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Christ on a bike, the naivety. "The people" are morons. Without government, I'd give it 2 years before people in the US deep south and Newcastle in England are living in caves and eating each other.Jesse, Bad Boy wrote:With any luck, government will collapse and the people will be free to rule themselves.
People aren't morons... they're just conditioned to act as such.Spuzzell wrote:Christ on a bike, the naivety. "The people" are morons. Without government, I'd give it 2 years before people in the US deep south and Newcastle in England are living in caves and eating each other.Jesse, Bad Boy wrote:With any luck, government will collapse and the people will be free to rule themselves.
Frigidus wrote:but now that it's become relatively popular it's suffered the usual downturn in coolness.
I am not going to take that comment seriously, so if you would like, present an actual argument.Spuzzell wrote:Christ on a bike, the naivety. "The people" are morons. Without government, I'd give it 2 years before people in the US deep south and Newcastle in England are living in caves and eating each other.Jesse, Bad Boy wrote:With any luck, government will collapse and the people will be free to rule themselves.

How about the Non-Aggression Axiom or the relative Armed Citizentry Principle?Gavino07 wrote:To anarchists out there, please explain to me that with no form of government over the people will not become a state of chaos.
This is quite possibly one of the most classic -if not stupidest- failing arguments against Anarchy.If there is no governments and only the people will do whatever they want, the people will be divided into families and get in conflicts with other families. Then eventually Families will unite as a organized society, which pretty much operate as a goverment.
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Explaining all of the nuances of Anarchy would result in tl;dr. I will point you in the direction of a few good articles concerning Anarchy and it's various archetypes.Gavino07 wrote:Still you have given me no explaination on how Anarchy works. It sounds cool but chaotic to me. Please, i am open to discussion.

I dont think there is such a thing as permanent anarchy. Imagine a tribe of maybe fifty people. One person is smarter than all others - he has a record of getting out of dangerous situations. So the people look to him - when he advises that somebody should do something, they do it. Eventually, they make his power official by office. There we go. Back to the start.Gavino07 wrote:Still you have given me no explaination on how Anarchy works. It sounds cool but chaotic to me. Please, i am open to discussion.
A state resembling a permanent state of anarchy has existed at times, for example a state of relative anarchy existed amongst the Igbo people prior to colonisation. Decisions were made at a local level, every village was free to govern itself, and decisions within villages were made by an assembly of the common people of which no one was given special privilige.unriggable wrote:I dont think there is such a thing as permanent anarchy. Imagine a tribe of maybe fifty people. One person is smarter than all others - he has a record of getting out of dangerous situations. So the people look to him - when he advises that somebody should do something, they do it. Eventually, they make his power official by office. There we go. Back to the start.Gavino07 wrote:Still you have given me no explaination on how Anarchy works. It sounds cool but chaotic to me. Please, i am open to discussion.
Frigidus wrote:but now that it's become relatively popular it's suffered the usual downturn in coolness.
In more modern times during the Spanish Civil War anarchist groups (CNT) seized control in Barcelona and surrounding regions for some months in '37. In some situations they abolished money and ruled through a collective will - outlawing political parties and operating through trade unions of workers. One of the only "pure" socialist experiments in history. Disrupted unfortunately when Stalinist backed groups took control of the anti-fascist forces in Spain.qeee1 wrote:A state resembling a permanent state of anarchy has existed at times, for example a state of relative anarchy existed amongst the Igbo people prior to colonisation. Decisions were made at a local level, every village was free to govern itself, and decisions within villages were made by an assembly of the common people of which no one was given special privilige.unriggable wrote:I dont think there is such a thing as permanent anarchy. Imagine a tribe of maybe fifty people. One person is smarter than all others - he has a record of getting out of dangerous situations. So the people look to him - when he advises that somebody should do something, they do it. Eventually, they make his power official by office. There we go. Back to the start.Gavino07 wrote:Still you have given me no explaination on how Anarchy works. It sounds cool but chaotic to me. Please, i am open to discussion.
Right back atcha. An example would be Vietnam...where the areas controlled locally were actually doing much better than the ones the States were supposedly rehabilitating. People tend to think of these types of social organization as failing because that's what they've been told. Do a little digging and you'll find they were promisingly successful. In terms of long term sustainability we have yet to see, but our democracy for sure isn't working and we're all gung-ho about that........so what's the harm in finding out?Spuzzell wrote: Christ on a bike, the naivety. "The people" are morons. Without government, I'd give it 2 years before people in the US deep south and Newcastle in England are living in caves and eating each other.
Ever wonder why they are so far behind? Hmmm...perhaps our "advancement" is on the backs of others. To me unification does not necessarily mean one government. I means one global power. The States are going for this, but I don't think they'll reach it. The empire and/or a lot of the ecosystem will collapse before this happens.Spuzzell wrote:I can't see a unified worldwide state in our lifetimes. The Middle East and Africa are too far behind the rest of the world in terms of social and economic advancement for unification to happen as anything other than the result of a worldwide holocaust.