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Well, it's only freedom if you're a liberal journalist, or in this case a member of JournoList.

It has been contended for quite a long time that the majority of traditional media publications (print and tv) have heavily left-leaning reporters, editors, editorials, and articles. It has now come to light that a group of far-left "journalists" conspired together to shape the news of 2008 in a way that helped and protected Obama while vilifying his opponents and critics. Many of these members of a group called JournoList were editorialists/commentators, but there are several who wrote prominent news pieces for papers and magazines.

Their news-shaping conspiracies included several ways to attack conservatives when certain election-changing events occurred.

It kicked off when they vilified Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos (two people who are not conservatives) for challenging Obama about Jeremiah Wright. They had allowed it to stay around when "right-wingers" were the only ones discussing the issue, but as soon as those two made it mainstream, the story had to be covered up. How did they do that? By picking some of Obama's critics and call them racists. They are racists as a statement of fact without any proof. By calling them racist, it would turn attention away from the Obama-Wright connection as those critics would have to spend all their time defending themselves from the baseless attacks. You can read more about this here.

Another vein of their attacks was the wish of some members to have the government shut down Fox News. Instead of believing in the freedom of the press, some of the individuals from Journolist believed that since Fox News was asking challenging questions in their news segments and having conservative commentators dominate commentator segments, then they didn't deserve to have an FCC license. Some members did question the thought that the government could pick and choose the licenses, but others went so far as to say that with Fox around, censorship was a matter of tactics rather than principles. Please read the article and the actual excerpts. On a related note, one of these Journolist members gets a vote as to whether Fox News deserves the open seat on the front row of the White House briefing room. Fox News is the only TV Media that does not have a front row seat. Article here.

The very day Palin was nominated as McCain's running mate, the members of Journolist strategized how they would respond and attack her. Some considered attacking her lack of experience, but they knew the McCain camp would just counter by flipping the question back on their favored candidate. They knew her refusing to abort a Down's Syndrome child would be an appealing trait, so they attacked how her campaigning would hurt her family values. Some worked to find ways to attack her "maverick" statements while others called her choice as sexist and needing to attack her ideology. These "strategy sessions" were included in Joe Klein's Time article. Main article and Palin's reply.

Finally, when Obama won the election, the "media" members rejoiced about his winning. You can read their completely objective viewpoints here.

Overall, these acts by liberals in the media are completely unethical. They wanted their political views to be expressed in news coverage, so they actively developed any talking points that would attack critics, build up Obama, cover up harmful stories. Then they marched together in distributing these biased viewpoints under the guise of neutrality in order to make sure their candidate won the election. Anybody who reads these stories, whether you're liberal or conservative, should be absolutely ashamed of these dishonest acts.

You can read the summary of the series' editor here.
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Well, I suspect that the balanced, non-alarmist and strictly objective basis that this thread begun from is likely to continue throughout the duration of its course.
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OH MAN DEM LEFTIES ARE AT IT AGAIN!! GET UR GUNZ!!!!
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Night Strike wrote:Well, it's only freedom if you're a liberal journalist, or in this case a member of JournoList.

It has been contended for quite a long time that the majority of traditional media publications (print and tv) have heavily left-leaning reporters, editors, editorials, and articles. It has now come to light that a group of far-left "journalists" conspired together to shape the news of 2008 in a way that helped and protected Obama while vilifying his opponents and critics. Many of these members of a group called JournoList were editorialists/commentators, but there are several who wrote prominent news pieces for papers and magazines.

Their news-shaping conspiracies included several ways to attack conservatives when certain election-changing events occurred.

It kicked off when they vilified Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos (two people who are not conservatives) for challenging Obama about Jeremiah Wright. They had allowed it to stay around when "right-wingers" were the only ones discussing the issue, but as soon as those two made it mainstream, the story had to be covered up. How did they do that? By picking some of Obama's critics and call them racists. They are racists as a statement of fact without any proof. By calling them racist, it would turn attention away from the Obama-Wright connection as those critics would have to spend all their time defending themselves from the baseless attacks. You can read more about this here.

Another vein of their attacks was the wish of some members to have the government shut down Fox News. Instead of believing in the freedom of the press, some of the individuals from Journolist believed that since Fox News was asking challenging questions in their news segments and having conservative commentators dominate commentator segments, then they didn't deserve to have an FCC license. Some members did question the thought that the government could pick and choose the licenses, but others went so far as to say that with Fox around, censorship was a matter of tactics rather than principles. Please read the article and the actual excerpts. On a related note, one of these Journolist members gets a vote as to whether Fox News deserves the open seat on the front row of the White House briefing room. Fox News is the only TV Media that does not have a front row seat. Article here.

The very day Palin was nominated as McCain's running mate, the members of Journolist strategized how they would respond and attack her. Some considered attacking her lack of experience, but they knew the McCain camp would just counter by flipping the question back on their favored candidate. They knew her refusing to abort a Down's Syndrome child would be an appealing trait, so they attacked how her campaigning would hurt her family values. Some worked to find ways to attack her "maverick" statements while others called her choice as sexist and needing to attack her ideology. These "strategy sessions" were included in Joe Klein's Time article. Main article and Palin's reply.

Finally, when Obama won the election, the "media" members rejoiced about his winning. You can read their completely objective viewpoints here.

Overall, these acts by liberals in the media are completely unethical. They wanted their political views to be expressed in news coverage, so they actively developed any talking points that would attack critics, build up Obama, cover up harmful stories. Then they marched together in distributing these biased viewpoints under the guise of neutrality in order to make sure their candidate won the election. Anybody who reads these stories, whether you're liberal or conservative, should be absolutely ashamed of these dishonest acts.

You can read the summary of the series' editor here.
Meanwhile, the ethics at Fox News and of Rush Limbaugh certainly cannot be called into question.
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I love how conservatives wing nuts like Night Strike simultaneously bleat on about how huge a liberal bias there is in the media as well as the infallibility of economic indicators.

So where does Rush Limbaugh having the most financially successful and largest market share of talk radio fit into this vast liberal conspiracy to bias the media?

PS. He's not even on FOX.
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Woodruff wrote:Meanwhile, the ethics at Fox News certainly cannot be called into question.
Question it all you want, but there's proof in this thread.

pimpdave wrote:I love how conservatives simultaneously bleat on about how huge a liberal bias there is in the media as well as the infallibility of economic indicators.

So where does Rush Limbaugh having the most financially successful and largest market share of talk radio fit into this vast liberal conspiracy to bias the media?
Everyone knows Limbaugh is a conservative commentator who does NOT work in the news media. These people work in the news media, but they worked together to push their agenda, which is a major ethical issue.

EDIT: Furthermore, I opened the thread by saying this was about print and tv news media because we know conservatives dominate the radio commentaries.
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Night Strike wrote:Well, it's only freedom if you're a liberal journalist, or in this case a member of JournoList.

It has been contended for quite a long time that the majority of traditional media publications (print and tv) have heavily left-leaning reporters, editors, editorials, and articles. It has now come to light that a group of far-left "journalists" conspired together to shape the news of 2008 in a way that helped and protected Obama while vilifying his opponents and critics. Many of these members of a group called JournoList were editorialists/commentators, but there are several who wrote prominent news pieces for papers and magazines.
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Newsflash Nightstrike LIBERALS don't particularly care for Obama, either.

That said, political gamesmanship of this type have been around for a lot longer than this previous election.. and MOST DEFINITELY are not liberal monopolies!
(hint: Richard Nixon )
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Well, it's only freedom if you're a liberal journalist, or in this case a member of JournoList.

It has been contended for quite a long time that the majority of traditional media publications (print and tv) have heavily left-leaning reporters, editors, editorials, and articles. It has now come to light that a group of far-left "journalists" conspired together to shape the news of 2008 in a way that helped and protected Obama while vilifying his opponents and critics. Many of these members of a group called JournoList were editorialists/commentators, but there are several who wrote prominent news pieces for papers and magazines.
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Newsflash Nightstrike LIBERALS don't particularly care for Obama, either.

That said, political gamesmanship of this type have been around for a lot longer than this previous election.. and MOST DEFINITELY are not liberal monopolies!
(hint: Richard Nixon )
This isn't political people trying to manipulate the media (which is done by every administration since 1787). This is the media manipulating their stories to favor one political side.
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Note that the Daily Caller will not release the Jorno-list emails that allegedly show something possibly nefarious. Talk about standing by your sources.
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spurgistan wrote:Note that the Daily Caller will not release the Jorno-list emails that allegedly show something possibly nefarious. Talk about standing by your sources.
Any of the involved can reply to any of the accusations. Some have, even standing by some of their comments. If these comments aren't real, why not deny them?
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Night Strike wrote:
This isn't political people trying to manipulate the media (which is done by every administration since 1787). This is the media manipulating their stories to favor one political side.
Are you truly that naive?
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
This isn't political people trying to manipulate the media (which is done by every administration since 1787). This is the media manipulating their stories to favor one political side.
Are you truly that naive?
I'm naive for seeing the people in the media conspire to support Obama??
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Night Strike wrote:This is the media manipulating their stories to favor one political side.
*cringes*

C'mon...even *I* knew the media does that and I don't ever watch/read/listen to the news (minus ESPN).

OH NOES! TEH LIBURELZ AT ESPN!
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Army of GOD wrote:
Night Strike wrote:This is the media manipulating their stories to favor one political side.
*cringes*

C'mon...even *I* knew the media does that and I don't ever watch/read/listen to the news (minus ESPN).

OH NOES! TEH LIBURELZ AT ESPN!
And I'm saying that it's completely unethical for all those people to manipulate their stories and publish outright lies in the name of hard news stories to promote their anointed candidate.
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Night Strike wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
Night Strike wrote:This is the media manipulating their stories to favor one political side.
*cringes*

C'mon...even *I* knew the media does that and I don't ever watch/read/listen to the news (minus ESPN).

OH NOES! TEH LIBURELZ AT ESPN!
And I'm saying that it's completely unethical for all those people to manipulate their stories and publish outright lies in the name of hard news stories to promote their anointed candidate.
I feel like the media has done this sense its beginning.

I really don't put any weight into it because I don't know many people that actually think their unbiased.
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Let's review the responses to Night Strike's assertion:
King Doctor wrote:Well, I suspect that the balanced, non-alarmist and strictly objective basis that this thread begun from is likely to continue throughout the duration of its course.
Fallacy: Ad Hominem

"Night Strike sounds alarmed and is a known conservative, therefore you know he can't be trusted!"
Woodruff wrote:Meanwhile, the ethics at Fox News and of Rush Limbaugh certainly cannot be called into question.
Fallacy: Red Herring

"I'll just bring FOX into the debate so that he'll have to defend them and stop talking about JournoList."

OR

Fallacy: Tu Quoque

"Your side does it too, so we don't have to listen to you."
pimpdave wrote:I love how conservatives wing nuts like Night Strike simultaneously bleat on about how huge a liberal bias there is in the media as well as the infallibility of economic indicators.

So where does Rush Limbaugh having the most financially successful and largest market share of talk radio fit into this vast liberal conspiracy to bias the media?

PS. He's not even on FOX.
Fallacy: Red Herring

"Even though it was stated that we are talking about Print Media and News Media, I'm gonna make him talk about Radio!!"
PLAYER57832 wrote:Newsflash Nightstrike LIBERALS don't particularly care for Obama, either.

That said, political gamesmanship of this type have been around for a lot longer than this previous election.. and MOST DEFINITELY are not liberal monopolies!
(hint: Richard Nixon )
Fallacy: Tu Quoque

This is getting repetitive...
PLAYER57832 wrote:Are you truly that naive?
Fallacy: Ad Hominem

Man, it's like it never ends...
Army of GOD wrote:I feel like the media has done this sense its beginning.

I really don't put any weight into it because I don't know many people that actually think their unbiased.
You don't even care enough to argue fallaciously, which requires no effort? Why are you even posting, then?

...

So, in conclusion, no one has made a single argument even attempting to disprove Night Strike's assertion that a group of media contributors collaborated to ensure Barack Obama's election. You just all figure if you attack him or distract him enough, he'll forget about it?
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gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:I feel like the media has done this sense its beginning.

I really don't put any weight into it because I don't know many people that actually think their unbiased.
You don't even care enough to argue fallaciously, which requires no effort? Why are you even posting, then?
Because I'm always right.

Also, I really don't think anyone is disagreeing with NightStrike. I'm certainly not.
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gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Meanwhile, the ethics at Fox News and of Rush Limbaugh certainly cannot be called into question.
Fallacy: Red Herring
"I'll just bring FOX into the debate so that he'll have to defend them and stop talking about JournoList."
OR
Fallacy: Tu Quoque
"Your side does it too, so we don't have to listen to you."
It would have been more accurate to say "You're a flaming conservative nutjob wingnut who is still so inexperienced and biased that you can only see the bad on the other side of the fence, so we don't have to listen to you."...I could probably agree with that.
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Well, at least the media picked the correct side...
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Woodruff wrote:
gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Meanwhile, the ethics at Fox News and of Rush Limbaugh certainly cannot be called into question.
Fallacy: Red Herring
"I'll just bring FOX into the debate so that he'll have to defend them and stop talking about JournoList."
OR
Fallacy: Tu Quoque
"Your side does it too, so we don't have to listen to you."
It would have been more accurate to say "You're a flaming conservative nutjob wingnut who is still so inexperienced and biased that you can only see the bad on the other side of the fence, so we don't have to listen to you."...I could probably agree with that.
:lol:

A fallacious response to an accusation of fallacy. Truly, your searing intellect has overpowered me.

Another classic example of the liberal modus operandi.
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This isn't even worth debating. A real debate would require research into these accusations. I don't think many people would like to research every accusation people like NightStrike make. There are several every day, and the majority of the time, they are the crazed regurgitations of, ironically, lies of the conservative media. It's a waste of time to have a real debate in these kinds of threads.

You'd have a point if people were actually trying to debate him, but they're not really.

PS. And when I do do real research and prove the OP wrong in these such threads, inevitably it's MY source that's wrong (a fallacy called Poisoning the Wells, as you probably well know), and I get ridiculed. So excuse me for not being willing to have real debates on the Internetz.
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gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Meanwhile, the ethics at Fox News and of Rush Limbaugh certainly cannot be called into question.
Fallacy: Red Herring
"I'll just bring FOX into the debate so that he'll have to defend them and stop talking about JournoList."
OR
Fallacy: Tu Quoque
"Your side does it too, so we don't have to listen to you."
It would have been more accurate to say "You're a flaming conservative nutjob wingnut who is still so inexperienced and biased that you can only see the bad on the other side of the fence, so we don't have to listen to you."...I could probably agree with that.
:lol:

A fallacious response to an accusation of fallacy. Truly, your searing intellect has overpowered me.

Another classic example of the liberal modus operandi.
So you respond to an add hominum with an ad hominum.
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Baron Von PWN wrote:
gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Meanwhile, the ethics at Fox News and of Rush Limbaugh certainly cannot be called into question.
Fallacy: Red Herring
"I'll just bring FOX into the debate so that he'll have to defend them and stop talking about JournoList."
OR
Fallacy: Tu Quoque
"Your side does it too, so we don't have to listen to you."
It would have been more accurate to say "You're a flaming conservative nutjob wingnut who is still so inexperienced and biased that you can only see the bad on the other side of the fence, so we don't have to listen to you."...I could probably agree with that.
:lol:

A fallacious response to an accusation of fallacy. Truly, your searing intellect has overpowered me.

Another classic example of the liberal modus operandi.
So you respond to an add hominum with an ad hominum.
I'm glad you caught onto that. My sarcasm is complete.
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gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Meanwhile, the ethics at Fox News and of Rush Limbaugh certainly cannot be called into question.
Fallacy: Red Herring
"I'll just bring FOX into the debate so that he'll have to defend them and stop talking about JournoList."
OR
Fallacy: Tu Quoque
"Your side does it too, so we don't have to listen to you."
It would have been more accurate to say "You're a flaming conservative nutjob wingnut who is still so inexperienced and biased that you can only see the bad on the other side of the fence, so we don't have to listen to you."...I could probably agree with that.
:lol:
A fallacious response to an accusation of fallacy. Truly, your searing intellect has overpowered me.
Another classic example of the liberal modus operandi.
I was simply stating how your point could have been more accurate. That you believe I'm a liberal leads me to believe that you are a blinder-wearing ultra-conservative. How sad for you.
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gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
gatoraubrey2 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
gatoraubrey2 wrote: Fallacy: Red Herring
"I'll just bring FOX into the debate so that he'll have to defend them and stop talking about JournoList."
OR
Fallacy: Tu Quoque
"Your side does it too, so we don't have to listen to you."
It would have been more accurate to say "You're a flaming conservative nutjob wingnut who is still so inexperienced and biased that you can only see the bad on the other side of the fence, so we don't have to listen to you."...I could probably agree with that.
:lol:

A fallacious response to an accusation of fallacy. Truly, your searing intellect has overpowered me.

Another classic example of the liberal modus operandi.
So you respond to an add hominum with an ad hominum.
I'm glad you caught onto that. My sarcasm is complete.
You misspelled "embarrassment".
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