Attacking or Defending ?

[Bee-Red]

Which strategy is better ?
1. Attacking in every turn and getting a card
2. Building up armies in few areas and not worrying about other areas
3. Any other suggestions are welcome

[Hologram]

Which strategy is better ?
1. Attacking in every turn and getting a card
2. Building up armies in few areas and not worrying about other areas
3. Any other suggestions are welcome

If you have escalating you'll want to attack EVERY turn if you can. If you're really hurting, just try picking off some easy ones and don't advance at all. If it's flat rate, try to attack but it's not a huge deal. If there are no cards do what your soul tells you to do.

[Kahless]

I think attacking is more important in flat rate than in escalating, particularly in the early stages. No point getting 5 cards in 5 rounds and being the first to cash in for basically no return.

In the first round, I'd always attack until I'd lost 3 armies off my attacking territory. I'd still attack a round more on some occasions if the attacked territory is of strategic importance.

Basically 4 (or more) v 3, or 3 (or more) v 1 is the only time the odds favour the attacker so I'd never attack under other situations unless I'm desperate for the territory.

[wacicha]

i believe in escalating you do not need to attack every turn---

in fact i will open 50 games now and will not attack till at least the second turn.

[UCAbears]

where are they then? jus kiddin I want some more points from ya.. lol

[Aries]

You really like to make a point don't you? lol

What I will do usually in a game is deploy 3 guys on 1 spot, then fortify around. (unless there are a few 1 army countries by the time it's your first turn, and unless I get 4 armies my first turn, or more, and unless I own at least 3/4 of a continent already)

[red bull]

no offence Hologram but you are just a private and if thats how you play thats why ............................ but any way in flat rate you want to attack as much as you can so you can have more countries and you get one card closer to a cash in and the rates dont go up they stay the same.... now with esc if you cash in first you only get 4 men..... wich means that if you are the first to 5 cards you get the least .... I my self wait one or two turns {depending on what the other players do with there turns} take two turns off form taking a card in the first 5 rounds that way i am garented more then 10 men for the cards.........

[wacicha]

they are there bear and i agreed with the flat rate strategy

[wacicha]

51 games started between 322990 to 323052 these i will not attack first hand

now you can test your theory come join

[chessplaya]

51 games started between 322990 to 323052 these i will not attack first hand

now you can test your theory come join

Dont go there he will kick ur ass
and yes i approve with wacicha in escl. always good to miss ur 1st attack unless u go last if u go last attack and miss when u have 4 cards and a set here ya go a secret u can tell ur friends about
and I, only i prefer not to go against cards meaning, if the cards give me a 3 card set i will cash it in...i think it will jinx me if i dont lol

[wacicha]

now chess i have not kicked your butt although i have won you a few times you are a good player and didn't you just beat me in game 306404

[chessplaya]

now chess i have not kicked your butt although i have won you a few times you are a good player and didn't you just beat me in game 306404

lol i aint saying nothing lol

[Bee-Red]

wow...lot of replies...
thank you guys.....that should help me change my strategy !!

[Aries]

Good luck

[wacicha]

---------------- THIS IS FOR NEW PLAYERS COMING INTO FORUM LOOKING FOR HELP

Try to stay away from freestyle games and wierd maps till you are a veteran of many games.

Do not play 3 or 4 person games till you have been around long enough to know the players you are getting into the game with!!

The easiest games to play and learn on I find are Classic Sequential standard escalating with either 1 fortification or unlimited fortification.

-----This is just to get you through the opening turns of that type of game after that point each turn can change the whole outcome

#1 1st turn Deploy only, Do not attack the first turn unless you have 3 out of 4 territories on the small 2 Continents

- Reason - In an Escalating game it is all about cards and men. But the cards are not as important as the men in the first 2 or 3 turns. Think of it more like you have cards but the other guy is keeping them for you.
then fortify a different spot than where you deployed if it is 1 fort or everywhere you can if it is unlimited fort.

#2 Do not ever try to take and hold Europe, North America, or Asia. (Africa is even iffy but can sometimes be done by a better player

Reason - you will be to spread out to properly hold and will spend all your men and effort retaking and fortifying the larger continents and will not be able to take out a weaker player because you are in one area instead of building on 2 or 3 different area's around the map

#3 Everytime you log into game you need to know who is the weakest player and do they have enough cards to be worth taking out

The easiest way to do this is to read the forum in General Discussions for a download called Monkey Script. It Keeps count of Cards, Men, and Countries of each Player you are playing in that game.


Forum - the forum is a tool that you can use. You need to use this tool for all the great information it can give you.

#2In a Flat rate game Men are very important.

In first 3 rounds you need to deploy stratigically and attack softly, if at all. softly means attack once if you do not win the territory then stop attacking. The only real reason you would attack is to take over the small continents because you have 3 of the territories. You may also try for Africa after the 3rd or 4th turn, if you own 3 or 4 of the african continent. More players lose tring to replace men that have been lost trying to hold the borders of North America or Europe, and rarely does any one hold Asia.
Flat rate is important to own each territory you have in the begining. What I mean is are you gonna attack a guy with 4 guys or 1 guy so if you can't get a small continent find 3 territorie to gether and start building from there deploy 1 on each and don't attack but maybe 2 out of 3 turns the first few turns and when you tyrn in a set it is ok to turn in a ed set if you own 2 of the card territories or have to turn them in cause you have 5 cards.

#3 no card game it is about territories and men again you need to own each territory you have leaving none with 1 man unless you got a shot at the small er territories but truth to tell in non card games you could end up owning usa or europe never try for asia ynless you own aussie it will caost to many of their men to breach yur borders and men do not replace easy in a non card game

[chessplaya]

I might only add to what wacicha just said :
the reason why not to play 3 or 4 players games is that once ur the strongest they will all attack u no mercy + its all about lucky drops and lucky dice
for all who are wondering why not to play the 3 or 4 players games

[Bee-Red]

Thanks wacicha
That is good info.

[podge]

If I might add something: Don't always be eager to grab a continent if you are spread out across the map. People don't see you as much of a threat and concentrate on the ones getting bonus armies while you slowly build up yours.

[detlef]

Which strategy is better ?
1. Attacking in every turn and getting a card
2. Building up armies in few areas and not worrying about other areas
3. Any other suggestions are welcome

I like option 3. Avoid dogmatic boiler plate strategies and do what seems right at the time.

There have been people kind enough to determine the relative value of a card for flat rate games. Essentially, they're worth about 2.5 armies each. So, all things being equal, if the only thing you're going to get out of an attack is a card (ie the only bonuses you can cost someone are well protected and are less than what you're earning or there's no other strategical advantage that advancement can gain you), then you need to look at how easy that card can be gained. If you have a one or two army country to attack, by all means, if there's a 3 army territory to attack, that's a bit of a toss-up and any more than that and you should sit tight.

Escalation games are different but early on, it may actually be advantageous to not take one so you'll be at the back of the line for cash-ins (assuming you're not so weak that you'll be dead before you can).

I guess the long winded nature of my argument is better than the argument itself. That being, there is no easy answer.

[Herakilla]

i kinda use a combination of everything. but the difference is sometimes ill switch my priorities suddenly. sometimes ill be attacking you all out then suddenly stop and watch as you fall forward from pushing against me and finding nothing to push, then ill just slit your throat

[Herakilla]

oh and definatly NEVER get a card first turn in esc unless you are one of the last people AND everyone before you got one

[pancakemix]

i believe in escalating you do not need to attack every turn---

in fact i will open 50 games now and will not attack till at least the second turn.

I agree. In escalating, it's better not to attack first turn, as you can wait longer and in turn, get more armies.

In flat rate, however, Attacking first turn is more helpful, as it increases your chances of getting a set.

[RobinJ]

In flat rate you have to be aggressive at the start and try to get a small continent and keep getting cards.

In No Cards you have two choices (in my opinion). You can either play extremely aggressively so that your bonuses are much higher (this is usually better in 3-4 player games) or you can play really defensively and just deploy every turn - even better if you have a small continent (this usually works better in 5-6 player games where nobody will get too powerful too early).

As for escalating, well there have been many arguments saying not to attack on the first turn. Personally, I prefer to attack in the first couple of rounds and get myself a base to work from. Hopefully, there will come a time when I can go a round or two without attacking and fall behind on cards then. Of course, the best place to use this strategy is Oceania on Classic - one border to defend and nobody else ever seems to want to come near you once you've got a strong hold on it.

[safariguy5]

The gametype will dictate whether you want to get a card or not. For example, whenever I play assassin, I always get a card first turn and especially if it's assassin, because a good surgical strike with the use of cards can win the game, and I've found that waiting to cash actually opens the door for somebody else to eliminate their target first.

[hammockboy1]

in escalating the best thing is to attack every turn at all costs