Judgement Day- Game Over, MAFIA WIN!!!

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:58 am

Well, it seems we won't reach a consensus this way.

Unvote Vote Firth

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:39 pm

I was not recruited by a God. The message was from jnd.

Also can people please state the reasons why I might suddenly throw away my perfect roleclaim that tricked everyone into believing I was town to lynch mandy?

So far we have
1- I am a jester. I am clearly a day cop.
2- I was trying to distract the AD, SL lynch. I have nothing to explain this.
3- Mandy is really powerful role. He has already roleclaimed.

Any others?

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:59 pm

Mandy DOESN'T have a really powerful role. Far from that.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:01 pm

( sorry for double post ) At least, he didn't claim something very powerful.

So if you all agree on lynching firth or mandy, mandy should be the way to go....But then again, I don't beleive he is scum. Then again, firth is also beleivable too.......

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:01 pm

freezie wrote:Mandy DOESN'T have a really powerful role. Far from that.

That is why the evidence is flawed.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:25 pm

firth4eva wrote:
freezie wrote:Mandy DOESN'T have a really powerful role. Far from that.
That is why the evidence is flawed.

What evidence are you talking of? An evidence cannot be flawed, anyway. In this case, it's a supposition more than evidence.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:31 pm

Reasons why I would sacrifice myself for mandy

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:37 pm

Look guys, I know that either Firth or I are Scum. That is to say, I know that Firth is scum

, BUT...

There is no way int the world that Firth could survive me by more then a day. Now it's possible for pro-Town to go kamikaze in order to take out scum. But, there are very few reasons why a Scum is going to sacrifice himself to take out 1 pro-Town.

1. Firth's a Lyncher and I am his target. If this is true, then we should lynch neither me nor Firth, cause either way it would be a waste of time. Also, given Firth's investigative power and my role, I find this theory to be unlikely.

2. Firth is a Jester. He is looking for a way to off himself and he figures that lynching a pro-Town might be his ticket to the better world. This theory is a bit more in the spirit of the game (he could be some kind of a martyr). But, again, in this case we should not lynch either Firth nor me.

3. Firth has been recruited. In this case his gambit can mean only one thing: we have closed in on his recruiter. Given the situation at the moment of his attack, it is my belief that the recruiter can be either Nark or Sierra. Since Sierra was leading in votes at the time, vote Sierra.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:53 pm

firth4eva wrote:Reasons why I would sacrifice myself for mandy

The evidence is flawed, and is the reason you would sacrfice yourself.

Yet, you said you received a clear message saying mandy is scum. Yet you say is flawed?

You do not make sense..

Unvote

Vote: SL

Because of Mandy's reasoning. As far as I know the situation, I beleive Mandy is making more sense than firth.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:01 pm

Mandy, that reasoning sounds completely wrong.
1&2: we already know that Firth was a neutral day cop, he proved it enough.
3: Why vote Sierra as a consequence of this? The only clear link there is is between Firth and Nark.

I'm starting to think you might be BSing us after all as you don't want Firth lynched. Either way, I still believe Firth has been recruited because of his weird second result etc so his death would be more beneficial to figure things out.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:02 pm

freezie wrote: The evidence is flawed, and is the reason you would sacrfice yourself.

Yet, you said you received a clear message saying mandy is scum. Yet you say is flawed?

Unless I am completely mistaken, I think Firth meant that the evidence for him wanting to suicide on Mandy is flawed, while his evidence that Mandy is scum, is strong.

I don't believe Firth is either a jester or a lyncher. He's a cop, and should still be one, unless his entire role changed mid day. Which I doubt.

I am not sure about Sierra_Leon either way, but he wasn't that close to being lynched, so sacrificing a recruited and generally trusted cop in order to postpone his lynch for a day, makes no sense. If you recruit someone who has claimed and whose claim is not contested, you don't throw him away immediately. You let him sleep so he can win the game for you when you die.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:04 pm

I see koesen..You might be right.

But then..Oh whatever..I am risking it:

unvote

Vote: firth

Alright, I know I am quite changing my votes here and there..Because I am totally confused on who to go with all this. But I am leaving this vote there now. Set in stone.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:08 pm

Confusions 'R Us

I don't blame you for that.

Personally, I find Mandy increasingly unconvincing. That last post was a lot of nothing, which leads me to another

Unvote. Vote Mandy

If it comes down to lynching Firth or lynching nobody, I'll switch to the Firth bandwagon, but I still think he's more credible than Mandy.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:16 pm

I don't think mandy is scum, unless he got recruited. He could be misleaded, that wouldn't surprise me of Mandy ( even though I feel he makes sense right now ) he is certainly not Bsing us. If he is, then he deserves every awards.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:16 pm

Koesen wrote:Confusions 'R Us

I don't blame you for that.

Personally, I find Mandy increasingly unconvincing. That last post was a lot of nothing, which leads me to another

Unvote. Vote Mandy

If it comes down to lynching Firth or lynching nobody, I'll switch to the Firth bandwagon, but I still think he's more credible than Mandy.

You find me to be unconvincing, but Firth's claim that his investigation has failed, followed by his claim that he knows that I am scum (but he can't say how) you find belivable.

FOS Koesen.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:33 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
You find me to be unconvincing, but Firth's claim that his investigation has failed, followed by his claim that he knows that I am scum (but he can't say how) you find belivable.

FOS Koesen.

As I have explained time and again, I'm sure one of you two is scum, and I find the modified result scenario more credible than your suicide theories.

You talk a whole lot, but when it comes down to it, most of what you say smells like chatter designed to confuse people. I see very few if any facts in your elaborate stories, while Firth's background is more solid.

Seriously now: if you were scum and you succeeded at recruiting Firth in this game, would you immediately let him suicide on a severly limited cop? You're too good for that, admit it. That whole scenario is way too noobish to be credible.

gimpyThewonder · Post by **gimpyThewonder** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:10 pm

so basically our choice boils down to:

Firth: proven investigative role who prevented the spread of a cult but who's powers have been getting odd results today.

Mandy: so far hasn't produced a single result from his wild and crazy theories but has a flock of people who believe him.

hmmm...

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:16 pm

Koesen wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:
You find me to be unconvincing, but Firth's claim that his investigation has failed, followed by his claim that he knows that I am scum (but he can't say how) you find belivable.

FOS Koesen.
As I have explained time and again, I'm sure one of you two is scum, and I find the modified result scenario more credible than your suicide theories.

You talk a whole lot, but when it comes down to it, most of what you say smells like chatter designed to confuse people. I see very few if any facts in your elaborate stories, while Firth's background is more solid.

Seriously now: if you were scum and you succeeded at recruiting Firth in this game, would you immediately let him suicide on a severly limited cop? You're too good for that, admit it. That whole scenario is way too noobish to be credible.

I am not a 'severly limited Cop'. I hunt the Red Horse and have been give two chances to identify him (via investigations). I used up one of those on Freezie so I must now be carefull with my last one.

To answer your question (as I have done a few times already) I am not saying that Firth is scrificing himself to kill me, I am saying that he is doing it to save his recruiter. If he menages to lynch me, that would give his boss two more Nights for recruiting (since I expect the Town would lynch Firth tommorow).

FOS Firth again for reminding me of Wicked's inability to understand anything properly while scum. Are scum-tells contaigus?

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:18 pm

gimpyThewonder wrote:so basically our choice boils down to:

Firth: proven investigative role who prevented the spread of a cult but who's powers have been getting odd results today.

Mandy: so far hasn't produced a single result from his wild and crazy theories but has a flock of people who believe him.

hmmm...

I am shocked that you would side against me, o prime suspect of mine.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:02 pm

So the only valid reasons for me doing this if I was scum is to take attention off SL and AD.

I suggest we lynch one of them today NK mandy and the other (if possible) tonight.

I am only saying this as you are all too stupid to go through with the mandy lynch.

And to freezie, I posted my reasons as to why it was flawed next to the suggestions

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:29 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote: I am not a 'severly limited Cop'. I hunt the Red Horse and have been give two chances to identify him (via investigations). I used up one of those on Freezie so I must now be carefull with my last one.

You are able to identify one single person and you only have two chances to do it, one of which has been used up already. Sounds like a severely limited cop to me...

Frankly, lynching you by mistake sounds a lot less serious than lynching Firth by mistake.

You know, when you're town, you almost always offer to be lynched to prove your point, since in that case the survival of town is more important to you than your own survival. Here, you're not doing that. Why? Surely not because your role is all that pivotal. I think you really want to survive here, and in your unique case, that's a scumtell.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:33 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote: If he menages to lynch me, that would give his boss two more Nights for recruiting (since I expect the Town would lynch Firth tommorow).

This too is flawed reasoning : there is no vig among the dead yet, and I think it's fairly reasonable to assume he'll act tonight. There are plenty of suspicious targets. Your timeline is flawed and so is your reasoning.

gimpyThewonder · Post by **gimpyThewonder** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:46 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
gimpyThewonder wrote:so basically our choice boils down to:

Firth: proven investigative role who prevented the spread of a cult but who's powers have been getting odd results today.

Mandy: so far hasn't produced a single result from his wild and crazy theories but has a flock of people who believe him.

hmmm...
I am shocked that you would side against me, o prime suspect of mine.

calls em as i sees em hoss

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:40 pm

Firth, gimpy...The fact I am suspicious of you is for going that adament after mandy, when I know I can trust him..

His claim makes perfect sense. And I doubt it's recruitable.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:45 pm

freezie wrote:Firth, gimpy...The fact I am suspicious of you is for going that adament after mandy, when I know I can trust him..

His claim makes perfect sense. And I doubt it's recruitable.

I had the same exact reasoning going through my head.

Subtract firth and add koesen tho.