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Somebody Needs to Be Held Accountable! (Why Not Married?)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E

"Somebody has to pay!" Other people have already been paying. Her rent is payed by other people, her utilities are paid for, her food is given to the family for free, all her furniture was given to her for free, but according to Angel "It's not enough." She demands a large house now. "The system" has to give her a house for free.

It's pretty clear it's the system that is broken, not the mother, and for sure not the father who is in prison.

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TAMPA - The din of a room at the Economy Inn on East Busch Boulevard is nearly deafening at times.

Twelve children ranging from teenagers to toddlers to infants are here, scrambling across the floor, bouncing on beds. With eyes filled with resignation, they are hungry and dirty and they wear the same clothes they wore the day before and the day before that.

Mom is asking for help, saying she is homeless and hopeless. A relative paid for the hotel room for a week, and after that, who knows. Her fiancé is in prison. Her 1-year-old is named John The Baptist Brown.

Angel Adams is indignant when asked about her situation, saying somebody owes her. The lifelong Tampa resident says she wants justice from the Hillsborough County sheriff's child protection team that took her kids away from her two years ago and from Hillsborough Kids Inc., which got her kids back six months ago.

"What do I do?" she says. "I have no answers. My family has been railroaded. Someone needs to pay.
"Nobody's helping me."

Inside the dingy motel, Adams hands out a list of her children and their ages. Across the top: "Three fathers. One Mother. Fifteen Children."

Food is donated. They get Cuban sandwiches and packaged noodles. There's a microwave and mini refrigerator. No stove. One sink, one toilet, one shower. Everyone's barefoot, walking on a dirty, stained green carpet.

The dull smell of dirty diapers fills the room. Jerome, 11, gives Andrew, 6 months, a bottle. "This is not comfortable," Jerome says.

The baby coughs and spits up.

"The girls sleep on one bed," Adams says. "The boys sleep on the other. I just crash on the floor."

The 12 kids are the youngest of 15 altogether, she says. Three have "aged out," meaning they have turned 18 and are on their own, no longer a part of the child welfare system.

"I can have as many as I want to," she says. All her kids, she adds, "are gifts from God."

The 37-year-old mother doesn't work. "This is my work," she says gesturing toward the throng of children. "I do this all by myself."

She says she has needs and she wants Hillsborough Kids to take care of that.

"I need a house," she says, "a big enough home to be comfortable. The kids are scared. I'm scared."

She says she had an $800-a-month, two-bedroom apartment that was paid for by Hillsborough Kids, but she was evicted last week.

So, she sits amid her children, wondering what will happen next week.

"I don't know what I'm going to do," she says. The system, she says, "is not hearing me. This is a revolving door going nowhere."

Hillsborough Kids spokesman Elaine Olszewski said that's not the case. There is a system of support at work behind the scenes and by next week, she says, Adams likely will be in a home that will be big enough to accommodate her children.

Case managers have been in constant contact with Adams, she says, and the case is about to close. To close a case, social workers make sure all the requirements of a safe wholesome environment exist for the children and a judge signs an order.

Hillsborough Kids, which manages child welfare in the county, is working with Metropolitan Ministries to arrange a place to stay for Adams and should have one ready by next week.

"They are working on it," Olszewski says. "As far as we are concerned, this really isn't a story."

She said the children were taken away by sheriff's deputies two years ago, but were reunited with Adams six months ago, when she was set up in an apartment off North Boulevard near of Columbus Drive. A home-study report was completed to the satisfaction of everyone involved, she says.

"A judge ruled the situation sufficient," Olszewski says. The eviction involved "other issues, not having to do with us," she says.

Typically, single moms in similar situations have frequent visits by case workers, who work with charities in the community and coordinate grant money to pay for services.

"It's on a case-by-case basis," she says. "It's not that we would financially support them, but we are connected to community partners that provide assistance."

The goal when children are removed from the home is to get them back with biological parents, she said, and caseworkers try to work to that end, she says.

"Children always are better with their biological parents," she says. "Once we determine they are safe and everything is appropriate, there's a six-month period when they still are technically in the system. We continue to monitor the kids."

She says all the children of school age are enrolled and going to school, although Adams says they have not gone to school since she took up residence in the hotel. She says she can't get them to school.

"There's a lot of support out there," Olszewski says, "and we kind of direct them. She has the support from the community, churches and family members."

Once all requirements are met, a court hearing is scheduled and a judge signs off on it and the case is closed, Olszewski says.

"It was supposed to have happened last week," but something came up in the courtroom, she says. "It should be this week."
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I'm glad you took some time to find this story because I heard it yesterday on Beck's radio program and was outraged. NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING!!!! If you choose to have 15 kids with 3 different men and can't provide for them, then get off your lazy ass and find a way to provide! Why should the rest of us be forced to pay for your choices?

Furthermore, it sounds like the local people (and maybe even the government) have gone out of their way to help out this woman and her family, yet she STILL IS NOT GRATEFUL for what they have done. Instead of thanking them for their help, she is demanding that they do more. While she does absolutely nothing. Makes me sick to think that people can actually behave like that.
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Night Strike wrote:I'm glad you took some time to find this story because I heard it yesterday on Beck's radio program and was outraged. NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING!!!! If you choose to have 15 kids with 3 different men and can't provide for them, then get off your lazy ass and find a way to provide! Why should the rest of us be forced to pay for your choices?

Furthermore, it sounds like the local people (and maybe even the government) have gone out of their way to help out this woman and her family, yet she STILL IS NOT GRATEFUL for what they have done. Instead of thanking them for their help, she is demanding that they do more. While she does absolutely nothing. Makes me sick to think that people can actually behave like that.
Interestingly, myself and others have made this same point on many other various topics over the years.

Don't tell me those oldest kids can not go and mow a lawn or shovel a driveway. Hmmm, I wonder why their work ethic is non-existent? And why can't the 3 kids who are over 18 and out of the house chip in some money and time to help the family. I think we all know the answer to that one, and I would bet money they older children have not even thought about it.

Oh yeah, and I LOVE the opening statement on the youtube link "She says she's asked for help, but to no avail. Has the system failed her?" SHE HAS BEEN GETTING HELP WITH EVERYTHING! So now we gotta ask, how do you get evicted from your home that you don't even have to pay for? Again, we all know the answer to that.

THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN ENABLING HER FAIL FOR SO LONG IN SO MANY WAYS FAIL IS ALL SHE KNOWS. Great glimpse at the liberal marxist utopia as well.
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This is why government welfare and social transfer payment programs should not exist. People, like this lady or Ocotomom are abusing each taxpaying member of society - and their own children.

If we relied on private charity to fund things, there would be some common sense. Like Ok you have three kids that you can't pay for, if you have a fourth you are cut off.
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This is the Feel Good Thread of the Day.
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Aradhus wrote:So, who we hatin' on today guys?
Greedy people.
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Aradhus wrote:MFW I realised you were hatin' on welfare.
We aren't hating on welfare, we're hating on greedy people. When your entire family is living off welfare and the donations of others, you shouldn't be demanding that they do even more to take care of you. You appreciate the assistance and then work to no longer need the assistance. Greed demands even more, which is what this woman is doing.
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Aradhus wrote:MFW I realised you were hatin' on welfare.
There is so much to love about the results of the welfare system on this family, it's impossible to hate.
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Scotty thanks for pissin' me off this morning :lol: just ugh with people like this!
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rockfist wrote:This is why government welfare and social transfer payment programs should not exist. People, like this lady or Ocotomom are abusing each taxpaying member of society - and their own children.

If we relied on private charity to fund things, there would be some common sense. Like Ok you have three kids that you can't pay for, if you have a fourth you are cut off.
You are dreaming.

All privatizing will do is ensure that some people, those with the loudest voices, most relatives or who are willing to sing whatever dance the donors want (religion, creed, etc) get aid and others do not.

I can give you part of an example in my town, though I have to leave out significant details. There is a family who's father is ill. They have several kids. The couple is married, the disease is a genetic one without a cure (similar to Lou Gerig's, I am told). Anyway, they have gotten a LOT of sympathy and help. Except...
Except they need food, but seem to think buying a Friday pizza is somehow mandatory. When they were given money for bills, it went instead to Walmart to get toys and junk food for the kids. Several churches held fundraisers, but when they used the money to pay off the families' bills, the mother was "perturbed"... anyway, several have turned their back on this family. Even so, articles appear in the paper regulary and every time someone new to the area (we have a lot of Marsallas gas drillers here, for example) will donate to them. I give those donators credit, we ALL do!

Anyway, another family, lived in a housing unit that was dilapidated. Most people assumed they were on welfare or Section 8, but they were not. They were not the kind who dresses in top fashions and they rarely attended church, but they were not "bad" people. (not thieves, not drug users, etc). When their house burned, rumors flew that it was drugs, that this family was at fault.... They got only very minimal help. Clothing, Red Cross food help. This family is struggling, but not out crying for help.

OR, I can point to another family that has 3 family members with cancer. ! was cured, 1 died and now another has a different form of cancer. They did take help from a fundraiser after the funers. Other than that, they get some quiet, private help. When asked, they usually say they are "OK", because they are on Medicaid , have a house that was already paid for, and are just plain grateful for what they have. Some of us who know them manage to give them occasional produce or other gifts.

Now, you could say that that last is an example of what should happen, the second of what should not and the first... well, you judge.


MY point? If it were not for basically anonymous government help the last 2 would likely be on the street. The second would have 3 family members dead, not just 1 (did I mention the one cured was a child?). The first probably would get taken care of, much as they are now.

THAT is the reality of today's system. AND, for all you want to pick up and point to a few idiots who abuse the system, the truth is that there is a LOT we can do to keep the idiots from being more abusive that come far short of destroying it all.

The reason we have tax payer funded, universal support systems, such as we have, is becuase private donations CANNOT and NEVER DID keep up with the need. Private donations are OK for getting folks to donate to "cute kids and puppies." You can get some support for "causes" like veterans and such. However, even in that, when it comes to daily grind stuff or buying things like shampoo and toilet paper instead of kidneys... people don't see the need, don't feel as "heroic" and just don't step forward.

The TRUTH is that private donations result in nonsensical duplication, extreme inefficiency and far more abuse than public ones do.

BUT, hey, why ask you to even bother checking. If you had, you would know what I am saying is true already.
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No, we have the government because they wanted to make people dependent on them, not because private donations weren't enough. They successfully propagandized that they were the only ones big enough to help everybody, and the country has gone downhill ever since. There are more people in poverty BECAUSE OF government than those who were lifted out by the government.
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I like how all these guys are up in arms over this one crazy lady and her dozen kids needing assistance, but would be equally as outraged (if not more) if she had wanted to legally abort those kids before they became mouths to feed.
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The more kids you have, the more money welfare gives you.

But there is no way this woman is like that.
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Night Strike wrote:No, we have the government because they wanted to make people dependent on them, not because private donations weren't enough. They successfully propagandized that they were the only ones big enough to help everybody, and the country has gone downhill ever since. There are more people in poverty BECAUSE OF government than those who were lifted out by the government.
Try looking at the data, for once.

Ever hear of the dust bowl? Or really look into how much our country benefitted from the Work programs and CCC?

OF COURSE NOT! Because you have been fed a load of bull that says that since those people were not immediately out building factories, it was a "net loss". The fact is that those programs are a big reason why we have such a wonderful National Park System. They are why, even today, we have recordings of poor Mississippi blues singers, native speakers and the vast myriad tapestry of folks that made up our country back then. Those are things that are still generating benefits today and that will continue to do so.

AND, you ignore the real and true impact of the GI bill and logging of Federal lands in building this country, quite literally. If it were not for those things, millions of veterans would have gone on the "dole" (as it was known then) or been relegated to menial jobs without much training. If it were not for logging the forests, there would not have been the wood in this country that supplied the housing and factory building booms.

You lived through the tech bubble and seem to think that made this country. It was an illusion, that masked a downfall that began NOT becuase of the federal programs, but becuase a bunch of powerful and wealthy individuals decided they had to get wealthier and knew the rest of the country was stupid enough to believe their rhetoric.
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Phatscotty wrote:The more kids you have, the more money welfare gives you.

But there is no way this woman is like that.
If you are married, if you are male, you don't get the help. But, that can be fixed without turning the system private.

In fact, the private systems are far LESS efficent and far more rife with abuse. Because, the truth is that even today, a poor woman with kids hanging on is far more likely to get sympathy than a stable family that just needs a little help to get by until the next job.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The more kids you have, the more money welfare gives you.

But there is no way this woman is like that.
If you are married, if you are male, you don't get the help. But, that can be fixed without turning the system private.

In fact, the private systems are far LESS efficent and far more rife with abuse. Because, the truth is that even today, a poor woman with kids hanging on is far more likely to get sympathy than a stable family that just needs a little help to get by until the next job.
What the hell are you talking about?

My post is about people who only have children to max out welfare checks.
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Phatscotty wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The more kids you have, the more money welfare gives you.

But there is no way this woman is like that.
If you are married, if you are male, you don't get the help. But, that can be fixed without turning the system private.

In fact, the private systems are far LESS efficent and far more rife with abuse. Because, the truth is that even today, a poor woman with kids hanging on is far more likely to get sympathy than a stable family that just needs a little help to get by until the next job.
What the hell are you talking about?

My post is about people who only have children to max out welfare checks.
These people mostly exist in your mind, you do realize.
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spurgistan wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The more kids you have, the more money welfare gives you.

But there is no way this woman is like that.
If you are married, if you are male, you don't get the help. But, that can be fixed without turning the system private.

In fact, the private systems are far LESS efficent and far more rife with abuse. Because, the truth is that even today, a poor woman with kids hanging on is far more likely to get sympathy than a stable family that just needs a little help to get by until the next job.
What the hell are you talking about?

My post is about people who only have children to max out welfare checks.
These people mostly exist in your mind, you do realize.
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pimpdave wrote:I like how all these guys are up in arms over this one crazy lady and her dozen kids needing assistance, but would be equally as outraged (if not more) if she had wanted to legally abort those kids before they became mouths to feed.
This bears repeating.
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BigBallinStalin wrote:
pimpdave wrote:I like how all these guys are up in arms over this one crazy lady and her dozen kids needing assistance, but would be equally as outraged (if not more) if she had wanted to legally abort those kids before they became mouths to feed.
This bears repeating.
You can't increase the amount of your welfare check if you abort the baby.

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Aradhus wrote:
spurgistan wrote:These people mostly exist in your mind, you do realize.
Phatscotty wrote: and in this thread...
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I'll be utterly shocked if these children become criminals.
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