Classic: Is South America a bad territory to go for?

[Donald Fung]

I have been interested in the Classic Cities Map for a few weeks and have played from the perspective of every continent. From my experience, I think the strategy where you get Australia first then spread out towards the barren Asia while watching your oponents fight over the other continents gives you a 90% win. I've also won a few games from starting in Europe but that took a bit more challenge.

Meanwhile, I found SA to be like an automated lost. I went for SA first in all 3 of my current games (you can check it out), and each one I am last place. I think defending 2 important border for 2 troops in SA is much harder than the one border that no one cares about in Ausy. Imo, SA should receive more troops than Ausy,

[svoli]

I agree with your comparison of SA vs Aus. I find it hard to believe that Aus gives you a 90% victory rate, however. There should be a difference in amount of armies awarded for SA vs Aus. It doesn't seem fair for SA to increase to 3 and be equal to Africa. So, the only solution would be to decrease Aus to 1. Or, open up another route into Aus.

[barterer2002]

Its going to depend on your settings. escalating is different than flat rate. 3 player different from 8 player. Fog different than sun. Change the parameters and you'll change the results.

[Donald Fung]

Its going to depend on your settings. escalating is different than flat rate. 3 player different from 8 player. Fog different than sun. Change the parameters and you'll change the results.

well for this example, I am talking about escalating, unlimited, 3-5 players, sunny.

I agree with your comparison of SA vs Aus. I find it hard to believe that Aus gives you a 90% victory rate, however. There should be a difference in amount of armies awarded for SA vs Aus. It doesn't seem fair for SA to increase to 3 and be equal to Africa. So, the only solution would be to decrease Aus to 1. Or, open up another route into Aus.

lol Ausy is very easy to win from and I think every classic game I won (besides a few) was from me starting in Ausy
Ausy shouldn't decrease to 1, just a waste of territory then. They should decrease Africa to 2 borders and have it be equal to SA at 3 troops.

[jrh_cardinal]

Its going to depend on your settings. escalating is different than flat rate. 3 player different from 8 player. Fog different than sun. Change the parameters and you'll change the results.

well for this example, I am talking about escalating, unlimited, 3-5 players, sunny.

I agree with your comparison of SA vs Aus. I find it hard to believe that Aus gives you a 90% victory rate, however. There should be a difference in amount of armies awarded for SA vs Aus. It doesn't seem fair for SA to increase to 3 and be equal to Africa. So, the only solution would be to decrease Aus to 1. Or, open up another route into Aus.

lol Ausy is very easy to win from and I think every classic game I won (besides a few) was from me starting in Ausy
Ausy shouldn't decrease to 1, just a waste of territory then. They should decrease Africa to 2 borders and have it be equal to SA at 3 troops.

guys, these values for Aussie and SA as well as the rest of the continents and all of the borders came from the board game that is not supposed to be mentioned on this site. Aussie will always be a better continent to have than SA, they won't change the value, and they shouldn't. If you don't like it, play 8 Thoughts or Feudal Epic, both basically symmetrical (8 thoughts is perfectly symmetrical). Even epic has good and bad starting spots though

[rockfist]

In doubles I prefer SA to Aus.

In singles starting in NA is surprisingly not bad.

[tonbomorphew]

Its going to depend on your settings. escalating is different than flat rate. 3 player different from 8 player. Fog different than sun. Change the parameters and you'll change the results.

well for this example, I am talking about escalating, unlimited, 3-5 players, sunny.

I agree with your comparison of SA vs Aus. I find it hard to believe that Aus gives you a 90% victory rate, however. There should be a difference in amount of armies awarded for SA vs Aus. It doesn't seem fair for SA to increase to 3 and be equal to Africa. So, the only solution would be to decrease Aus to 1. Or, open up another route into Aus.

lol Ausy is very easy to win from and I think every classic game I won (besides a few) was from me starting in Ausy
Ausy shouldn't decrease to 1, just a waste of territory then. They should decrease Africa to 2 borders and have it be equal to SA at 3 troops.

guys, these values for Aussie and SA as well as the rest of the continents and all of the borders came from the board game that is not supposed to be mentioned on this site. Aussie will always be a better continent to have than SA, they won't change the value, and they shouldn't. If you don't like it, play 8 Thoughts or Feudal Epic, both basically symmetrical (8 thoughts is perfectly symmetrical). Even epic has good and bad starting spots though

TOO MUCH 'Quotes'

[Iron Butterfly]

In escalating the bonus wont make a difference at all.

No Spoils it makes a big difference. Having to defend one border is priceless vs other continents. The problem arise where everyone makes a bum rush for it and then waste their troops trying to take it only to be to weak to hold it.

[darth emperor]

That Aussie is better than SA....doesn't make SA the WORST territory to go for....

[Donald Fung]

In escalating the bonus wont make a difference at all.

No Spoils it makes a big difference. Having to defend one border is priceless vs other continents. The problem arise where everyone makes a bum rush for it and then waste their troops trying to take it only to be to weak to hold it.

no I think starting continent is very important in esclating since the first few trades sucks and you need a good territory to get ahead of everyone. Playing 3 player Classic in Ausy, I usually have twice the troops of the second place player by round 3 or 4 and win by round 6 to 8. It's so FUN!

That Aussie is better than SA....doesn't make SA the WORST territory to go for....

ok yea I guess my title sucked lol

[darth emperor]

That Aussie is better than SA....doesn't make SA the WORST territory to go for....

ok yea I guess my title sucked lol

It doesn't change anything at all lol. That Aussie is better than SA...doesn't make SA a bad territory to go for...

[firsal901]

sometimes yes

beacause ur enemy can surround u and gangbag u

but if u really defended well u have a 60-70% chance

PS: gangbag means two territories u own around 1 that belongs to other player
the two will attack the 1 alternately or however

[Falkomagno]

In doubles I prefer SA to Aus.

In singles starting in NA is surprisingly not bad.

Yes, I was thinking in this too. NA is a good option, facing a long term battle.

[Donald Fung]

In doubles I prefer SA to Aus.

In singles starting in NA is surprisingly not bad.

Yes, I was thinking in this too. NA is a good option, facing a long term battle.

true

and boy, your avatar made me think there was a bug walking around on my computer screen
I put my figure on the screen to kill it then realized it was someone's avatar

[rockfist]

I really just prefer not to have a big fight initially. I can play from anywhere and win (doesn't mean I will, but I can). I've won W2.1 twice starting in Maghreb...out of two attempts from there and that is the LAST place you "should" start on that board. Its a different map, but my point is being unorthodox is sometimes better than having a two or three way grudge match for something.

[Knight of Orient]

SA is a great bonus if you have all of n america or africa, but by itself is a bad spot to be. Almost every map has that region in the middle thats terrible alone but good when you control and adjacent region.

[10ebruce]

i seriously doubt that youve won 90% of games from australia. the problem there is that you have nowhere to expand to. youll get your 2 extra armies fairly easily but any more than that is really difficult. In my opinion australia is often doomed for second place

[Army of GOD]

South America is a very viable option...if you know what to do with it.

The problem is, everyone knows that Aussie is the best, so they all GO for it. I remember in a 5 player Manual game, 4 out of the 5 players deployed either IN Aussie or in Bangkok, and the other took South America.

Also, Asia is the worst territ to go for. HURRR DURR

[Army of GOD]

I meant bonus, not territ. Too lazy to edit.

[natty dread]

I've always liked south am better than aus. Sure you have to defend two borders but at least you can extend to two directions... in aussie, if someone puts a big stack in bangkok, well, you stay in aussie...

Then again I mostly play escalating so what do I know about bonuses.

[Dai_atan]

SA can be an amazing to go from, it really depends on the amount of players and type of cards.
I find poeple don't see SA as important to go for as aus, and also I think they will break an australian bonus more readily than an SA bonus.
SA also is easier to grab secondary continents.

I dont remember Losing an SA start for a long time so i guess it comes down to how you play it.

[AndyDufresne]

South America is often a good starting place---assuming that you don't get boxed in (I.E. all your regions everywhere else on the map are conquered and you are stuck in SA), however, since it is only two outlets, and two outlets into areas that can be held by opponents.


--Andy

[TheSaxlad]

see I disagree, sometimes especially in 1v1 a big fight is the best way ive found to win especially on manual. and sa is worse than aus but not if you take africa first!

[jefjef]

see I disagree, sometimes especially in 1v1 a big fight is the best way ive found to win especially on manual. and sa is worse than aus but not if you take africa first!

I like to take M - U - L - T - I and the win.

[Donald Fung]

I've always liked south am better than aus. Sure you have to defend two borders but at least you can extend to two directions... in aussie, if someone puts a big stack in bangkok, well, you stay in aussie...

Then again I mostly play escalating so what do I know about bonuses.

that's what I do to try and make the Ausy player lose
but obviously, most of the ppl I play don't know how to do this and you expland from Ausy to Asia and then take out a player for cards and continue and BOOM... you win
but on SA, if NA and Africa are taken correctly and defended, you're stuck to be food for one of them.