Somebody Needs to Be Held Accountable! (Why Not Married?)

[Night Strike]

I like how all these guys are up in arms over this one crazy lady and her dozen kids needing assistance, but would be equally as outraged (if not more) if she had wanted to legally abort those kids before they became mouths to feed.

Yep. She could have been more responsible by either using birth control or not marrying someone who wound up in jail.

And by the way, my problem with her is her greed. She has utter contempt for those who are already giving her way more than she deserves instead of being grateful for their help.

[Baron Von PWN]

The confirmation bias is strong in this thread. Also the self righteous condemnations.

[Army of GOD]

The confirmation bias is strong in this thread. Also the self righteous condemnations.

True, but it does swing both ways.

Anyway, someone should remove the mother in the OP's vagina.



(hahaha, that can be read two ways: either someone should remove the vagina of the mother in the OP or Phatscotty has a mother inside of his vagina)

[stahrgazer]

I like how all these guys are up in arms over this one crazy lady and her dozen kids needing assistance, but would be equally as outraged (if not more) if she had wanted to legally abort those kids before they became mouths to feed.

Yep. She could have been more responsible by either using birth control or not marrying someone who wound up in jail.

And by the way, my problem with her is her greed. She has utter contempt for those who are already giving her way more than she deserves instead of being grateful for their help.

I have utter contempt for those who, as dave points out, get all up in arms about abortion, then resent that a woman who believes her kids, "are a gift from god," so she has a lot of them, wants PROPER assistance to care for the gifts.

I have utter contempt, as well, for those who blame the woman for not being on birth control or for not being mind-reader enough to know in advance that her fiance will go to jail.

Birth control isn't 100% and some of the same religions that are severely against abortion are the same religions that are severely against birth control.

The woman may not be the sharpest tack in the street as regards her choice in men, but she was, apparently, attempting to do the right thing by getting engaged/married to someone.

She's not grateful for inadequate assistance, but maybe if she had what she felt was adequate assistance, she would be.

The same government that gave her kids back to her apparently promised to help.

Meanwhile, even though there are government programs, there's absolutely NOTHING forbidding "private charity" to step in where the government program is failing. And yet, this woman's kids still don't have shoes, proper things to eat, an adequate place to stay, proper transportation for school.

I don't like having to pay for someone else's kids, but most of my property taxes go for THEIR schools anyway. People don't complain about building an education system, but complain about giving someone shelter, food, clothing, and medical treatment. People protest abortion, then gripe about someone who agrees abortion is wrong.

Abstinence? Heck, you read all the time, not even priests who have made sacred VOWS to be abstinent, always remain abstinent...and they are non-abstinent, frequently, with little boys trusted to their care. At least this woman is messing around with men, not children trusted to her... and you expect the average person to be more perfect than that?

Nothing is perfect.

This woman proves she's not perfect.

But just how many boots is she expected to lick to "be grateful" for inadequate support from a series of government and private programs that apparently promised to help her care for those "God's gifts" properly.

[Army of GOD]

I like how all these guys are up in arms over this one crazy lady and her dozen kids needing assistance, but would be equally as outraged (if not more) if she had wanted to legally abort those kids before they became mouths to feed.

Yep. She could have been more responsible by either using birth control or not marrying someone who wound up in jail.

And by the way, my problem with her is her greed. She has utter contempt for those who are already giving her way more than she deserves instead of being grateful for their help.

I have utter contempt for those who, as dave points out, get all up in arms about abortion, then resent that a woman who believes her kids, "are a gift from god," so she has a lot of them, wants PROPER assistance to care for the gifts.

I have utter contempt, as well, for those who blame the woman for not being on birth control or for not being mind-reader enough to know in advance that her fiance will go to jail.

Birth control isn't 100% and some of the same religions that are severely against abortion are the same religions that are severely against birth control.

The woman may not be the sharpest tack in the street as regards her choice in men, but she was, apparently, attempting to do the right thing by getting engaged/married to someone.

She's not grateful for inadequate assistance, but maybe if she had what she felt was adequate assistance, she would be.

The same government that gave her kids back to her apparently promised to help.

Meanwhile, even though there are government programs, there's absolutely NOTHING forbidding "private charity" to step in where the government program is failing. And yet, this woman's kids still don't have shoes, proper things to eat, an adequate place to stay, proper transportation for school.

I don't like having to pay for someone else's kids, but most of my property taxes go for THEIR schools anyway. People don't complain about building an education system, but complain about giving someone shelter, food, clothing, and medical treatment. People protest abortion, then gripe about someone who agrees abortion is wrong.

Abstinence? Heck, you read all the time, not even priests who have made sacred VOWS to be abstinent, always remain abstinent...and they are non-abstinent, frequently, with little boys trusted to their care. At least this woman is messing around with men, not children trusted to her... and you expect the average person to be more perfect than that?

Nothing is perfect.

This woman proves she's not perfect.

But just how many boots is she expected to lick to "be grateful" for inadequate support from a series of government and private programs that apparently promised to help her care for those "God's gifts" properly.

I'm sorry but no. Public welfare isn't all bad, but this case specifically is just complete shit and it's obvious she's taking advantage of the system.

She should have her tubes forcibly tied, her children should be taken away from her and she should be forced to watch reruns of the Simpsons.

[BigBallinStalin]

TWIST THOSE TUBES. EUGENICS FTW!

[pimpdave]

Won't someone please think of the memes children?!

[PLAYER57832]

The more kids you have, the more money welfare gives you.

But there is no way this woman is like that.

If you are married, if you are male, you don't get the help. But, that can be fixed without turning the system private.

In fact, the private systems are far LESS efficent and far more rife with abuse. Because, the truth is that even today, a poor woman with kids hanging on is far more likely to get sympathy than a stable family that just needs a little help to get by until the next job.

What the hell are you talking about?

My post is about people who only have children to max out welfare checks.

Yes, because you believe in stereotypes and trotting them out as reasons to destroy the whole system.

I, on the other hand, look at why the problems were created. In this case, the problem came about because so many men believed that women were inferior to men, unable to get a job and really should just stay home taking care of kids, even if that meant the state had to provide for them.

A LOT of aid out there is geared toward single women with kids, ONLY. Fix that, and you fix a big part of the above problem.

Beyond that, you get abuses no matter what. Privatizing won't do away with that, in fact, it will make it worse... because it DOES and DID.

[PLAYER57832]

MFW I realised you were hatin' on welfare.

We aren't hating on welfare, we're hating on greedy people. When your entire family is living off welfare and the donations of others, you shouldn't be demanding that they do even more to take care of you. You appreciate the assistance and then work to no longer need the assistance. Greed demands even more, which is what this woman is doing.

This is true, but you are twisting into something that happened because of government assistance, not because some people are greedy jerks.

AND, your "solution".. to privatize it, is, based no proof that exists, not a real solution. BUT... you could care less about real data or examples.

[PLAYER57832]

I like how all these guys are up in arms over this one crazy lady and her dozen kids needing assistance, but would be equally as outraged (if not more) if she had wanted to legally abort those kids before they became mouths to feed.

This bears repeating.

Phattscotty and Nightstrike are alike in many things, but Nightstrike is the one adamantly against abortion. Phattscotty is just against having anyone pay for anything for anyone else.

[comic boy]

Night Strike I am fully aware that your version of ' Christian values ' is uniquely warped but even you must see that compassion is in order here rather than another giant dose of fanciful dogma. I really dont know what history you read at school but I think its time you picked up a copy of the Grapes of Wrath , then you might understand why welfare is paramount in any civilised society .
This women is the epitomy of failure , I would say she has been let down by pretty much everybody , parents , the education system , church , social services and heathcare officials are all at fault. Its all very well blaming this individual for her lifestyle ' choices ' but she clearly has mental problems, at the very least she is delusional , are you only interested in protecting the 'innocent' before they are born ?
I understand that you would rather gloat self rightously then actually make things better but if you ever decide to adopt true moral principles then work towards helping people not against them.
Welfare is abused , no doubt about it , and targeting aid towards those in real need should be the priority of us all , throw away your 'Little House on the Prairie ' fantasies and instead work towards a fairer and more equitable society.....that after all is what your Jesus teaches you.

[Johnny Rockets]

TWIST THOSE TUBES. EUGENICS FTW!

Amen.


JRock

[TheProwler]

The government should seize the children and develop them into Super Soldiers.

[Night Strike]

Stahrgazer, what is that dribble you posted? I'm not even going to bother quoting it here because it's so completely out in left field in regards to this topic. How on earth is it SOCIETY'S job to take care of this woman's children?? She had the children, so SHE is the one who is responsible for providing for them. Society has already done more than required with buying her furniture, paying her rent, etc., yet she thinks she is allowed to demand more from them. Why is she sitting on her ass at home while all these people give her assistance?? Why isn't she out working to earn at least something to pay her own bills? If she has 15 kids, surely a few of them are old enough to have a job. Why aren't they working to help out their family? You have no right to demand more money from society when you refuse to earn money yourself. It's as simple as that.

[Aradhus]

ok, seriees time now mr Strike. May I call you mr Strike?

Anyway, seritime, between me and you, forget everyone else. Truth now, broui. When you were watching that video, were you masturbating?

[Night Strike]

ok, seriees time now mr Strike. May I call you mr Strike?

Anyway, seritime, between me and you, forget everyone else. Truth now, broui. When you were watching that video, were you masturbating?

1. Speak English.
2. I didn't watch the video in this thread because I had already heard the story on the radio.

[Aradhus]

ok, seriees time now mr Strike. May I call you mr Strike?

Anyway, seritime, between me and you, forget everyone else. Truth now, broui. When you were watching that video, were you masturbating?

1. Speak English.

Racist!

2. I didn't watch the video in this thread because I had already heard the story on the radio.

So you masturbated while listening to the story on the radio, ok. I hear ya.

[Night Strike]

2. I didn't watch the video in this thread because I had already heard the story on the radio.

So you masturbated while listening to the story on the radio, ok. I hear ya.

No.

[Army of GOD]

I masturbated.

[rockfist]

Stahrgazer, what is that dribble you posted? I'm not even going to bother quoting it here because it's so completely out in left field in regards to this topic. How on earth is it SOCIETY'S job to take care of this woman's children?? She had the children, so SHE is the one who is responsible for providing for them. Society has already done more than required with buying her furniture, paying her rent, etc., yet she thinks she is allowed to demand more from them. Why is she sitting on her ass at home while all these people give her assistance?? Why isn't she out working to earn at least something to pay her own bills? If she has 15 kids, surely a few of them are old enough to have a job. Why aren't they working to help out their family? You have no right to demand more money from society when you refuse to earn money yourself. It's as simple as that.

You aren't going to make any impression on some of these bleeding hearts with this. I'm not sure I agree with it in full though, I think you can demand anything you want...but if you make too many unreasonable demands you should expect people to be unreasonable in return.

[BigBallinStalin]

I think when PEOPLE post in this THREAD they should use MROE CAPITAL LETTRES!!!!!

[Baron Von PWN]

The confirmation bias is strong in this thread. Also the self righteous condemnations.

True, but it does swing both ways.

Anyway, someone should remove the mother in the OP's vagina.



(hahaha, that can be read two ways: either someone should remove the vagina of the mother in the OP or Phatscotty has a mother inside of his vagina)

too true, too true. I read it as the motherhood capabilities of the mother in question should be removed. As in remove her ovaries.

With regards to the lady, sounds like she is irresponsible, however its very easy to judge from afar. I hope other posters will forgive me for saying ole Glen may not be showing the whole story.

[Lootifer]

Love your work Aradhus

[Phatscotty]

The confirmation bias is strong in this thread. Also the self righteous condemnations.

you can confirm people don't like being forced to give something to someone that they themselves have to earn.

it's called being responsible and accountable, not self righteous condemnation.

[Phatscotty]

I like how all these guys are up in arms over this one crazy lady and her dozen kids needing assistance, but would be equally as outraged (if not more) if she had wanted to legally abort those kids before they became mouths to feed.

Yep. She could have been more responsible by either using birth control or not marrying someone who wound up in jail.

And by the way, my problem with her is her greed. She has utter contempt for those who are already giving her way more than she deserves instead of being grateful for their help.

I have utter contempt for those who, as dave points out, get all up in arms about abortion, then resent that a woman who believes her kids, "are a gift from god," so she has a lot of them, wants PROPER assistance to care for the gifts.

Are you sure the children are gifts from god? You might have a tiny tiny small reason in this case to believe every child is an extra 300$ on a welfare check. Call me crazy tho