British Election Approaching- how would you vote?

[icedagger]

Lib dems ahead of labour according to yougov, first proper poll since the debate
CON 33%(-4), LAB 28%(-3), LDEM 30%(+8)

Which on a national swing would probably make labour the biggest party in a hung parliament? Crazy times

[jonesthecurl]

Step outside posh boy...

[Symmetry]

for sure. clegg did really well.

was a bit surprised cameron was ahead of brown on the poll afterwards though. i thought cameron had an awful performance. he was toothless in attack and repetitive in defence.

particularly liked clegg's attack on cameron over the grossly over-egged curbing of government/civil service waste (which is supposed to guard against the need for dramatic cuts in spending on core services according to the tories).

Yeah, I don't think either the Tories or Labour came out well. Clegg had some tricky moments too, but I'm looking forward to a bit more substance in the next debate. They've got to realise that promises don't amount to much if there's no process (of course, just a promised process) backing that up.

[Phatscotty]

whats the deal over there? I'm hearing the Queen is preparing to assume some duties? Or is this just what politics looks like when an unsustainable debt level meets the brick wall?

[Gypsys Kiss]

for sure. clegg did really well.

was a bit surprised cameron was ahead of brown on the poll afterwards though. i thought cameron had an awful performance. he was toothless in attack and repetitive in defence.

particularly liked clegg's attack on cameron over the grossly over-egged curbing of government/civil service waste (which is supposed to guard against the need for dramatic cuts in spending on core services according to the tories).

Yeah, I don't think either the Tories or Labour came out well. Clegg had some tricky moments too, but I'm looking forward to a bit more substance in the next debate. They've got to realise that promises don't amount to much if there's no process (of course, just a promised process) backing that up.

The question is, is how they come across on tv going to change how you vote? Being the most sincere on the box doesnt make the promises are any more likely to happen(or any less likely). As Mr Kinnock put it GB has a good 'radio face' but that doesnt mean he cant do the job. You may think DC is an an oily twat but when has being an oily twat stopped people being good at their job. Mandleson is so oily and slimey, he could slide up hill. Who is the other one....oh yeah Nick Clegg. Of course he came out best, he has very little to lose and therefore can be more relaxed. Whats the worst that can happen for the LibDems? they'll be in the same position after the 6th as they are now. Or they get to choose whose coattails to ride on.

If Clegg 'performs' well in all three debates, will that be enough to make you vote for him?

[Phatscotty]

they do what they always do. Release the social programming mind control.

[Premier2k]

Apologies if some of this has been covered but I couldn't sit and wade through 5 pages, lol

Oh and btw. UKIP is the BNP for people who food shop at M&S.

Lol, brilliant quote!

Personally I'll be voting for Liberals. I watched the debate on tv and was quite impressed by Nick Clegg. I loved the way he would just step back and let Cameron and Brown slate each other and would then step in and look like the good guy on the other side. Voting Liberals is not a wasted vote, it's only wasted if everyone continues to think like that and so doesn't vote for them. Some people need to remember that the idea of voting is not to try and vote for who you think will win so it's not 'wasted' but to vote for who you think will do the best job.

I used to be a staunch Labour supporter under Tony Blair. I think he did a great job. Sure he made some mistakes but who doesn't? Gordon Brown is a waste of space and doesn't connect with the typical British public, he doesn't have a clue. David (Dave) Cameron seems like a 'nice guy' but it all seems like he's trying to convince the public that the Conservatives have changed and he's trying too hard, he comes across as smarmy {shudder}. I don't believe it for one minute.

The BNP - They have changed direction in the past couple of years. Nick Griffin has done his best to alter the perception that they are a racist party. But they still are and will never ever get my vote.

This however, brings us to one of the larger issues facing this election - immigration. Is it too high? Yes, I think it is. It does need to be cut down, but that doesn't mean we should close the borders comepletely or withdraw from Europe (There's another hot issue), we should just put guidelines on who can enter the country, depending on skills etc...

Being part of Europe is an advantage for Britain, unfortunately a lot of people think this means being totally ruled by Brussels - it doesn't, but I'm digressing now.

Liberals get my vote, let's see what they can do. They can't do any worse!

[Symmetry]

for sure. clegg did really well.

was a bit surprised cameron was ahead of brown on the poll afterwards though. i thought cameron had an awful performance. he was toothless in attack and repetitive in defence.

particularly liked clegg's attack on cameron over the grossly over-egged curbing of government/civil service waste (which is supposed to guard against the need for dramatic cuts in spending on core services according to the tories).

Yeah, I don't think either the Tories or Labour came out well. Clegg had some tricky moments too, but I'm looking forward to a bit more substance in the next debate. They've got to realise that promises don't amount to much if there's no process (of course, just a promised process) backing that up.

The question is, is how they come across on tv going to change how you vote? Being the most sincere on the box doesnt make the promises are any more likely to happen(or any less likely). As Mr Kinnock put it GB has a good 'radio face' but that doesnt mean he cant do the job. You may think DC is an an oily twat but when has being an oily twat stopped people being good at their job. Mandleson is so oily and slimey, he could slide up hill. Who is the other one....oh yeah Nick Clegg. Of course he came out best, he has very little to lose and therefore can be more relaxed. Whats the worst that can happen for the LibDems? they'll be in the same position after the 6th as they are now. Or they get to choose whose coattails to ride on.

If Clegg 'performs' well in all three debates, will that be enough to make you vote for him?

I was planning on voting Lib Dem anyway (I pointed out my allegiance in the OP). I've really seen nothing from either of the other major parties that would change my mind.

I don't think Clegg won because he was resigned to losing. Even if he doesn't become PM, his party still stands to gain in power and the ability to shape policy, no? You seem to be analysing this as a presidential debate, rather than one that reflects the upcoming election. I think that's a mistake.

And, really? The Mandelson comparison does Cameron no favours.

[monster10]

who cares about britain

[Symmetry]

who cares about britain

Me

[DangerBoy]

I can't bother myself to read the entire thread, but can someone from the UK tell us what the big difference between the Labour and Lib Democrats is? I know I could look it up on wiki, but it's more fun to get it straight from someone who has to live with the consequences of the election results over there.

[Symmetry]

I can't bother myself to read the entire thread, but can someone from the UK tell us what the big difference between the Labour and Lib Democrats is? I know I could look it up on wiki, but it's more fun to get it straight from someone who has to live with the consequences of the election results over there.

Sure- I posted an outline on the OP.

Here

[bradleybadly]

I can't bother myself to read the entire thread, but can someone from the UK tell us what the big difference between the Labour and Lib Democrats is? I know I could look it up on wiki, but it's more fun to get it straight from someone who has to live with the consequences of the election results over there.

yeah, because it was really a pain to take the time to read through what Symmetry wrote.

[Skittles!]

who cares about britain

Oh, I dono, over 60 million people?

[DangerBoy]

I can't bother myself to read the entire thread, but can someone from the UK tell us what the big difference between the Labour and Lib Democrats is? I know I could look it up on wiki, but it's more fun to get it straight from someone who has to live with the consequences of the election results over there.

yeah, because it was really a pain to take the time to read through what Symmetry wrote.

OK, I should have read what he wrote. Now I have and it seems like a choice between socialist and socialist-lite. I guess they are so far gone to the left that even Barack Obama looks conservative to them.

[Symmetry]

I can't bother myself to read the entire thread, but can someone from the UK tell us what the big difference between the Labour and Lib Democrats is? I know I could look it up on wiki, but it's more fun to get it straight from someone who has to live with the consequences of the election results over there.

yeah, because it was really a pain to take the time to read through what Symmetry wrote.

OK, I should have read what he wrote. Now I have and it seems like a choice between socialist and socialist-lite. I guess they are so far gone to the left that even Barack Obama looks conservative to them.

I'm not sure how to take this, were you being serious in your question above? I tried to point you to where I was non-partisan. Not sure if this post is your genuine feeling, or an annoyed reaction against annoyed posters.

[DangerBoy]

OK, I should have read what he wrote. Now I have and it seems like a choice between socialist and socialist-lite. I guess they are so far gone to the left that even Barack Obama looks conservative to them.

I'm not sure how to take this, were you being serious in your question above? I tried to point you to where I was non-partisan. Not sure if this post is your genuine feeling, or an annoyed reaction against annoyed posters.

It was not directed towards you personally but rather the UK as a whole. I've read many times whenever we have an election over here that there is no such thing as a socialist or liberal president. I think that's because the Brits are so entrenched to the left that they think anything over here in the USA appears conservative.

[Symmetry]

OK, I should have read what he wrote. Now I have and it seems like a choice between socialist and socialist-lite. I guess they are so far gone to the left that even Barack Obama looks conservative to them.

I'm not sure how to take this, were you being serious in your question above? I tried to point you to where I was non-partisan. Not sure if this post is your genuine feeling, or an annoyed reaction against annoyed posters.

It was not directed towards you personally but rather the UK as a whole. I've read many times whenever we have an election over here that there is no such thing as a socialist or liberal president. I think that's because the Brits are so entrenched to the left that they think anything over here in the USA appears conservative.

Feel free to reverse that post and see how it works in the opposite direction too.

[monster10]

but it don't dumb ass

[Gypsys Kiss]

but it don't dumb ass

OK dumb ass, try this

OK, I should have read what he wrote. Now I have and it seems like a choice between socialist and socialist-lite. I guess they are so far gone to the left that even Barack Obama looks conservative to them.

I'm not sure how to take this, were you being serious in your question above? I tried to point you to where I was non-partisan. Not sure if this post is your genuine feeling, or an annoyed reaction against annoyed posters.

It was not directed towards you personally but rather the UK as a whole. I've read many times whenever we have an election over here that there is no such thing as a socialist or liberal president. I think that's because the Brits are so entrenched to the left that they think anything over here in the USA appears conservative.

It was not directed towards you personally but rather the USA as a whole. I've read many times whenever we have an election over here that there is no such thing as a socialist or liberal Prime Minister. I think that's because the Yanks are so entrenched to the right that they think anything over here in the UK appears socialist

[Symmetry]

but it don't dumb ass

OK dumb ass, try this

OK, I should have read what he wrote. Now I have and it seems like a choice between socialist and socialist-lite. I guess they are so far gone to the left that even Barack Obama looks conservative to them.

I'm not sure how to take this, were you being serious in your question above? I tried to point you to where I was non-partisan. Not sure if this post is your genuine feeling, or an annoyed reaction against annoyed posters.

It was not directed towards you personally but rather the UK as a whole. I've read many times whenever we have an election over here that there is no such thing as a socialist or liberal president. I think that's because the Brits are so entrenched to the left that they think anything over here in the USA appears conservative.

It was not directed towards you personally but rather the USA as a whole. I've read many times whenever we have an election over here that there is no such thing as a socialist or liberal Prime Minister. I think that's because the Yanks are so entrenched to the right that they think anything over here in the UK appears socialist

This ^^

[khazalid]

aye, good going.

from a purely objective standpoint, moreover, it is of course the americans who are in the right (the political direction, i stress).

[silvanricky]

but it don't dumb ass

OK dumb ass, try this

OK, I should have read what he wrote. Now I have and it seems like a choice between socialist and socialist-lite. I guess they are so far gone to the left that even Barack Obama looks conservative to them.

I'm not sure how to take this, were you being serious in your question above? I tried to point you to where I was non-partisan. Not sure if this post is your genuine feeling, or an annoyed reaction against annoyed posters.

It was not directed towards you personally but rather the UK as a whole. I've read many times whenever we have an election over here that there is no such thing as a socialist or liberal president. I think that's because the Brits are so entrenched to the left that they think anything over here in the USA appears conservative.

It was not directed towards you personally but rather the USA as a whole. I've read many times whenever we have an election over here that there is no such thing as a socialist or liberal Prime Minister. I think that's because the Yanks are so entrenched to the right that they think anything over here in the UK appears socialist

This ^^

Except he would have to change the purple bolded part to "capitalist or conservative" Prime Minister to make it actually work.

[Symmetry]

It would work that way too. My point was that American political positions don't easily map on to the UK, and UK political positions don't easily map on to the US.

[jonesthecurl]

red and blue...