Asia Map Revamp please

[jrh_cardinal]

Not sure if there's a thread for the Asia Map, couldn't find it, but it's borders, more specifically where the impassables end, are bad.

Look at the border (or non-border) between sinkiang and irkutsk. There is a clear border there, especially if you look at the larger map. The impassable looks like it ends right after mongolia, does not include the sinkiang-irkutsk border. Does anyone else have this problem? Can't either the impassable be extended a bit, or the line separating kazakstan and irkutsk be moved slightly right?

Even if other people don't have this problem, does it make sense for their to even be a question where the impassable ends? Why does it have to end right on the spot, other maps have the impassables end slightly after where the borders would intersect so that it's obvious where the impassable ends, the border I mentioned is questionable at best.

[natty dread]

More about the Asia map: there's territory labels overlapping army circles, wtf is up with that?

This map could use a serious revamp.

[jrh_cardinal]

More about the Asia map: there's territory labels overlapping army circles, wtf is up with that?

true also. With clickies I don't really notice that unless it's a team game, but it should be fixed. There's plenty of room on the map, no reason to squeeze the army numbers and the territory names in the same spot

edit- the names really are messed up. Many either overlap with the army circles or are really far away. Look at Uzbekistan, the territory name is across the territory from the army circle, and the territory name for the tert right next to uzbekistan (turkmenistan) is almost overlapping the uzbekistan army circle. There are just a lot of problems all over the map.

[natty dread]

If this map was in the foundry today there's no way it would get past GFX like this.

[jrh_cardinal]

If this map was in the foundry today there's no way it would get past GFX like this.

agreed (not that I'm a foundry expert)

[porkenbeans]

I agree with natty on this one. As a matter of fact I have toyed with the idea of a new Asia map, that would just start from scratch, as the current one really has too many problems to try a re-vamp.
Here is what I came up with for a place to start.

Click image to enlarge.

[natty dread]

Well, there's already a new Asia map being developed, although the authors seem to have somewhat lost interest in it...

Anyway, the current Asia map really isn't up to CC standards of today... there are people who enjoy playing the map so there's no reason to take the map down entirely, but the map also has huge graphical issues so a revamp would seem to be the best course of action here.

It seems that the guy who did the Asia map is the same guy who did the original Classic map, demonart. I'm not even sure if this guy has ever been a CC member since I can't find him from the memberlist... maybe he used another name though?

[thenobodies80]

If this map was in the foundry today there's no way it would get past GFX like this.

agreed (not that I'm a foundry expert)

"If this was" doesn't count with past. If this was in production today it could never pass the current standards. But thanks to it, you can drive today.
Anyway, a complete revamp of the map of Asia is something that I can hardly see.
First of all I'm pretty sure that many don't want to see Asia to be replaced with a new version because it is one of the few map left that remembers us all where we started, then it should also be considered that most of the users are used to playing on the map as it is now and as we all know very well, habits are hard to change.

So, without knowing if we have a psd (or what ever else format is) file of the map and also which was the agreement between Lack and demonart (the mapmaker), what i'd like to suggest is try to find out the major problems and then think/ask if there's a viable way to fix them.

Look at the border (or non-border) between sinkiang and irkutsk.

This is a big issue imo. As you said, there's a clear border between them.

there's territory labels overlapping army circles

Yeah, and they are horrible to see. I think that Laos, Thailand, Cambodia and S. Korea should be fixed, but without a psd file it's not so simple (althought it could be done)

Look at Uzbekistan

True, that point of the map is a mess.

Something else not listed here above?

[natty dread]

First of all I'm pretty sure that many don't want to see Asia to be replaced with a new version because it is one of the few map left that remembers us all where we started, then it should also be considered that most of the users are used to playing on the map as it is now and as we all know very well, habits are hard to change.

This hasn't stopped other revamps. People always complain when a map is revamped but eventually they get used to it.

[ManBungalow]

>> If somebody has very poor geographical knowledge of Asia, there could be difficulties working out which bonuses are which.

>> I always ensure that I'm not blue when playing this map:


>> The Irkutsk-Sinkiang non-border is always a pain, but it seems to me that this could be modified with just the .jpg file.

With that said, I'm all for a revamp. I prefer the gameplay of this map to Classic, but the graphics put me off of creating Asia games.

[Industrial Helix]

I'm in favor of a revamp and also making the title of the map correlate with the name its under here. Keep the gameplay the exact same but throw in some new graphics.

OR, if there was some way to alter the existing map to fix the major problems, like numbers over names and unclear borders.

[natty dread]

This would be another opportunity for the boys in blue to hold a revamp contest. *hint hint*

[porkenbeans]

This would be another opportunity for the boys in blue to hold a revamp contest. *hint hint*

[porkenbeans]

There is also the fact that the geography is very distorted. Not to mention the fact that the entirety of Asia is not included. Which could be fixed with a slight name change I guess.

Yes, it is true that SOME people, (er), MOST people are uncomfortable with change. But that is not a good reason to be a stick in the mud. I have been here for3 years, and I too am fond of this map. But I know damn well that a revamp of some sort, would be a good thing.

[natty dread]

Name change is a bad idea for various reasons, and it has already been rejected by lack. The gameplay must be kept the same, as with any revamp, which places some limitations to fixing the geography...

[jrh_cardinal]

Something else not listed here above?

I think that's all that's really a problem, but (being picky) compared to other maps it could still be fixed in a few other spots.

Still looking at the larger map, the North Korea-Honshu names are to a lesser degree like the problem in Uzbekistan-Turkmenistan.

For the small map, I would add Malaysia, maybe Tanzhik and Afghanistan to this list:

Laos, Thailand, Cambodia and S. Korea

where the name needs to be moved. Also, there's no reason for something like Vietnam being across the tert from the army circle, not that it's a real gameplay problem.

There's not as much of a problem with Uzbekistan-Turkmenistan in the small map.

>> If somebody has very poor geographical knowledge of Asia, there could be difficulties working out which bonuses are which.

agreed the key needs to be color-coded or something. Most people have a basic knowledge of Asia geographics, but still.

also making the title of the map correlate with the name

Ya, if I just saw the map, I would call it Far East (who wouldn't). Maybe the name on the site should be "Asia- Far East" or something if people want to keep the Asia part of it.

[Pedronicus]

As much as I agree with what has been written in this thread so far, sometimes, just sometimes the way things started should be left to become retro.

Asia was always the second best map after classic when there were only 3 maps on the site. Classic had to be re vamped due to Hesbrola - As much as I would probably play Asia more if it was nicer to look at, I think that Lack deserves to have this one left as an original

[porkenbeans]

Here is my stab at a revamp.

Gameplay has remained unchanged, but some borders have been redrawn, and some labels and numbers have been moved.

I believe that I have fixed all of the problem areas, that were mentioned. I have not yet added the sea routes.

Click image to enlarge.

[ender516]

Now that is a beautiful map. It verges on overwhelming, but then, so does Asia itself.

(EDIT: Sorry to nitpick, but it is spelled Sri Lanka.)

[porkenbeans]

Now that is a beautiful map. It verges on overwhelming, but then, so does Asia itself.

(EDIT: Sorry to nitpick, but it is spelled Sri Lanka.)

Thank you ender, and thanks for the correction as well. Lord knows that I am the worlds worst speller. Please let me know if you catch any more typos.

Click image to enlarge.

[natty dread]

There's a lot of pixelation that would need to be fixed...

mainly in the territory labels.

[natty dread]

Btw, I also made an asia revamp. I wasn't going to publish it before the revamp was decided on, but what the hey...

Click image to enlarge.

[porkenbeans]

There's a lot of pixelation that would need to be fixed...

mainly in the territory labels.

RU frickin kidding me ?
There is no "pixelation" whatsoever, friend.

[The Bison King]

Really digging Pork&Beans version. Like really digging!

..though you did reverse the bonuses for Russia and China.

[natty dread]

- territory labels: this may just be the font, but the letters appear pixelated. I'd suggest some other font if you cannot fix the pixelation of this font.
- land/sea borders - mostly on the india bonus area, if you look closely, you can see the pixelation. Zoom in if you can't see it otherwise. It's most notable on sri lanka.
- the minimap edges

I'm not "frickin kidding" you, I'm trying to offer constructive criticism.