World 3.0 - [Vacation until map size limits are rediscussed]

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:53 pm

read the title and you'll know what i'm talking about. a world 2.1 on steroids. a world that has ALL the countries presented on the map. a world where each and every player can find his country and play for it in a game for world domination. there are 194 countries in the world. i want to make this map as realistic as possible and so there will be no subdivisions for any country like world 2.1 has. for example USA is split into 6 subdivisions in world 2.1. no here it will be just one big terit called USA. that won't be a problem because the intricate bonus system will have no problem to deal with a North American continent made just from Canada and USA.

let me develop further on this new gameplay.

i shall study all the countries in the world and find out the political, economical and religious relationships both good and bad. and the bonuses will be based on a plus and minus system. for example holding several countries from the former soviet block will bring a bonus for having countries that share the same political views. holding iraq and us will bring a negative bonus due to different political views but also due to religious reasons. or let's say you have cuba and russia. bonus for good economical relationship but also bonus for political views. you get the idea.
also huge bonuses will be given for having the entire EU or NATO, etc.

i'm also thinking of maybe adding even more realism to this whole thing. i'm really thinking of a way of making political and economical embargoes possible. for example russia has a good economical relationship with bulgaria and somebody owns both and gets a bonus for them. if somebody else conquers all the countries around bulgaria then this country is considered under trade embargo and it no longer brings a bonus. but that's just an optional thing that i'm not even sure is possible to code in the xml.

so what do you think?

the only problem would be the size of the map. at 194 terits it will for sure not fit in the current size guidlines. but since world 2.1 does not fit and it was allowed to be made and nobody complained i'm sure some understanding would be found in this case.

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:00 pm

make it it sounds awesome

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:20 pm

I 100% back this map. But right now there is no way for it to work. It seems the guideline deadlock has went against us. Unless we can get lack into serious talks with the community in general then i see this staying the way it is.

I think you may have real problems with smaller countries like luxenberg and the countries in indochina.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:26 pm

I like the idea. I also think this size limit malarkey is daft.

willis · Post by **willis** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:30 pm

The1exile wrote:I like the idea. I also think this size limit malarkey is daft.

Damn skippy

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:50 pm

texas should not be forgotten as the most important of all countries

onbekende · Post by **onbekende** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:55 pm

< info on Belgium just a pm away

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:58 pm

magneticgoop wrote:make it it sounds awesome

if it only was tht easy

first i'll need feedback from the community hence the poll.
second i'll need some feedback from the mods on the size issue

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:00 pm

by the way, i think there should be bonuses for specialised forms of cuisine. Like thai, indian, chinese, french, italian, mexican, etc.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:00 pm

gimil wrote:I 100% back this map. But right now there is no way for it to work. It seems the guideline deadlock has went against us. Unless we can get lack into serious talks with the community in general then i see this staying the way it is.

I think you may have real problems with smaller countries like luxenberg and the countries in indochina.

yes i know about the problem with the size limitations. but since world 2.1 was deemed worthy of live play and size guidelines were bent because it is a geographical map i'm hoping that this one will also get some lenience.

and yes i'm aware of small size countries like luxembourg or vatican and i will deal with them at the right time.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:02 pm

willis wrote:
The1exile wrote:I like the idea. I also think this size limit malarkey is daft.
Damn skippy

thanks for the support guys. if only lack was here to read about the size guidelines and do something

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:03 pm

magneticgoop wrote:texas should not be forgotten as the most important of all countries

i wasn't aware that texas was an independent country. damn encyclopedia i knew i shouldn't have trusted them

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:04 pm

onbekende wrote:< info on Belgium just a pm away

will do in case i need info i can't find.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:05 pm

The1exile wrote:by the way, i think there should be bonuses for specialised forms of cuisine. Like thai, indian, chinese, french, italian, mexican, etc.

you have conquered my pizza suppliers i shall take your sushi.
would you like chopsticks or a regular fork?

onbekende · Post by **onbekende** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:15 pm

DiM wrote:and yes i'm aware of small size countries like luxembourg or vatican and i will deal with them at the right time.

Benelux is a way to clear that up

(first stage of EU!!)

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:20 pm

onbekende wrote:
DiM wrote:and yes i'm aware of small size countries like luxembourg or vatican and i will deal with them at the right time.
Benelux is a way to clear that up (first stage of EU!!)

nope i don't want to group countries like that. if by the time this map starts belgium netherlands and luxembourg unite as one state then i shall do that. in the meantime i plan to respect all the correct borders.

onbekende · Post by **onbekende** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:30 pm

DiM wrote:
onbekende wrote:
DiM wrote:and yes i'm aware of small size countries like luxembourg or vatican and i will deal with them at the right time.
Benelux is a way to clear that up (first stage of EU!!)
nope i don't want to group countries like that. if by the time this map starts belgium netherlands and luxembourg unite as one state then i shall do that. in the meantime i plan to respect all the correct borders.

then I shall see that you got each little state imaginable

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:30 pm

DiM wrote:
The1exile wrote:by the way, i think there should be bonuses for specialised forms of cuisine. Like thai, indian, chinese, french, italian, mexican, etc.
you have conquered my pizza suppliers i shall take your sushi.
would you like chopsticks or a regular fork?

I can eat pizza with my fingers, but thanks.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:50 pm

onbekende wrote:
DiM wrote:
onbekende wrote:
DiM wrote:and yes i'm aware of small size countries like luxembourg or vatican and i will deal with them at the right time.
Benelux is a way to clear that up (first stage of EU!!)
nope i don't want to group countries like that. if by the time this map starts belgium netherlands and luxembourg unite as one state then i shall do that. in the meantime i plan to respect all the correct borders.
then I shall see that you got each little state imaginable

how's this?

The countries of the world and capitals of every country:

Afghanistan - Kabul
Albania - Tirane
Algeria - Algiers
Andorra - Andorra la Vella
Angola - Luanda
Antigua and Barbuda - Saint John's
Argentina - Buenos Aires
Armenia - Yerevan
Australia - Canberra
Austria - Vienna
Azerbaijan - Baku
The Bahamas - Nassau
Bahrain - Manama
Bangladesh - Dhaka
Barbados - Bridgetown
Belarus - Minsk
Belgium - Brussels
Belize - Belmopan
Benin - Porto-Novo
Bhutan - Thimphu
Bolivia - La Paz (administrative); Sucre (judicial)
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Sarajevo
Botswana - Gaborone
Brazil - Brasilia
Brunei - Bandar Seri Begawan
Bulgaria - Sofia
Burkina Faso - Ouagadougou
Burundi - Bujumbura
Cambodia - Phnom Penh
Cameroon - Yaounde
Canada - Ottawa
Cape Verde - Praia
Central African Republic - Bangui
Chad - N'Djamena
Chile - Santiago
China - Beijing
Colombia - Bogota
Comoros - Moroni
Congo, Republic of the - Brazzaville
Congo, Democratic Republic of the - Kinshasa
Costa Rica - San Jose
Cote d'Ivoire - Yamoussoukro (official); Abidjan (de facto)
Croatia - Zagreb
Cuba - Havana
Cyprus - Nicosia
Czech Republic - Prague
Denmark - Copenhagen
Djibouti - Djibouti
Dominica - Roseau
Dominican Republic - Santo Domingo
East Timor - Dili
Ecuador - Quito
Egypt - Cairo
El Salvador - San Salvador
Equatorial Guinea - Malabo
Eritrea - Asmara
Estonia - Tallinn
Ethiopia - Addis Ababa
Fiji - Suva
Finland - Helsinki
France - Paris
Gabon - Libreville
The Gambia - Banjul
Georgia - Tbilisi
Germany - Berlin
Ghana - Accra
Greece - Athens
Grenada - Saint George's
Guatemala - Guatemala City
Guinea - Conakry
Guinea-Bissau - Bissau
Guyana - Georgetown
Haiti - Port-au-Prince
Honduras - Tegucigalpa
Hungary - Budapest
Iceland - Reykjavik
India - New Delhi
Indonesia - Jakarta
Iran - Tehran
Iraq - Baghdad
Ireland - Dublin
Israel - Jerusalem
Italy - Rome
Jamaica - Kingston
Japan - Tokyo
Jordan - Amman
Kazakhstan - Astana
Kenya - Nairobi
Kiribati - Tarawa Atoll
Korea, North - Pyongyang
Korea, South - Seoul
Kuwait - Kuwait City
Kyrgyzstan - Bishkek
Laos - Vientiane
Latvia - Riga
Lebanon - Beirut
Lesotho - Maseru
Liberia - Monrovia
Libya - Tripoli
Liechtenstein - Vaduz
Lithuania - Vilnius
Luxembourg - Luxembourg
Macedonia - Skopje
Madagascar - Antananarivo
Malawi - Lilongwe
Malaysia - Kuala Lumpur
Maldives - Male
Mali - Bamako
Malta - Valletta
Marshall Islands - Majuro
Mauritania - Nouakchott
Mauritius - Port Louis
Mexico - Mexico City
Federated States of Micronesia - Palikir
Moldova - Chisinau
Monaco - Monaco
Mongolia - Ulaanbaatar
Montenegro - Podgorica
Morocco - Rabat
Mozambique - Maputo
Myanmar (Burma) - Rangoon (Yangon); Nay Pyi Taw (administrative)
Namibia - Windhoek
Nauru - no official capital; government offices in Yaren District
Nepal - Kathmandu
Netherlands - Amsterdam; The Hague (seat of government)
New Zealand - Wellington
Nicaragua - Managua
Niger - Niamey
Nigeria - Abuja
Norway - Oslo
Oman - Muscat
Pakistan - Islamabad
Palau - Melekeok
Panama - Panama City
Papua New Guinea - Port Moresby
Paraguay - Asuncion
Peru - Lima
Philippines - Manila
Poland - Warsaw
Portugal - Lisbon
Qatar - Doha
Romania - Bucharest
Russia - Moscow
Rwanda - Kigali
Saint Kitts and Nevis - Basseterre
Saint Lucia - Castries
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines - Kingstown
Samoa - Apia
San Marino - San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe - Sao Tome
Saudi Arabia - Riyadh
Senegal - Dakar
Serbia - Belgrade
Seychelles - Victoria
Sierra Leone - Freetown
Singapore - Singapore
Slovakia - Bratislava
Slovenia - Ljubljana
Solomon Islands - Honiara
Somalia - Mogadishu
South Africa - Pretoria (administrative); Cape Town (legislative); Bloemfontein (judiciary)
Spain - Madrid
Sri Lanka - Colombo; Sri Jayewardenepura Kotte (legislative)
Sudan - Khartoum
Suriname - Paramaribo
Swaziland - Mbabana
Sweden - Stockholm
Switzerland - Bern
Syria - Damascus
Taiwan - Taipei
Tajikistan - Dushanbe
Tanzania - Dar es Salaam; Dodoma (legislative)
Thailand - Bangkok
Togo - Lome
Tonga - Nuku'alofa
Trinidad and Tobago - Port-of-Spain
Tunisia - Tunis
Turkey - Ankara
Turkmenistan - Ashgabat
Tuvalu - Vaiaku village, Funafuti province
Uganda - Kampala
Ukraine - Kyiv
United Arab Emirates - Abu Dhabi
United Kingdom - London
United States - Washington D.C.
Uruguay - Montevideo
Uzbekistan - Tashkent
Vanuatu - Port-Vila
Vatican City (Holy See) - Vatican City
Venezuela - Caracas
Vietnam - Hanoi
Yemen - Sanaa
Zambia - Lusaka
Zimbabwe - Harare

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:08 pm

United Kingdom - London

dont think that is correct now that scotland and wales have their own governments, might want to split it up but have a bonus for controlling the queens interest:
england
scotland
ireland
wales
australia
(and other commonwealth countries)

Tisha · Post by **Tisha** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:10 pm

exactly how wide is 2.1? and how wide would 3.0 be? i don't think i would play it if i had to scroll side to side also..

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:14 pm

maybe it will 'slip through the cracks'.

lord knows how many people would have been deprived if world 2.0 got hamstrung like the other big maps. 35,000 games and counting, all because the mods made a mistake and let a great map through.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:51 pm

The whole bonus system sounds too confusing for me. I still can't fully figure out AoM

Otherwise good Idea I guess.

Keredrex · Post by **Keredrex** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:39 am

Awesome idea.. do it... I wonder .. since you are gettting so in depth... Yuo may want to add Some of the Oceans as territory ... as In US Controlled Waters / or trade routes... That would be a great way to incorporate military strength Bonuses...Which can be Regulated by adding More neutrals there than normal to control the balance at start of the game

Som General · Post by **Som General** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:53 am

A couple Ideas.

Have Natural Resource bonuses like that in age of merchants

I know you may be against this since it wouldnt be geographical but you could tone down the size of the larger countries and do the reverse for the smaller countreis

if you dont like that idea for areas with lots of tiny countries you could Put zoomed in boxes of that area in dead zones on the map such as parts of the pacific indian atlantic oceans e.t.c.

World 3.0 - [Vacation until map size limits are rediscussed]

would you play world 3.0 even if the size would exceed the guidelines?

World 3.0 - [Vacation until map size limits are rediscussed]

Excellent....