lynching.

If youd rather not operate under that assumption thats fine, ill stop doing it.
I agree with GT and I think there is a jail keeper role that can bring ppl from jail (Any related songs?) But on the other hand whilst I believe this I still think that we should play it normally just in case me and GT are wrong

This is probably the better idea...cos if we assume someone can be brought back, but they can't, it is going to be unhelpful, could screw our strat. If we assume normal play, then find out we can bring someone back, it will be helpful

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:22 pm

got tonkaed wrote:i guess its just the fact that he specified it in his rules as different than the normal lynching.

If youd rather not operate under that assumption thats fine, ill stop doing it.

Yeah, but then, Aimless burned people at the stake.

spiesr · Post by **spiesr** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:29 pm

Just a thought, if there is a roll that can bring people back from jail, I find it likely that we may not discover the full roll of the lynched...

spiesr · Post by **spiesr** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:58 pm

got tonkaed wrote:theres probably not a scenario developed yet where its better for me to die so the town can have advantage.

Except of course when you inevitably be scum..

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:20 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Clive wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:In other news, i believe that is twice youve accused me now, is there any particular reason why you appear to have an axe to grind?
The "I would be the worst one to vote" comment. Page or two back.
i guess thats under the simple premise that if i had to have someone else die or have me die, id rather keep playing in the game. Especially on day 1, when theres probably not a scenario developed yet where its better for me to die so the town can have advantage.

? explain how your death will benefit the town please. Or, we can do this the short way and I can just vote for you.