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fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:34 pm
by captain.crazy
Anyone know why our city and county water systems are pumping mass amounts of fluoride into our water supply?

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:35 pm
by LYR
captain.crazy wrote:Anyone know why our city and county water systems are pumping mass amounts of fluoride into our water supply?
Good for dental health.









Bad for the rest of the body.

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:36 pm
by LYR
In other words, they want us to have shorter lifespans so one we die "they" can use our teeth for necklaces.

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:39 pm
by captain.crazy
But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:41 pm
by LYR
captain.crazy wrote:But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.
Link please.

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:48 pm
by captain.crazy
Fluoridation does not affect the appearance, taste, or smell of drinking water.[1] It is normally accomplished by adding one of three compounds to the water: sodium fluoride, fluorosilicic acid, or sodium fluorosilicate.
Sodium fluoride (NaF) was the first compound used and is the reference standard.[26] It is a white, odorless powder or crystal; the crystalline form is preferred if manual handling is used, as it minimizes dust.[27] It is more expensive than the other compounds, but is easily handled and is usually used by smaller utility companies.[28]
Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) is a cheap liquid byproduct of phosphate fertilizer manufacture.[26] It comes in varying strengths, typically 23–25%; because it contains so much water, shipping can be expensive.[27] It is also known as hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid.[26]
Sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) is a powder or very fine crystal that is easier to ship than fluorosilicic acid. It is also known as sodium silicofluoride.[27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

EDIT: added
Hexafluorosilicic acid releases hydrogen fluoride when evaporated, so it has similar risks. It is corrosive and may cause fluoride poisoning; inhalation of the vapors may cause lung edema. Like hydrogen fluoride, it attacks glass and stoneware.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorosilicic_acid

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:52 pm
by captain.crazy
Isn't it lovely how they so blatantly poison us?

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:54 pm
by StiffMittens
captain.crazy wrote:Anyone know why our city and county water systems are pumping mass amounts of fluoride into our water supply?
Ripper: Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?

Mandrake: Well, no I... I can't say I have, Jack.

Ripper: Vodka. That's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?

Mandrake: Well I... I believe that's what they drink, Jack. Yes.

Ripper: On no account will a commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.

Mandrake: Oh, ah, yes. I don't quite.. see what you're getting at, Jack.

Ripper: Water. That's what I'm getting at. Water. Mandrake, water is the source of all life. Seven tenths of this earth's surface is water. Why, you realize that.. seventy percent of you is water.

Mandrake: Uhhh God...

Ripper: And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.

Mandrake: Yes. chuckles nervously

Ripper: You beginning to understand?

Mandrake: Yes. [chuckles. begins laughing/crying quietly]

Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure grain alcohol?

Mandrake: Well it did occur to me, Jack, yes.

Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation? Fluoridation of water?

Mandrake: Ah, yes, I have heard of that, Jack. Yes.

Ripper: Well do you now what it is?

Mandrake: No. No, I don't know what it is. No.

Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

--Dr.Strangelove

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:56 pm
by LYR
captain.crazy wrote:
Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) is a cheap liquid byproduct of phosphate fertilizer manufacture.[26] It comes in varying strengths, typically 23–25%; because it contains so much water, shipping can be expensive.[27] It is also known as hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid.[26]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation
How often is this type used?
captain.crazy wrote:But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.
Maybe we have the crap in our water because we have a bunch of greedy, corrupt, lazy, incompetent, apathetic, nonsensical, hardly-intelligent screw-ups running our government/major corporations/etc. who do not want to be accused of dumping contaminants in our rivers... so they put it in our drinking water (not mine, but most people's).






Or not...

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:57 pm
by LYR
StiffMittens wrote:
captain.crazy wrote:Anyone know why our city and county water systems are pumping mass amounts of fluoride into our water supply?
Ripper: Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?

Mandrake: Well, no I... I can't say I have, Jack.

Ripper: Vodka. That's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?

Mandrake: Well I... I believe that's what they drink, Jack. Yes.

Ripper: On no account will a commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.

Mandrake: Oh, ah, yes. I don't quite.. see what you're getting at, Jack.

Ripper: Water. That's what I'm getting at. Water. Mandrake, water is the source of all life. Seven tenths of this earth's surface is water. Why, you realize that.. seventy percent of you is water.

Mandrake: Uhhh God...

Ripper: And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.

Mandrake: Yes. chuckles nervously

Ripper: You beginning to understand?

Mandrake: Yes. [chuckles. begins laughing/crying quietly]

Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure grain alcohol?

Mandrake: Well it did occur to me, Jack, yes.

Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation? Fluoridation of water?

Mandrake: Ah, yes, I have heard of that, Jack. Yes.

Ripper: Well do you now what it is?

Mandrake: No. No, I don't know what it is. No.

Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

--Dr.Strangelove

Hahaha I saw that movie in class a couple of months ago. It was freaking hilarious...

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:58 pm
by captain.crazy
Ah, yes... thanks for that. I would also like to point out that the recommendation for adding fluoride to water came from the NHO.

from the fluoride wiki page listed above:
In 1994 a World Health Organization expert committee on fluoride use stated that 1.0 mg/L should be an absolute upper bound, even in cold climates, and that 0.5 mg/L may be an appropriate lower limit.[6] A 2007 Australian systematic review recommended a range from 0.6 to 1.1 mg/L.[10]

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:01 pm
by StiffMittens
captain.crazy wrote:Ah, yes... thanks for that. I would also like to point out that the recommendation for adding fluoride to water came from the NHO.

from the fluoride wiki page listed above:
In 1994 a World Health Organization expert committee on fluoride use stated that 1.0 mg/L should be an absolute upper bound, even in cold climates, and that 0.5 mg/L may be an appropriate lower limit.[6] A 2007 Australian systematic review recommended a range from 0.6 to 1.1 mg/L.[10]
Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridated water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream?

Mandrake: Good Lord.

Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Mandrake: No. No, I don't, Jack. No.

Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty six. Nineteen fortysix, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your postwar commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard core commie works.

Mandrake: Jack... Jack, listen, tell me, ah... when did you first become, well, develop this theory.

Ripper: Well, I ah, I I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Mandrake: [sighs fearfully]

Ripper: Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence.

--Dr. Strangelove

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:03 pm
by King_Herpes
Me, I enjoy a nice tall glass of ice cold tap water while wading in a freshly treated pool. Ahhhh, sweet sweet chemicals...isn't life grand?

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:05 pm
by LYR
King_Herpes wrote:Me, I enjoy a nice tall glass of ice cold tap water while wading in a freshly treated pool. Ahhhh, sweet sweet chemicals...isn't life grand?
Herpes is grander! =D> =D> =D>

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:07 pm
by Haggis_McMutton
Damn it. I wanted to post Strangelove.

I've got to be quicker on my toes.

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:14 pm
by captain.crazy
Well, I am glad to see that you people are okay with basically being the cattle of the elite. I am not.

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:28 pm
by Snorri1234
Sooooo, why isn't it in our water?

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:29 pm
by captain.crazy
Snorri1234 wrote:Sooooo, why isn't it in our water?
you don't have it?

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:30 pm
by StiffMittens
Snorri1234 wrote:Sooooo, why isn't it in our water?
Fooking Dutch commies!

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:32 pm
by Nobunaga
... Anybody recall what the code was to cancel the bomb drops on the Soviet Union, the code to be recognized as valid by the pilots? (from the film).

...

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:33 pm
by King_Herpes
As long as they keep feeding me delicious high fructose corn syrups, preserving my meats with iodized salt, filling my conditioners with parabens, and putting mass concentrations of aluminum in my deodorant you won't hear me complaining...

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:17 pm
by Timminz
captain.crazy wrote:Well, I am glad to see that you people are okay with basically being the cattle of the elite. I am not.
Perhaps there is another reason I would encourage the perpetuation of the status-quo.

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:21 pm
by MeDeFe
I think in South Korea they're talking about adding Lithium to the water because that has been shown to lower suicide rates.

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:50 pm
by StiffMittens
Nobunaga wrote:... Anybody recall what the code was to cancel the bomb drops on the Soviet Union, the code to be recognized as valid by the pilots? (from the film).

...
The CRM114 aboard every plane in the attack wing was set to only receive orders if preceded by the code prefix: OPE. If an order to abort the mission (or any order) was transmitted without the appropriate code prefix, the transmission would be ignored.

Re: fluoride in the water

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:00 pm
by PLAYER57832
captain.crazy wrote:
Fluoridation does not affect the appearance, taste, or smell of drinking water.[1] It is normally accomplished by adding one of three compounds to the water: sodium fluoride, fluorosilicic acid, or sodium fluorosilicate.
Sodium fluoride (NaF) was the first compound used and is the reference standard.[26] It is a white, odorless powder or crystal; the crystalline form is preferred if manual handling is used, as it minimizes dust.[27] It is more expensive than the other compounds, but is easily handled and is usually used by smaller utility companies.[28]
Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) is a cheap liquid byproduct of phosphate fertilizer manufacture.[26] It comes in varying strengths, typically 23–25%; because it contains so much water, shipping can be expensive.[27] It is also known as hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid.[26]
Sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) is a powder or very fine crystal that is easier to ship than fluorosilicic acid. It is also known as sodium silicofluoride.[27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

EDIT: added
Hexafluorosilicic acid releases hydrogen fluoride when evaporated, so it has similar risks. It is corrosive and may cause fluoride poisoning; inhalation of the vapors may cause lung edema. Like hydrogen fluoride, it attacks glass and stoneware.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorosilicic_acid


Now why don't you google the levels of Vitamin A, Iron, Magnesium, Selenium, Zinc, etc that are highly toxic?

OR, how about this -- 1/4 a tube of toothpaste can kill a toddler. So can about 1/2 a bottle of Iron vitamins, etc.

This is old news. The key is the quantities used. Flouride is a major reason why people today have fewer cavities and why Baby Boomers and those younger are far, FAR more likely to keep their teeth and not have to even get dentures or, to get them much later in life. The problem is that too many people like you only read the internet hype and don't do the additional research that really shows the comparative risk, as opposed to the straight, "no quantities specified" risks. The amount placed