[Official] Choose Your Own Mafia - TOWN WINS

[benga]

I totally misunderstood the draft

The chance that mafia is bottom is likely as it's in the top. Only sure thing is we are kill vanillas going from bottom.

For now I will vote dazza2008 to get something more out of him.

[TimWoodbury]

Tim,there definetly is a vigilante,they are definetly town."

there is potential that 1) vig wasnt picked at all or 2) a skum dude picked it and got it




@pt your saying i looked like skum about my post that more or less said the safe kill would be one of the 2 that claimed vanillia town so are you saying it would be better to kill the cop or doc then it would be to kill a vanillia townie??

[ptlowe]

Streaker said he would be busy till Monday.

[madmitch]

Tim,there definetly is a vigilante,they are definetly town."

there is potential that 1) vig wasnt picked at all or 2) a skum dude picked it and got it




@pt your saying i looked like skum about my post that more or less said the safe kill would be one of the 2 that claimed vanillia town so are you saying it would be better to kill the cop or doc then it would be to kill a vanillia townie??

@ Tim still trying to kill us vt,s VOTE TIM

[ptlowe]

so i say we kill dakky or mitch they claimed Vanillia so dont hurt anything to kill either 1 of them right

Thats a little different than saying we shouldnt kill high ranking town. Thats straight up wanting to kill town.

[TimWoodbury]

so i say we kill dakky or mitch they claimed Vanillia so dont hurt anything to kill either 1 of them right

Thats a little different than saying we shouldnt kill high ranking town. Thats straight up wanting to kill town.

no its not wanting to kill town, day 1 chances are god your gonna kill town anyways (as someone mentioned before percentage wise 4 chances to kill mafia 11 chances kill town chances says ur gonna kill town is it good no but if it comes down to it id rater kill vanilla then a power role. yall really twisting my words around at this point so no matter hat i say ur gonna sya im scum so im not even gonna bother defending myself so whatever

[Endgame422]

OK scum already have the power to kill a player each night.
Unless it stacks and scum "vigs" can make multiple kills,why would scum go for a power they already have?
It would be like scum "masons" it just makes no sense.
Admitedly theres a very small chance noone picked it,but i know its what i would have chosen had I drafted higher,its not just powerful for town its pretty gratifying to be able to vig players,puts you in the drivers seat.
Im confident theres a vig.
Scum are likely the ones who went for bulletproof,tailor,RB,busdriver and empowerer,of course a couple townies may have grabbed these as secondary choices but they seem the top choices for scum to me.
Now that dakky and mitch have claimed vanilla fo you all think its worth it to know what roles they asked for?
It may expose one in a lie if the player who has actually got said role is lower on the draft then they are.
If said player is higher drafted we can just all keep quiet and scum will learn very little.
Scum only learns anything if they are caught lying.

[madmitch]

I guess it does not matter now, but I went for the watcher role , I just hope one of us guys took it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

NO NO NO NO NO NO

DONT CLAIM ROLE. DONT CLAIM ROLE OF OTHERS.

JUST STOP CLAIMING

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mafia and SK will choose roles as well - they may use any night actions from their roles in addition to their normal faction kill.

And for the record, there could be a two kill sk out there

[Streaker]

Will be able to post more tomorrow, but after a quick read I'd bet mitch and daily are leaning town. Based on fail claiming.
Didn't like the plowed wing interaction at all. Especially more on this when I can read properly tomorrow.

Endgame I didn't like him drawing attention to the gig.

On phone autocorrelation probably messed a bit up sorry

[Marashu]

DAILY VOTE COUNT

Hotshot: Epi, Endgame
Marashu: Whatsausage
Sausage: Mets, Tim
ptlowe: Wing
Endgame: AoG
Epi: dazza
Tim: ptlowe, dakky, madmitch
dazza: benga

Not voting:Streaker, virus, HotShot

Deadline is 1200CCT, Sept 27. With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

[benga]

NO NO NO NO NO NO

DONT CLAIM ROLE. DONT CLAIM ROLE OF OTHERS.

JUST STOP CLAIMING

stop revealing yourself, like this it looks like you have power role, either mafia or town

[Army of GOD]

haha oh god

this is such a mess. Everyone's pointing fingers and there isn't any sense of a clear D1 vote.


there has been a lot of questionable logic so far. All I know for sure is that power roles are more likely to be at the top of the draft, but role does not equate to a alignment.

I think we should focus on the bottom of the draft. We're less likely to hit a power role player so it seems low risk-high reward.

I'll unvote vote ptlowe for the time being since his "if I'm town, wing is scum" comment was weird at best. And I don't really want to splinter the vote even further.

[Epitaph1]

NO NO NO NO NO NO

DONT CLAIM ROLE. DONT CLAIM ROLE OF OTHERS.

JUST STOP CLAIMING

+1

Guys, seriously: stop claiming and don't say what roles you didn't get. The only way we can use the information about what roles you didn't get is when other people claim later.

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Slight scum read on me, huh wing? Because I didn't like that you had a "strong" scum read on a player after 2 posts? Your quote of me completely missed my point. I don't know what to think about you right now: you're talking a lot and trying to mix stuff up but I don't think you've provided many good reads so far.

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That said, I'm not pressuring anyone in the top 5 of the draft order today unless he does something egregious. The top 5 people are prime targets for night actions and will probably get sorted within the first 2 nights as they either get killed or checked by the cop or tracked or whatevs. I know dazza has been quiet, but he's also had people in from out of town the past 3-4 days. He should speak up and his lack of input is noted, but he's not a D1 pressure.

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Regarding draft order and whom to pressure: so, we know that scum/SK have the same chance to be at the bottom and the top. And as I just said, I'm not pressuring anyone in the top third of the game. So, looking at the second and third tiers, I'm leaning town on mitch and dakky.

Need to hear more from HotShot, Streaker, sausage, Army of God, benga and virus. After looking at their posts, I would be on board with pressuring any of them. These guys are in the bottom two tiers and really haven't added anything to the conversation. I'm willing to cut Streaker a little slack so far since he said he would be gone, but I expect him to pick it up. Heck, I expect everyone listed to pick it up.

What does everyone think of six people listed in bold?

fpd

I agree in part, disagree in part. ptolwe doesn't crack my top list of suspects.

[Endgame422]

Epi defendind dazza here but pushing the "inactives" makes no sense.
Dazza is drfinetly the worst offender with only like 5 words in the whole thread.
Id lynch daz today just to have one less inactive player and take my chances on him potentially being scum.

[TimWoodbury]

haha oh god
I'll unvote vote ptlowe for the time being since his "if I'm town, wing is scum" comment was weird at best. And I don't really want to splinter the vote even further.

dont say this pt will say you look like skum as its his whole reason of thinking im skum wait i know me and you must be skum partners

[TimWoodbury]

I think we should focus on the bottom of the draft. We're less likely to hit a power role player so it seems low risk-high reward.

EBWOP
ops deleated the wrong part my ad
thats what i ent to quote on my above response

[Whatsausage]

I also agree with the not claiming for no reason. This knowledge becomes useless the moment it is stated, while if you hold it, there is a chance of catching someone in a lie.

Another reason I dislike these claims, they are easy to make and then take yourself off the radar as there would be less to gain from pressuring you.
Of course there is always the chance you are getting a fakeclaim out early to protect yourself (while this may or may not be faction indicative, it is more of a scum move to me, because if you were town and found a power role near the bottom, you would likely be relatively safe at night)

@endgame, it has already been stated that vig kill is in addition to vig kill, so I suppose it is most likely that you just neglected to read that part of the rules, but it is still quite a bold claim to have made with certainty like you did.

As for how to move forward, if we don't have anything solid at the end of the day, I would say the best lynch to make would be a more inactive player towards the bottom of the draft order. Draft order is not alignment indicative (I suppose it is possible that factions were determined off this as has been theorized, but I don't think there is any use chasing this, as even if it were true we would have no idea what marachu would decide is balanced) but I would rather risk losing a VT than a power role. I really don't want to risk lynching the bomb which is likely a high draft choice that could take out scum searching for enemy PR's high on the list.

But, since we have lots of time left, we should do more scum hunting before we resort back to that plan.

As for the inactive list, epi says dazza has an excuse, streaker said he would be gone, virus is often like this, I believe AOG has contributed enough that I don't believe he should be an inactive target.

That leaves hotshot and benga. Benga has been a popular target due to his bottom draft position. He could be a good target in case we have little at the end of the day.

That leaves hotshot. He started off with a vote on benga with a seemingly serious reason. After being questioned on this, he backed off and said it was a joke vote. Since he has made a couple posts where he has reiterated that his vote was a joke vote, and has called people out for claiming VT unpressured and endgame for his certain statement on there being a town vig. These are good call outs to make, but when they have nothing alongside them, I see someone making "positive" contributions without taking a stance on anyone and risking making enemies.
So I think this is a good place for some Day 1 pressure, unvote vote hotshot

FP'd by tim twice

As for ptlowe, while I see how it may ruffle some feathers and it isn't really good gameplay, I can understand where he is coming from with his theory that scum would want him dead and his leading opponent would be scum. Also tim and AOG, it is a little scummy to flat out plan to only focus on the bottom of the order. While I believe it ultimately will be the best choice to lynch from the bottom of the order, our focus should be on the scummiest players regardless of draft position. The bottom is only a better choice is all other things are equal.

[Epitaph1]

Epi defendind dazza here but pushing the "inactives" makes no sense.
Dazza is drfinetly the worst offender with only like 5 words in the whole thread.
Id lynch daz today just to have one less inactive player and take my chances on him potentially being scum.

As I stated in my last post, the top 5 people in the draft will take care of themselves in the first two nights. Counting dazza and the other people I listed in bold, we have 7 people we could push for being inactive. I'd rather not push someone who has a better chance of having a good role when so many other people are guilty of the same crime.

fpd

I agree for the most part. I bet the bomb is in the top five people (have fun thinking about that, scumbags). However, I actually think AoG is in the top three scummiest.

[Metsfanmax]

@Whatsausage: the roles list says that the bomb only activates if killed at night.

[Whatsausage]

@Whatsausage: the roles list says that the bomb only activates if killed at night.

Correct, which is why I don't want to waste it during the day, when it can only take out scum if it is used at night unless we have a vig that makes a mistake.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Tim stop being a jerk and play the game. Who do you see as scum, who do you see as town?

Re Scum wanting Ptlowe dead. Why? With that draft position? I doubt it.

[Army of GOD]

why are we assuming the bomb is town? scum could've easily chosen it as well...there are the very least 2 factions trying to kill any player at a time, 3 if you're town or if the vig is on another faction.

bomb would help any player on any faction

[Whatsausage]

Tim stop being a jerk and play the game. Who do you see as scum, who do you see as town?

Re Scum wanting Ptlowe dead. Why? With that draft position? I doubt it.

How do you feel about hotshot?

And I believe his thinking was that he had the correct scum in his last game, so he thinks he has again and the scum are trying to take him out before he can convince others. Is this close pt?

why are we assuming the bomb is town? scum could've easily chosen it as well...there are the very least 2 factions trying to kill any player at a time, 3 if you're town or if the vig is on another faction.

bomb would help any player on any faction

Well except for the sk really, but part of me hopes that the bomb is a scum member. This does make it less likely they will be the target of a kill, but if they are, that makes for some serious scum on scum crime