When the Pope Dies

[natty dread]

Rape is a classic case of 'it takes two to tango'. Women create rape when they say 'no'. If women said 'yes' then rape could never occur. They are the creators of this blight on our society.

Something to think about.

Wow, that is like the most assholish thing anyone has said here in a long time. How the f*ck do you live with yourself?

[zimmah]

What's so funny? Do you think that every decision should have exactly zero consequences? You don't get to just make decisions that have positive consequences. Bad consequences exist also.

God created us in his image. We sin. Therefore God sins.

f*ck God, that hypocrite.

Logic fail. We were made in his image in that we have free will to choose what we will do. We chose to sin, He did not.

Um, I thought the fruit was "the knowledge of good and evil".
How can you sin if you don't know the difference? God says "Don't do this", but you don't know that it's wrong to do it until you do it. Then it's your fault for not knowing it was wrong before you discovered what "right and wrong" are.

that's pretty much it.

the actual sin was, by eating the fruit (of knowledge of good and evil) they basically said to god: "you know what, we know what is good and evil know, so we can make our own decisions, we no longer need you to tell us what's right and wrong" whereas before eating the fruit, they were relying on god to tell them good and evil. It's not like they were robots before they ate the fruit, they did have the free will (if they didn't, it would be impossible to eat from the fruit in the first place). So the whole point is that humankind (as adam and eve actually were 100% of humankind back then, so it involves all humanity, as we're all descendants of adam and eve). basicly rebbeled against god, this is exactly why god is not (yet) acting against human government and not actively 'helping' to solve our problems (which are mostly self-inflicted). God is allowing us the opportunity to prove what he already knows. The fact that humankind is not able to reign themselves, and they need god's guidance to be succesfull. (Ecclesiastes 8:9 KJV: "All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: [there is] a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt.")

If god would solve all this problems, there would not be prove of the fact that humankind cannot solve their own problems, so that is why god allows for a 'short' period of time (several 1000 years), for humans to mess things up real bad, and when enough time has passed for humankind to beleive in the fact that humans just need guidance, he will restore things and he will guide us (or in fact his son will, since his son is the rightful heir of the throne, but that's a whole other subject). It's comparable to a good teacher, who is teaching one of his students that his statement is wrong, by allowing the student to explain his statement, until the student himself finds his statement is in fact wrong, allowing the student to discover what was wrong in his theory, rather then just saying "you're wrong, and i'm right because i'm the teacher and you're just a student". Ye, earth is kinda a big mess because of this, but it's the best possible way to solve things in my opinion, it actually makes sense. Yes, there would be other ways to solve it, but i don't think any solution would be better. (exactly what i would expect from a god, anyway).

luckily it will not be long before god will act. in fact, Jesus already got the throne (in heaven) on 1914. it will only be a matter of time before he extends his reach to earth.

[natty dread]

It is genetically impossible for 2 people to spawn an entire population of humans. Not enough genetic diversity.

[owenshooter]

i really can't believe that an educated rational human could believe in the concept of "hell"... it baffles my mind...-el Jesus negro

[zimmah]

It is genetically impossible for 2 people to spawn an entire population of humans. Not enough genetic diversity.

those 2 humans were directly created by god and designed to be perfect, they did not have flaws initially (they only got flaws after their sin, as a punishment of their sin). their DNA was still close to perfect even after their sin, and over time the DNA of their descendants started to be more and more flawed. Gene mutations could have happened in all those years since then. Gene mutations are proven, evolution can not be proven, because evolution does not exist. there's a limit to how much something can mutate before it becomes completely defective.

[zimmah]

i really can't believe that an educated rational human could believe in the concept of "hell"... it baffles my mind...-el Jesus negro

true, but hell has little to do with the bible, as it was invented by the pope, not by god.

[Aradhus]

true, but the bible has little to do with god, as it was written by liars, crackpots and charlatans, not by god.

[Aradhus]

true, but the bible has little to do with god, as it was written by liars, crackpots and charlatans, not by god.

true, but god has little to do with god, as he was invented by men, not by god.

[Aradhus]

true, but the bible has little to do with god, as it was written by liars, crackpots and charlatans, not by god.

true, but god has little to do with god, as he was invented by men, not by god.

True, but...wait a minute! This is a triple post.

[zimmah]

true, but the bible has little to do with god, as it was written by liars, crackpots and charlatans, not by god.

the bible is written by humans, but directed by god. it's written by humans for a reason too. god could have written it himself, but it's much better for humans to have humans as a teacher because it's more easy to relate to humans. that's also partly the reason why Jesus lowered himself to the status of human to sacrifice himself and give a human role-model. (besides that a human life had to be given to balance the weight of the first human live, but that's besides the point).

[barackattack]

Rape is a classic case of 'it takes two to tango'. Women create rape when they say 'no'. If women said 'yes' then rape could never occur. They are the creators of this blight on our society.

Something to think about.

Wow, that is like the most assholish thing anyone has said here in a long time. How the f*ck do you live with yourself?

Knowing that I am correct soothes my furrowed brow. It is logical that if a woman always consents to sex then that woman can never be raped.

That system is more fun for everyone and saves the courts wasting so much of their precious time. I'm just trying to help.

[natty dread]

It is genetically impossible for 2 people to spawn an entire population of humans. Not enough genetic diversity.

those 2 humans were directly created by god and designed to be perfect, they did not have flaws initially (they only got flaws after their sin, as a punishment of their sin). their DNA was still close to perfect even after their sin, and over time the DNA of their descendants started to be more and more flawed. Gene mutations could have happened in all those years since then.

Where in the bible is all of this mentioned? I searched, but I didn't find a single mention for DNA in the whole bible.

Also, genetics doesn't work like that.

Gene mutations are proven, evolution can not be proven, because evolution does not exist. there's a limit to how much something can mutate before it becomes completely defective.

Evolution does not what now? Oh my dog, you're one of those people... Well yeah, you can't prove something to someone who is willingly ignorant and refuses to see the facts as they are.

Evolution is a proven fact, it has been observed to happen. There's no such "mutation limit" since mutations are not inherently harmful, they can be beneficial or neutral.

Look up some actual science texts, instead of crackpot creationist sites. It'll do you a world of good.

[natty dread]

Rape is a classic case of 'it takes two to tango'. Women create rape when they say 'no'. If women said 'yes' then rape could never occur. They are the creators of this blight on our society.

Something to think about.

Wow, that is like the most assholish thing anyone has said here in a long time. How the f*ck do you live with yourself?

Knowing that I am correct soothes my furrowed brow. It is logical that if a woman always consents to sex then that woman can never be raped.

That system is more fun for everyone and saves the courts wasting so much of their precious time. I'm just trying to help.

No, you're making shitty rape jokes and being a fucking misogynist douchebag. Assholes like you should be castrated for the benefit of mankind.

[Army of GOD]

ITT: natty gets trolled

[barackattack]

No, you're making shitty rape jokes and being a fucking misogynist douchebag. Assholes like you should be castrated for the benefit of mankind.

Dude, why so feminist? Chill out and enjoy your life.

Castration is expensive and time-consuming - it's cheaper to just wear a condom if you're worried about STDs or pregnancy.

[Night Strike]

It is genetically impossible for 2 people to spawn an entire population of humans. Not enough genetic diversity.

those 2 humans were directly created by god and designed to be perfect, they did not have flaws initially (they only got flaws after their sin, as a punishment of their sin). their DNA was still close to perfect even after their sin, and over time the DNA of their descendants started to be more and more flawed. Gene mutations could have happened in all those years since then.

Where in the bible is all of this mentioned? I searched, but I didn't find a single mention for DNA in the whole bible.

Also, genetics doesn't work like that.

There is a specific passage in one of the books of the Torah (can't remember the exact spot) where God instructs the Israelities that they are no longer permitted to marry a person who is closely related to them. This has always indicated to me that once that point was reached, God stopped protecting the genetic line from becoming contaminated from relations with close family members and that there was enough variation in the genetic information to decrease the chance of an exponential growth of genetic defects.

[natty dread]

ITT: natty gets trolled

No, he doesn't. There's a line between "trolling" and being a total asshole. Some things are just not cool, even as a joke.

[Army of GOD]

ITT: natty gets trolled

No, he doesn't. There's a line between "trolling" and being a total asshole. Some things are just not cool, even as a joke.

[zimmah]

It is genetically impossible for 2 people to spawn an entire population of humans. Not enough genetic diversity.

those 2 humans were directly created by god and designed to be perfect, they did not have flaws initially (they only got flaws after their sin, as a punishment of their sin). their DNA was still close to perfect even after their sin, and over time the DNA of their descendants started to be more and more flawed. Gene mutations could have happened in all those years since then.

Where in the bible is all of this mentioned? I searched, but I didn't find a single mention for DNA in the whole bible.

Also, genetics doesn't work like that.

Gene mutations are proven, evolution can not be proven, because evolution does not exist. there's a limit to how much something can mutate before it becomes completely defective.

Evolution does not what now? Oh my dog, you're one of those people... Well yeah, you can't prove something to someone who is willingly ignorant and refuses to see the facts as they are.

Evolution is a proven fact, it has been observed to happen. There's no such "mutation limit" since mutations are not inherently harmful, they can be beneficial or neutral.

Look up some actual science texts, instead of crackpot creationist sites. It'll do you a world of good.

i'm not a creationist, and there's just no proof of evolution, because it can't happen. a species can not evolve into another speicies. mutations happen, mutation does not equal evolution. a fly is still a fly, no matter if it wings mutate to be bigger or smaller, it will never suddenly become a dragonfly, not even in a million year, and not even in a bazillion years, it will not happen, it's that simple. a gene can only mutate so much.

also, if evolution was possible, then logic would dictate creating life out of nowhere would be possible too. then why is it human can not create life (i'm not speaking of having babies or cloning, i am talking about creating life out of nowhere, or even taking 'non-complex' life and 'evolve' it into complex life.)

scientists were never even able to evolve even rapidly reproducing lifeforms like bacteria into anything even remotely more advanced. bacteria mutate to adapt, yes, but that is in no way anywhere close to evolving to more advanced lifeforms. no matter how much they mutate, they still remain bacteria, in fact, they even are limited to stay the same type of bacteria, they mutate only slightly, like all other lifeforms. human for example an mutate their skincolor, eye color, hair color, size, shape of nose/ears/etc. (some of those even during life) but they will never evolve into a being with wings, whiskers, gills, or 4 arms. i'm the one ignorant? you're making stuff up. science proves evolution wrong, archaeology proves the bible correct. i know which side i chose, i do respect your opinion, but don't make stuff up and sell it as truth, cuz science in no way proved evolution right.

and @ night strike, you may be very well correct in that conclusion. (i think you're reffering to leviticus chapter 18 btw.)

good to see at least some people don't think the bible is just an ancient version of LOTR.

[Timminz]

evolution can not be proven, because evolution does not exist.

Just like God.

Except your example is false.

[zimmah]

evolution can not be proven, because evolution does not exist.

Just like God.

Except your example is false.

you being alive is fact of the existence of god. to name just 1 example.

the universe being perfect is another.

[natty dread]

It is genetically impossible for 2 people to spawn an entire population of humans. Not enough genetic diversity.

those 2 humans were directly created by god and designed to be perfect, they did not have flaws initially (they only got flaws after their sin, as a punishment of their sin). their DNA was still close to perfect even after their sin, and over time the DNA of their descendants started to be more and more flawed. Gene mutations could have happened in all those years since then.

Where in the bible is all of this mentioned? I searched, but I didn't find a single mention for DNA in the whole bible.

Also, genetics doesn't work like that.

There is a specific passage in one of the books of the Torah (can't remember the exact spot) where God instructs the Israelities that they are no longer permitted to marry a person who is closely related to them. This has always indicated to me that once that point was reached, God stopped protecting the genetic line from becoming contaminated from relations with close family members and that there was enough variation in the genetic information to decrease the chance of an exponential growth of genetic defects.

Sadly, there isn't a single bit of evidence that would support your claim. All you have is some ancient fairy tales that you cherry-pick for anecdotes that sort of say something to the effect of what you want to believe. You're just cherry-picking stuff to support your pre-conceived beliefs.

The theory of evolution, however, is a scientific fact. There's loads and loads of empirical scientific evidence supporting it.

[Timminz]

evolution can not be proven, because evolution does not exist.

Just like God.

Except your example is false.

you being alive is fact of the existence of god. to name just 1 example.

the universe being perfect is another.

Just like you being alive is fact of the existence of evolution. to name just 1 example.

the universe being perfect is a subjective statement.

Except again, your examples are false.

[Army of GOD]

evolution can not be proven, because evolution does not exist.

Just like God.

Except your example is false.

you being alive is fact of the existence of god. to name just 1 example.

the universe being perfect is another.

Just like you being alive is fact of the existence of evolution. to name just 1 example.

the universe being perfect is a subjective statement.

Except again, your examples are false.

God told me God exists.

YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID

[Timminz]

evolution can not be proven, because evolution does not exist.

Just like God.

Except your example is false.

you being alive is fact of the existence of god. to name just 1 example.

the universe being perfect is another.

Just like you being alive is fact of the existence of evolution. to name just 1 example.

the universe being perfect is a subjective statement.

Except again, your examples are false.

God told me God exists.

YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID

I thought Saxi asked you to stop calling him that in public.