Feedback

john1099 · Post by **john1099** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:15 am

I recently asked for one my of my negative feedbacks to be removed.
The same guy put pretty well the same thing twice.
We played 3 times.

The first time: You are such a bad loser. You moved your troops every 24 hours what a bad way to lose a game. I´ll ignore you. You should b carefull with this guy!!
Deleted by moderator for this reason: Not factual

Ok, It got deleted, no problem.

Second time I PM'd the feedback system thing, because of this feedback:
This guy does not play fair, he moved all his troops every 24 hours. The game was totally boring. Its a bad way to lose a game.

I received an e-mail back, saying:
Err, I don't know the exact words, as I guess the tickets after being reviewed are deleted?
Anyways, it said something to the effect "Yes, we agree with you that the first time the feedback was incorrect, but this one is factual"

Since when is it illegal to take 24 hours to take your turns?
I believe that this is totally unreasonable, and would like one of the actual moderators to take a look at this.
Thanks,
-John

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:40 am

Unless, John, it's factual cause the game was boring?

alster · Post by **alster** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:13 am

It seems to depend on who makes the decision. I've also recieved pretty divergent answers there.

My favorite is that I got a message saying a negative feedback that I had left had been deleted due to using the word "asshole" to describe, well, a total asshole. Was deleted for "foul language". I changed it to "jerk" and it was put up again.

Then, a few days later someone wrote a shitload of stuff (guess he was upset with me) including "whore" etc. Don't remember all of it. I asked it to be deleted for "foul language" reasons, figured the guy should at least rewrite it. Was it deleted? Oh no. Not foul language there. LOL. But I pointed out the divergences and managed to get the whore thing stricken. Suggest you do the same.

john1099 · Post by **john1099** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:43 am

Skittles! wrote:Unless, John, it's factual cause the game was boring?

Still How Can You Have 2 Standards

Banderaguy · Post by **Banderaguy** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:32 pm

i had the same thing... BALLYKAT gives me a negative for missing a turn... i emailed him and explained to him my situation to try remove it! told him i am in the navy and sometimes i miss turns, but i am land based and normally don't miss any, and when i do its tactics to build up my guys for 1 last fight! he never responded so i left him a neutral.... the guy removes it through emailing the mods, so i edit it and turn it into a negative! crying gets you no where.

alster · Post by **alster** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:31 am

Banderaguy wrote:i had the same thing... BALLYKAT gives me a negative for missing a turn... i emailed him and explained to him my situation to try remove it! told him i am in the navy and sometimes i miss turns, but i am land based and normally don't miss any, and when i do its tactics to build up my guys for 1 last fight! he never responded so i left him a neutral.... the guy removes it through emailing the mods, so i edit it and turn it into a negative! crying gets you no where.

LOL. Read the feedbacks. Nice.

Post by **king achilles** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:39 pm

john1099

The reason the feedback was deleted the first time is because it was tagged with a different game so the comments stated there was not factual. So what the other player did is he made the same feedback but this time with the correct game which became factual. I mentioned that in my response to your ticket, but in your thread here, you seem to have "forgotten" about that note. Also, the game was freestyle. It is not illegal to take your turn for almost 24 hours, but it is also permissible to leave a feedback about it especially if it was done more than once.

john1099 · Post by **john1099** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:21 am

king achilles wrote:john1099

The reason the feedback was deleted the first time is because it was tagged with a different game so the comments stated there was not factual. So what the other player did is he made the same feedback but this time with the correct game which became factual. I mentioned that in my response to your ticket, but in your thread here, you seem to have "forgotten" about that note. Also, the game was freestyle. It is not illegal to take your turn for almost 24 hours, but it is also permissible to leave a feedback about it especially if it was done more than once.

So because I had something else better to do then sit at my computer and play a non- rt freestyle game, I got fucked by a negative feedback for it?
It seems very moronic to me.
I did the exact same thing in both games, and two different results.

By the way, who the hell are you, and why are you deleting my feedback.
You've been here for like 2 months, seems odd to me

Post by **king achilles** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:55 am

You have used the "trick" or "flaw" in playing freestyle games. It worked for you. However, not all players share this type of play so you had a feedback about it. Simple as that.

Right now, I am just helping the webmaster and the moderators answering some tickets while they are busy with some updates for the website.

yorkiepeter · Post by **yorkiepeter** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:03 am

king achilles wrote:You have used the "trick" or "flaw" in playing freestyle games. It worked for you. However, not all players share this type of play so you had a feedback about it. Simple as that.

Right now, I am just helping the webmaster and the moderators answering some tickets while they are busy with some updates for the website.

Nah, you don't fool me wicked. You forgot that you were signed on with your multi

ZawBanjito · Post by **ZawBanjito** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:55 am

I agree with this complaint, though... it's not a "trick" or a "flaw" if it's actually the rules of the freestyle play, is it? If the guy doesn't like it, don't play freestyle. If the player wants to complain about the site, he should do it on the forums, not in pointless feedback.

Post by **king achilles** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:16 am

Freestyles is when the players are free to move at the same time in one turn. You have 24 hours to make your turn. But purposely making your move before the time expires becomes something else.

alster · Post by **alster** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:20 am

king achilles wrote:Freestyles is when the players are free to move at the same time in one turn. You have 24 hours to make your turn. But purposely making your move before the time expires becomes something else.

So.... that makes the game become something else than a freestyle game? LOL. Wouldn't think so.

ZawBanjito · Post by **ZawBanjito** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:37 am

This argument is made continuously, but for those who have never been convinced, please explain again: how so? If he wanted a real time game, there are ways to organize that. There are allowances made for real time games, and speed games are being prepared for release even as we speak. If freestyle was in fact the mode of play designed for those available to all move at once, what need is there for these other modes? Freestyle is just another rule set this site has. Part of those rules is that you have 24 hours for a turn. It happens that you MAY get a slight advantage for waiting until the end of those 24 hours, in the same way as in escalating you MAY get a slight advantage for not taking a card in the turn.

While I agree that there is latitude for abusing rules - a good case would be attacking in an escalating game by letting the time run out to get the advantage described above - I think it could be argued that the 24 hour allowance in freestyle is a DESIGNED aspect of the rules, the evidence for this being that it was there in the beginning and hasn't substantially changed since, and is paralleled in the other modes.

Freestyle play leans heavily, even EXCLUSIVELY towards the exact timing of moves. There are 24 hours available within which to time these moves. The advantage has always gone to those with the time to take full advantage of this entire period. This is the way it's always been, since day one.

The complaint seems like saying, "This player followed the rules, and played in the same way everyone has always played. Disliking these rules, despite agreeing to play under them, I am annoyed." Letting it stand is like saying, "We agree, these rules blow."

I say delete the complaint and tell the player to play sequential if he can't handle the heat.

treefiddy · Post by **treefiddy** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:57 am

ZawBanjito wrote:I think it could be argued that the 24 hour allowance in freestyle is a DESIGNED aspect of the rules, the evidence for this being that it was there in the beginning and hasn't substantially changed since, and is paralleled in the other modes.

Except that in these situations, one of the players does not get 24 hours to take their turn. Sometimes they only get about 30 seconds. I believe that is a flaw in the design.

john1099 · Post by **john1099** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:28 pm

treefiddy wrote:
ZawBanjito wrote:I think it could be argued that the 24 hour allowance in freestyle is a DESIGNED aspect of the rules, the evidence for this being that it was there in the beginning and hasn't substantially changed since, and is paralleled in the other modes.
Except that in these situations, one of the players does not get 24 hours to take their turn. Sometimes they only get about 30 seconds. I believe that is a flaw in the design.

but an honest flaw at that.
Until someone takes it out, feedback related to the issue should be deleted

treefiddy · Post by **treefiddy** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:04 pm

I don't really agree. I can be a dickhead in chat and get a negative feedback for it. I can't use the excuse "well they gave me chat for a reason!"

I do think that if they do not wish to change anything, then they should put it right in the FAQ as a strategy.

john1099 · Post by **john1099** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:24 am

treefiddy wrote:I don't really agree. I can be a dickhead in chat and get a negative feedback for it. I can't use the excuse "well they gave me chat for a reason!"

I do think that if they do not wish to change anything, then they should put it right in the FAQ as a strategy.

How about freedom of speech?
There is no rule against vulgar or inappropriate use of language.
So how can you get a NF for that ?

alster · Post by **alster** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:12 am

john1099 wrote:How about freedom of speech?
There is no rule against vulgar or inappropriate use of language.
So how can you get a NF for that ?

LOL. Well, the CC website isn't exactly governed by the Constitution. It's a private site. And if you look at the rules, they stem the tide against too abusive expressions.

Besides, if someone hands you a neg. feedback for being vulgar etc. they are merely exercising their own freedom of speech saying that they think you sucked doing that. Freedom of speech is a two-way street, people will tell you stuff as well. Neg. feedback for has nothing to do with the CC rules, it's just a statement from another player.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:49 am

People who exploit the freestyle gamestyle to force the other player to miss a turn deserve feedback warning others that's how they play. Until this loophole is fixed, it will continue to be allowed.

JOHNNYROCKET24 · Post by **JOHNNYROCKET24** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:38 am

wicked wrote:People who exploit the freestyle gamestyle to force the other player to miss a turn deserve feedback warning others that's how they play. Until this loophole is fixed, it will continue to be allowed.

its not a loophole. thats the style of the game. If you dont like it, than dont play it. feedback should not be permitted to be left or this. Every player that plays these games knows that the tactic can be played on any given round. I had this tactic played vs me many times and not once did I leave a feedback about it. I actually received a feedback where the player saw me do it in another game vs a different player....NOT EVEN HIM and I was told the feedback stands. Thats just rediculous. Players are now permitted to leave feedback for other games they are not playing in. Look at the response from turtle. he never missed a turn and still left feedback about it because he saw me do it in another game.

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... NYROCKET24

wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

alster · Post by **alster** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:32 am

JC - As always I concur.

Too many people take this game way too serious and in their small minds they expect and demand people to play in certain ways.

I find that the fact that it's explictly stated that a round can take up to 24 hours together with the fact that people voluntarily joins/starts a public game with certain settings should be enough to prevent crap like this from being ok as feedback.

firstholliday · Post by **firstholliday** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:56 am

So why did you gave Sir Titus one? You cheated and leave nf for be calling a Motherfucker.... and you are... A major my ass.

firstholliday · Post by **firstholliday** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:58 am

PostPosted: 01 Sep 2007 09:12 Post subject: Reply with quote
john1099 wrote:
How about freedom of speech?
There is no rule against vulgar or inappropriate use of language.
So how can you get a NF for that ? Eh?

LOL. Well, the CC website isn't exactly governed by the Constitution. It's a private site. And if you look at the rules, they stem the tide against too abusive expressions.

Besides, if someone hands you a neg. feedback for being vulgar etc. they are merely exercising their own freedom of speech saying that they think you sucked doing that. Freedom of speech is a two-way street, people will tell you stuff as well. Neg. feedback for has nothing to do with the CC rules, it's just a statement from another player.

firstholliday · Post by **firstholliday** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:03 am

wicked wrote:People who exploit the freestyle gamestyle to force the other player to miss a turn deserve feedback warning others that's how they play. Until this loophole is fixed, it will continue to be allowed.

what about 1, that was send by the cheater because he.was. called names.

Ps alstergen is a shame to this site.