Tim Timmerman + eyewitnesses to the 757 that hit pentagon

[xtratabasco]

See Backglass cant or doesnt want to think for himself, he needs this government to tell him how and what to think, in all the 911 threads he keeps telling us that because the eyewitnesses saw the 757 (which he cannot produce pics of) hit the pentagon then everyone that disputes the governments story is a nut case.

But he forgets that most of the witnesses worked at the Pentagon.

Gee, dont tell me they were told what to say they saw.

this thread is dedicated to backglass and all the other sheeple here.





Lets look at those eyewitnesses again. These are the ones who say they saw the 757 hit the Pentagon.


Q. What about all the eyewitnesses that said they saw the 757 hit the Pentagon?

I came up with a list of the named individuals who have claimed, at one time or another,
to have witnessed something flying near,
headed towards, and/or crashing into the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001.


Consider the following list of self-described witnesses:

Gary Bauer, Paul Begala, Bobby Eberle, Mike Gerson, Alfred Regnery, and Greta Van Susteren.
Many of them need no introduction, but let's run through the list anyway:
Gary Bauer: Talking head and former Republican presidential candidate
who has been linked to the notorious Project for a New American Century.
Paul Begala: Democratic Party operative and nominally liberal punching bag on CNN's "Crossfire."
Bobby Eberle: President and CEO of GOPUSA, a portal of right-wing propaganda.
Mike Gerson: Director of George W. Bush's speech writing staff.
Alfred Regnery: President of Regnery Publishing, another portal of right-wing propaganda --
one that has seen fit to bestow upon the world the literary stylings of Ann Coulter,
the Swift Boat Veterans, and numerous other accomplished liars.
Greta Van Susteren: Nominally liberal legal analyst for Fox News.

All of the people on that list share at least one thing in common: they are all professional liars.

It is their job, individually and collectively, to lie to the American people. On a daily basis.

They are, by any objective appraisal, propagandists for the state.
So if all of them are selling the same story, in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary,
it is probably best to assume that they might not be telling the truth.




Let's take a look now at some of the other people that are hawking the same story:
Dennis Clem, Penny Elgas, Albert Hemphill, Lincoln Leibner, Stephen McGraw, Mitch Mitchell,
Patty Murray, Rick Renzi, James Robbins, Meseidy Rodriguez,
Darb Ryan, Elizabeth Smiley, and Clyde Vaughn. And who are they? Allow me to handle the introductions:

Dennis Clem is a Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Penny Elgas sits on the FDIC Advisory Committee on Banking Policy, alongside of Jean Baker,
who just happens to be the Chief of Staff at the Office of President George H.W. Bush.
Albert Hemphill is a Lt. General with the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.
Captain (now Major) Lincoln Leibner is a communications officer for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
Stephen McGraw is a former U.S. Department of Justice attorney reborn as an Opus Dei priest.
Colonel Mitch Mitchell serves as a CBS News war spinner military consultant.
Patty Murray is a United States Senator (D-Washington).
Rick Renzi is a United States Congressman (R-Arizona).
James Robbins is a contributor to National Review, a national security analyst,
and a Senior Fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council


Anybody see anyone on that list that they would want to buy a used car from? No?

How about Colonel Bruce Elliot or Major Joseph Candelario? Or Lt. Cols. Stuart Artman or Frank

"Had I not hit the deck, the plane would have taken off my head"
Probst? Still no? Then how about Elaine McCusker, a Co-Chairman of the Coalition for National Security Research?
Or retired Naval Commanders Donald Bouchoux or Lesley Kelly?
How about Shari Taylor, a finance manager at the Defense Intelligence Agency, or Philip Sheuerman,
the Associate General Counsel for the U.S. Air Force?

How about any of the names on this list:
Bob Dubill, Mary Ann Owens, Richard Benedetto, Christopher Munsey, Vin Narayanan, Joel Sucherman,
Mike Walter, Steve Anderson, Fred Gaskins and Mark Faram?
Aside from claiming to have witnessed the attack on the Pentagon, what do these ten people have in common?



let's now take a look at who our group of mystery witnesses are
(or who they were at the time of the Pentagon attack):

Bob Dubill was the executive editor for USA Today.
Mary Ann Owens was a journalist for Gannett.
Richard Benedetto was a reporter for USA Today.
Christopher Munsey was a reporter for Navy Times.
Vin Narayanan was a reporter for USA Today.
Joel Sucherman was a multimedia editor for USA Today.
Mike Walter was a reporter for USA Today.
Steve Anderson was the director of communications for USA Today.
Fred Gaskins was the national editor for USA Today.
Mark Faram was a reporter for Navy Times.

Is it just me, or does anyone else detect a pattern here?
Bob Franken: What can you tell us about the plane itself?
Tim Timmerman: It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question.
Franken: You say it was a Boeing, and you say it was a 757 or 767?
Timmerman: 7-5-7.
Franken: 757, which, of course ?
Timmerman: American Airlines. Franken: American Airlines ...

And who exactly was this witness who was so sure of his identification of the plane?

No one seems to know. One researcher (Jerry Russell)
failed in his efforts to verify that he is an actual person.
Pictures and info from; davesweb.cnchost.com/

[Frigidus]

So people who frequent news channels and were in NYC during 9/11 are the most commonly interviewed people? No way! You'd think that random people off the street would have been taking interviews months after the fact since they don't have anything better to do.

Edit: First!

[soundout9]

are you done yet with multi threads on 9/11
All you are doing is spamming the clubhouse with these pointless threads when they should all be 1

[xtratabasco]

So people who frequent news channels and were in NYC during 9/11 are the most commonly interviewed people? No way! You'd think that random people off the street would have been taking interviews months after the fact since they don't have anything better to do.

Edit: First!

well bring em on

[Iliad]

are you done yet with multi threads on 9/11
All you are doing is spamming the clubhouse with these pointless threads when they should all be 1

for the first time I agree with you

[DaGip]

Xtra, you have to remember that there were other people interviewed by PentaCon website who dispute the government's official flight path for flight 77, but they all seem to agree that a 757 hit the pentagon. So it does seem to me that a 757 either did hit the pentagon or apparently seemed to hit the pentagon. From the separate eyewitnesses found by PentaCon and the information provided by flight 77's black box, it seems plausible that it could have been made to seem like a 757 hit the pentagon.

And as for Anne Coulter being a liar...I agree.

But as for Gretta...no way, Jose'! Gretta is way to cool to lie...I believe she saw what she thinks she saw (I didn't know Gretta was one of the eyewitnesses???)

[xtratabasco]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22


this can answer those questions



and what about Tim Timmerman?

he is the one that was on TV saying it was a United 757 and it flew right over him.

the only porblem is that he doesnt exsist.


maybe subway should make a tim timmerman hogee and they can help flush him out.


as to gretta, I see nothing different between her and anybody else on that list of eyewitnesess.

[wicked]

From now on, all these 911 conspiracy threads should be in one thread. Feel free to PM me if any of you notice multiple threads from this point forward. Thanks for your help.

[xtratabasco]

From now on, all these 911 conspiracy threads should be in one thread. Feel free to PM me if any of you notice multiple threads from this point forward. Thanks for your help.

yes and that goes for all sports threads or music threads or movies etc.


gee this place is gonna be empty thanks to wicked and her "new" rules

[Snorri1234]

WHY HELLO THAR WALL OF TEXT!

[unriggable]

If you want pics of your beloved and everpresent 757, I suggest you look at other threads. There's a wheel, there's a video frame, there's witnesses. You are the only delusional ones left.

[xtratabasco]

If you want pics of your beloved and everpresent 757, I suggest you look at other threads. There's a wheel, there's a video frame, there's witnesses. You are the only delusional ones left.

yep and they were all debunked.

here

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22



try try try again.

[unriggable]

Just say them. Seriously.

[unriggable]

Right off the bat, bullshit. Building 7 and its destruction, along with the controlled demolition. Notice how there is smoke at the top of the building, if it was controlled there would be none. It is also falling to the side, a controlled demolition would implode.

[unriggable]

Explosives - there were no explosions recorded on video! You'd see them! and the melted steel comes from friction as the tower crumbles upon itself. They also fail to note what has been said over and over again, that steel gets much weaker at ~1500 degrees, and the pressure put by the floors above would certainly have an effect. that's why one tower, which was hit much lower, collapsed an hour quicker than the other.

[alex_white101]

unrig i commend u for trying to argue but anything he dosent like he just ignores or says something about ''kids with boxcutters'' and then says ''next'' its just not worth wasting ur time over....

[unriggable]

More bullshit - tower doesnt fall at the speed of gravity. The debris falls faster than the building.

[unriggable]

Not so sure now, are you xtra? That's right. Now I have a link that will shut you up.

[Bavarian Raven]

...but with the USA government who really knows what is true when they speak....

[unriggable]

...but with the USA government who really knows what is true when they speak....

Yeah, well, these guys filmed a plane crash into a building. There are pictures of debris, yet some pricks think a globalhawk or missile or anything really (they have no hypothesis) hit the pentagon / wtc.

[unriggable]

Now we all know xtratabasco's tactics for posting - if you say anything, he says "the video debunks this". So I decided to jump in. This post is about my epic battle against the conspiracy theories.

In This thread, I watched the video. I gave reasons. He doesn't post in this thread ever again. A little evasive, don't you think? A conspircay theorist takes things like these head-on and yet he avoids them entirely.

If you want pics of your beloved and everpresent 757, I suggest you look at other threads. There's a wheel, there's a video frame, there's witnesses. You are the only delusional ones left.

yep and they were all debunked.

here

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22



try try try again.

Right off the bat, bullshit. Building 7 and its destruction, along with the controlled demolition. Notice how there is smoke at the top of the building, if it was controlled there would be none. It is also falling to the side, a controlled demolition would implode.

Explosives - there were no explosions recorded on video! You'd see them! and the melted steel comes from friction as the tower crumbles upon itself. They also fail to note what has been said over and over again, that steel gets much weaker at ~1500 degrees, and the pressure put by the floors above would certainly have an effect. that's why one tower, which was hit much lower, collapsed an hour quicker than the other.

More bullshit - tower doesnt fall at the speed of gravity. The debris falls faster than the building.

So I go to another thread.

Xtra, there's a response waiting for you. That infallible video you showed me was full of holes within ten minutes. So stop giving us bullshit.

rig you are full of holes, everything you say is bunk since the day youve been on this site so I give you zero credibility.



but why dont you PM me with all the bull shit you detected.


I can wait.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 937#844937

PM rig PM

dont disrespect Guis and clog your crap here that doesnt even make sense to the link.

Holy shit...

So I do what he says.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 937#844937

yeah I saw that.

now get to explainen or beat it.

Did you read?

On the grounds of building 7, when a building is destroyed demolition style it A) does not have a trail of smoke above it and B) implodes. Building 7 had both.

On falling the speed of gravity, notice the debris falling faster than the actual building.

look watch the fucking video then will go over it point by point


how old are you 8?

I watched the video, and it is clearly wrong. Those still pictures are from the video. It never explains these. Sorry but the video isn't a wall.

the video is an hour and a half...so your lying

I wont deal with a liar.

Conclusion: What a fucking moron.

[xtratabasco]

are you trying to tell us the owner of building 7 lied when he says "we pulled it"

are you saying that it is perfectly normal for a 40+ steel framed building to come down in its footprint when it has a couple of small fires?

are you telling us that the 911 commission is correct not to even discuss building 7?


are you trying to tell us that steel buildings fall down all the time, kind of like flipping a coin? heads it stays up, tails it falls down.


first you tell us a 757 hit the pentagon, but you wont show us any pictures of it, and now this?




Keep trying dude your the best comedy around.







PBS Documentary: Silverstein, FDNY Razed WTC 7

By Jeremy Baker

In a stunning and belated development concerning the attacks of 9/11 Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish the Solomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001.

This admission appeared in a PBS documentary originally aired in Sept. of 2002 entitled "America Rebuilds". Mr Silverstein's comments came after FEMA and the Society of Civil Engineers conducted an extensive and costly investigation into the curious collapse of WTC 7. The study specifically concluded that the building had collapsed as a result of the inferno within, sparked, apparently, by debris falling from the crumbling North Tower.

In the documentary Silverstein makes the following statement;

"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

[DaGip]

are you trying to tell us the owner of building 7 lied when he says "we pulled it"

are you saying that it is perfectly normal for a 40+ steel framed building to come down in its footprint when it has a couple of small fires?

are you telling us that the 911 commission is correct not to even discuss building 7?


are you trying to tell us that steel buildings fall down all the time, kind of like flipping a coin? heads it stays up, tails it falls down.


first you tell us a 757 hit the pentagon, but you wont show us any pictures of it, and now this?




Keep trying dude your the best comedy around.







PBS Documentary: Silverstein, FDNY Razed WTC 7

By Jeremy Baker

In a stunning and belated development concerning the attacks of 9/11 Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish the Solomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001.

This admission appeared in a PBS documentary originally aired in Sept. of 2002 entitled "America Rebuilds". Mr Silverstein's comments came after FEMA and the Society of Civil Engineers conducted an extensive and costly investigation into the curious collapse of WTC 7. The study specifically concluded that the building had collapsed as a result of the inferno within, sparked, apparently, by debris falling from the crumbling North Tower.

In the documentary Silverstein makes the following statement;

"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

Yeah, you got love the way Silverstein refers to himself as the smartest guy on the planet...and then how he says Pull it with a crooked sneer...what a greedy deuschbag!

[neoni]

i saw that sneaky reference to der vaterland, and i am not happy.

raus hier, hunde!

[wicked]

unriggable, I've asked xtra to keep all this future threads about 911 conspiracies to one thread, and I'd like you (and everyone) to do the same. I've merged your thread into the thread you were responding to. thanks.