fluoride in the water

[Woodruff]

It's funny how so many people get all worked up about fluride in the water and how it will poison us, yet don't seem to worry about all the poison in all of our food that is present.

We're being poisoned every day simply by living in the midst and aftermath of the industrial revolution. Can't you smell that fresh air!

Indeed! Never mind all of the very REAL dangerous stuff in a lot of our food. Flouride? Relatively, it is completely harmless...yet because it is a government thing, it gets jumped on by the nutjobs who see it as an NWO threat. crazy.captain never did explain to me how McDonald's was part of the New World Order.

[xelabale]

It's funny how so many people get all worked up about fluride in the water and how it will poison us, yet don't seem to worry about all the poison in all of our food that is present.

We're being poisoned every day simply by living in the midst and aftermath of the industrial revolution. Can't you smell that fresh air!

Indeed! Never mind all of the very REAL dangerous stuff in a lot of our food. Flouride? Relatively, it is completely harmless...yet because it is a government thing, it gets jumped on by the nutjobs who see it as an NWO threat. crazy.captain never did explain to me how McDonald's was part of the New World Order.

Have you ever really looked at Ronald McDonald? Scary shit man...

[b.k. barunt]

Aint nothing scarier than killer fooking clowns.


Honibaz

[HapSmo19]

At any rate...they brought this flouride to you in aluminum cups (based on what the guy earlier said)? Why wouldn't they have used paper cups?

I did the mouth rinse thing in fifth grade but it wasn't a few times a year, it was every other tuesday or thursday or something. We got our dose in paper cups out of a refillable plastic bottle with the push dispenser on top. I dont know what it came to the school in though. Aluminum wouldn't suprise me.

That was the same time as the big "medfly scare" when every time you looked up there was a helicopter spraying shit(malathion) on you. I remember it destroying the paint on cars by turning it all white and bubbly.

Good times.

[PLAYER57832]

At any rate...they brought this flouride to you in aluminum cups (based on what the guy earlier said)? Why wouldn't they have used paper cups?

I did the mouth rinse thing in fifth grade but it wasn't a few times a year, it was every other tuesday or thursday or something. We got our dose in paper cups out of a refillable plastic bottle with the push dispenser on top. I dont know what it came to the school in though. Aluminum wouldn't suprise me.

That was the same time as the big "medfly scare" when every time you looked up there was a helicopter spraying shit(malathion) on you. I remember it destroying the paint on cars by turning it all white and bubbly.

Good times.

Wait, you got flouride in the US? Was that a public school?

Are you sure it was Malathion that turned the pain white and bubbly? I definitely remember the sprays, but not it making paint paint peel.

[HapSmo19]

Wait, you got flouride in the US? Was that a public school?

Yep. Public school in Santa Clara.

Are you sure it was Malathion that turned the pain white and bubbly? I definitely remember the sprays, but not it making paint paint peel.

Turns out, it was probably DDT.
And I definately remember the grown-ups bitching about their paintjobs and seeing alot of white, bubbly ones. Could've been something else but, I dont think so.

[HapSmo19]

Err,...wait. They used DDT and malathion.

http://www.paloaltohistory.com/medfly.html
"Malathion, a commonly used insecticide mixed with a sweet, sticky bait would be let loose from helicopters over the homes of Palo Alto, Los Altos, and Mountain View."

The bit in red is what I believe did the damage to the paint.

[Dancing Mustard]

Aint nothing scarier than killer fooking clowns.


Honibaz

Which is excellent news for John McCain.

[Woodruff]

Aint nothing scarier than killer fooking clowns.

Which is excellent news for John McCain.

He DOES sort of have that look, doesn't he...

[PLAYER57832]

Wait, you got flouride in the US? Was that a public school?

Yep. Public school in Santa Clara.

Are you sure it was Malathion that turned the pain white and bubbly? I definitely remember the sprays, but not it making paint paint peel.

Turns out, it was probably DDT.
And I definately remember the grown-ups bitching about their paintjobs and seeing alot of white, bubbly ones. Could've been something else but, I dont think so.

DDT and Malathion in Santa Clara? I think your information is off.

[HapSmo19]

DDT and Malathion in Santa Clara? I think your information is off.

Well, I don't think so.

The debate is over

[PLAYER57832]

DDT was outlawed in the US 1972.
Some people used it after that, but not government agencies, in the US.

Malathion was used to eradicate the fruit fly, etc in the mid 80's and then in the late 80's and early 90's for other species.

[HapSmo19]

DDT was outlawed in the US 1972.
Some people used it after that, but not government agencies, in the US.

Malathion was used to eradicate the fruit fly, etc in the mid 80's and then in the late 80's and early 90's for other species.

HA! It was the early 80's! Gotcha!

j/k

You got me on the DDT thing. I just skimmed over the link that I put up.

[PLAYER57832]

DDT was outlawed in the US 1972.
Some people used it after that, but not government agencies, in the US.

Malathion was used to eradicate the fruit fly, etc in the mid 80's and then in the late 80's and early 90's for other species.

HA! It was the early 80's! Gotcha!

There was more than one spray campaign. I only mentioned the 2. I remember it and I did check my dates -- GOTCHA!

[HapSmo19]

Where in CA were you?

[Danyael]

DDT was outlawed in the US 1972.
Some people used it after that, but not government agencies, in the US.

Malathion was used to eradicate the fruit fly, etc in the mid 80's and then in the late 80's and early 90's for other species.

HA! It was the early 80's! Gotcha!

There was more than one spray campaign. I only mentioned the 2. I remember it and I did check my dates -- GOTCHA!

they still spray malathion like its going out of style due to mosquitoes
the worst part is the truck in my neighbourhood show up with out any warning
nothing like the smell of poison in the morning

[pimpdave]

See, this is why I have titanium crowns on all of my teeth. The fluoride can't even get to my teeth that way.

[captain.crazy]

You people owe it to yourself to look into the fluoride poisioning that is being perpetrated against you. Nazi Germany was not defeated, it was incorporated into the governments of the Allies. The promise was advanced technology, and the goal is global domination... Wake up people. It is the end game.

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff." In the 1930's , Hitler and the German Nazi’s envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place...

Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient light lobotomy]

The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children’s teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.

When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world...

I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years’ research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine – any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." Charles E. Perkins, Chemist, 2 October 1954.

http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/fluoride.htm

[PLAYER57832]

Here is a credible link on the issue. You can view in i HTML form.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:leP ... clnk&gl=us


Essentially, it fully acknowledges the dangers (as do I). BUT, as the article states, the benefits outweigh the harm. This article further goes on to give parents instructions and directions to decide if their child is getting too little OR too much flouride.

What you miss, amongst all this, is that everything -- literally EVERYTHING is "highly toxic" in large doses.

The second part you miss is that people in the past have had some pretty crazy ideas. Even if the article you posted is completely true in that the people concerned believed this, other evidence directly contradicts this.

Sadly, Google actually perpetuates many of these ideas. Because of how they constructed their search engine, ideas people find interested and controversial often appear much higher on their list than true, credible references. I click on flouride, and get maybe 15 studies that talk about how bad flouride is. I narrowed it down and finally found some articles that gave real evidence. So, you perhaps cannot be blamed for thinking this has credibility. Sadly, this is yet one more example of how poor science and critical thinking education is in our country.

[Dancing Mustard]

You people owe it to yourself to look into the fluoride poisioning that is being perpetrated against you. Nazi Germany was not defeated, it was incorporated into the governments of the Allies. The promise was advanced technology, and the goal is global domination... Wake up people. It is the end game.

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff." In the 1930's , Hitler and the German Nazi’s envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place...

Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient light lobotomy]

The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children’s teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.

When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world...

I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years’ research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine – any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." Charles E. Perkins, Chemist, 2 October 1954.

http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/fluoride.htm

tldr

[captain.crazy]

Here is a credible link on the issue. You can view in i HTML form.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:leP ... clnk&gl=us


Essentially, it fully acknowledges the dangers (as do I). BUT, as the article states, the benefits outweigh the harm. This article further goes on to give parents instructions and directions to decide if their child is getting too little OR too much flouride.

What you miss, amongst all this, is that everything -- literally EVERYTHING is "highly toxic" in large doses.

The second part you miss is that people in the past have had some pretty crazy ideas. Even if the article you posted is completely true in that the people concerned believed this, other evidence directly contradicts this.

Sadly, Google actually perpetuates many of these ideas. Because of how they constructed their search engine, ideas people find interested and controversial often appear much higher on their list than true, credible references. I click on flouride, and get maybe 15 studies that talk about how bad flouride is. I narrowed it down and finally found some articles that gave real evidence. So, you perhaps cannot be blamed for thinking this has credibility. Sadly, this is yet one more example of how poor science and critical thinking education is in our country.

hmmm... I thought I posted a reply to this, but it seems that I failed to submit it...

While I can see that your article suggests that our government is fully behind the promotion of fluorinating the water supply, I think that it only makes my argument that our government is infiltrated by malicious nazi's that are bent on controlling our population while preparing to implement a global government. Water, a public utility managed by our locak governments, is poluted with fluoride that is a poison. Think about it for a minute...

8 ounces of water has about the same amount of fluoride that a pea sized amount of toothpaste has in it... and yet, if you swallow more than a pea sized amount of toothpaste, you are urged to call the poison control center. But why is this okay to drink straight from the tap?

[Woodruff]

You people owe it to yourself to look into the fluoride poisioning that is being perpetrated against you. Nazi Germany was not defeated, it was incorporated into the governments of the Allies. The promise was advanced technology, and the goal is global domination... Wake up people. It is the end game.

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff." In the 1930's , Hitler and the German Nazi’s envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place...

Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient light lobotomy]

The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children’s teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.

When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world...

I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years’ research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine – any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." Charles E. Perkins, Chemist, 2 October 1954.

http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/fluoride.htm

Watch out for the Vitamin C. It's highly toxic.

[PLAYER57832]

While I can see that your article suggests that our government is fully behind the promotion of fluorinating the water supply, I think that it only makes my argument that our government is infiltrated by malicious nazi's that are bent on controlling our population while preparing to implement a global government. Water, a public utility managed by our locak governments, is poluted with fluoride that is a poison. Think about it for a minute...

Even aside from flouride's toxicity, the Nazis are the last group that anyone but a few crazies in the US would listen to after WWII. Even just being German could make you suspect.

8 ounces of water has about the same amount of fluoride that a pea sized amount of toothpaste has in it... and yet, if you swallow more than a pea sized amount of toothpaste, you are urged to call the poison control center. But why is this okay to drink straight from the tap?

It takes more than a "pea sized" amoung of toothpaste to poison a child. However, the idea is its far better to have folks call poison control when its not necessary than to not call when it is. The usually reccomendation is a "dime-sized" blob. A "pea sized" blob is for a very small child. Also, flouride in water varies. Most water has less. That said, you should monitor how much flouride your child ingests. As you should monitor leves of salt, sugar, fat, caffeine, Folic Acid, Vitamin A, (any vitamin from fortified foods, etc. really) .. pretty much everything. But "monitor" doesn't mean "exclude", it means "watch how much the child gets".

[captain.crazy]

While I can see that your article suggests that our government is fully behind the promotion of fluorinating the water supply, I think that it only makes my argument that our government is infiltrated by malicious nazi's that are bent on controlling our population while preparing to implement a global government. Water, a public utility managed by our locak governments, is poluted with fluoride that is a poison. Think about it for a minute...

Even aside from flouride's toxicity, the Nazis are the last group that anyone but a few crazies in the US would listen to after WWII. Even just being German could make you suspect.

You think that Nazi's were done away with after WWII... they werent. their science and technology was so advanced, that they were actually absorbed into the governments of the global super powers... US and USSR. They finally washed out the USSR... now they are doing us too.

8 ounces of water has about the same amount of fluoride that a pea sized amount of toothpaste has in it... and yet, if you swallow more than a pea sized amount of toothpaste, you are urged to call the poison control center. But why is this okay to drink straight from the tap?

It takes more than a "pea sized" amoung of toothpaste to poison a child. However, the idea is its far better to have folks call poison control when its not necessary than to not call when it is. The usually reccomendation is a "dime-sized" blob. A "pea sized" blob is for a very small child. Also, flouride in water varies. Most water has less. That said, you should monitor how much flouride your child ingests. As you should monitor leves of salt, sugar, fat, caffeine, Folic Acid, Vitamin A, (any vitamin from fortified foods, etc. really) .. pretty much everything. But "monitor" doesn't mean "exclude", it means "watch how much the child gets".

yeah... "fluoride varies... monitor it..." seems a bit of a contradiction if you ask me.

What can be done is to have it removed from your city's water supply...

http://www.fluoridealert.org/communities.htm

[Woodruff]

While I can see that your article suggests that our government is fully behind the promotion of fluorinating the water supply, I think that it only makes my argument that our government is infiltrated by malicious nazi's that are bent on controlling our population while preparing to implement a global government. Water, a public utility managed by our locak governments, is poluted with fluoride that is a poison. Think about it for a minute...

Even aside from flouride's toxicity, the Nazis are the last group that anyone but a few crazies in the US would listen to after WWII. Even just being German could make you suspect.

You think that Nazi's were done away with after WWII... they werent. their science and technology was so advanced, that they were actually absorbed into the governments of the global super powers... US and USSR. They finally washed out the USSR... now they are doing us too.

8 ounces of water has about the same amount of fluoride that a pea sized amount of toothpaste has in it... and yet, if you swallow more than a pea sized amount of toothpaste, you are urged to call the poison control center. But why is this okay to drink straight from the tap?

It takes more than a "pea sized" amoung of toothpaste to poison a child. However, the idea is its far better to have folks call poison control when its not necessary than to not call when it is. The usually reccomendation is a "dime-sized" blob. A "pea sized" blob is for a very small child. Also, flouride in water varies. Most water has less. That said, you should monitor how much flouride your child ingests. As you should monitor leves of salt, sugar, fat, caffeine, Folic Acid, Vitamin A, (any vitamin from fortified foods, etc. really) .. pretty much everything. But "monitor" doesn't mean "exclude", it means "watch how much the child gets".

yeah... "fluoride varies... monitor it..." seems a bit of a contradiction if you ask me.

What can be done is to have it removed from your city's water supply...

http://www.fluoridealert.org/communities.htm

You should have the Vitamin C removed from the orange juice also. It's highly toxic and varies in concentration.