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So are we better off?
State unemployment, November 2008
Rank State Rate
6 ALABAMA 3.1
49 ALASKA 6.1
15 ARIZONA 3.5
45 ARKANSAS 5.7
42 CALIFORNIA 5.6
16 COLORADO 3.7
30 CONNECTICUT 4.7
13 DELAWARE 3.4
46 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 5.8
22 FLORIDA 4.2
30 GEORGIA 4.7
2 HAWAII 2.7
1 IDAHO 2.5
40 ILLINOIS 5.3
27 INDIANA 4.6
18 IOWA 3.9
17 KANSAS 3.8
42 KENTUCKY 5.6
12 LOUISIANA 3.3
33 MAINE 4.8
19 MARYLAND 4.0
23 MASSACHUSETTS 4.3
51 MICHIGAN 7.7
30 MINNESOTA 4.7
49 MISSISSIPPI 6.1
42 MISSOURI 5.6
6 MONTANA 3.1
10 NEBRASKA 3.2
38 NEVADA 5.2
10 NEW HAMPSHIRE 3.2
20 NEW JERSEY 4.1
6 NEW MEXICO 3.1
27 NEW YORK 4.6
33 NORTH CAROLINA 4.8
13 NORTH DAKOTA 3.4
48 OHIO 5.9
25 OKLAHOMA 4.4
41 OREGON 5.5
26 PENNSYLVANIA 4.5
36 RHODE ISLAND 4.9
46 SOUTH CAROLINA 5.8
4 SOUTH DAKOTA 2.9
27 TENNESSEE 4.6
20 TEXAS 4.1
3 UTAH 2.8
23 VERMONT 4.3
6 VIRGINIA 3.1
33 WASHINGTON 4.8
37 WEST VIRGINIA 5.0
38 WISCONSIN 5.2
4 WYOMING 2.9

Unemployment through May 09
1 NEBRASKA 4.4
1 NORTH DAKOTA 4.4
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 5.0
3 WYOMING 5.0
5 UTAH 5.4
6 IOWA 5.8
7 MONTANA 6.3
7 OKLAHOMA 6.3
9 NEW HAMPSHIRE 6.5
9 NEW MEXICO 6.5
11 LOUISIANA 6.6
12 ARKANSAS 7.0
12 KANSAS 7.0
14 TEXAS 7.1
14 VIRGINIA 7.1
16 MARYLAND 7.2
17 VERMONT 7.3
18 HAWAII 7.4
19 COLORADO 7.6
20 IDAHO 7.8
21 CONNECTICUT 8.0
22 DELAWARE 8.1
23 ARIZONA 8.2
23 MASSACHUSETTS 8.2
23 MINNESOTA 8.2
23 NEW YORK 8.2
23 PENNSYLVANIA 8.2
28 MAINE 8.3
29 ALASKA 8.4
30 WEST VIRGINIA 8.6
31 NEW JERSEY 8.8
32 WISCONSIN 8.9
33 MISSOURI 9.0
34 WASHINGTON 9.4
35 MISSISSIPPI 9.6
36 GEORGIA 9.7
37 ALABAMA 9.8
38 ILLINOIS 10.1
39 FLORIDA 10.2
40 INDIANA 10.6
40 KENTUCKY 10.6
42 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 10.7
42 TENNESSEE 10.7
44 OHIO 10.8
45 NORTH CAROLINA 11.1
46 NEVADA 11.3
47 CALIFORNIA 11.5
48 RHODE ISLAND 12.1
48 SOUTH CAROLINA 12.1
50 OREGON 12.4
51 MICHIGAN 14.1
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Granholm is MUCH worse than Palin could ever be. It takes effort to destroy a state as badly as Granholm has.
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Serbia wrote:Granholm is MUCH worse than Palin could ever be. It takes effort to destroy a state as badly as Granholm has.
I wonder how much worse it will or can get in Michigan
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thelastpatriot wrote:
Serbia wrote:Granholm is MUCH worse than Palin could ever be. It takes effort to destroy a state as badly as Granholm has.
I wonder how much worse it will or can get in Michigan
Just wait until both GM and Chrysler go under.
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I'm not convinced that Obama/Biden have actually affected this THAT much to this point. I'm not sure it would be any better or worse under McCain/Palin at this point.
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Woodruff wrote:I'm not convinced that Obama/Biden have actually affected this THAT much to this point. I'm not sure it would be any better or worse under McCain/Palin at this point.
Oh, they have. It'll take some time for it all to come out, as it always does, but what they're doing now will have long lasting ramifications. And if they manage to push through socialized health care as well, that will really set the nation back.
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Serbia wrote:
Woodruff wrote:I'm not convinced that Obama/Biden have actually affected this THAT much to this point. I'm not sure it would be any better or worse under McCain/Palin at this point.
Oh, they have. It'll take some time for it all to come out, as it always does, but what they're doing now will have long lasting ramifications.
Your statements don't seem to support the fact that you're arguing against my point.

I'm not saying they won't have long-lasting ramifications (either positive or negative). I'm saying I don't believe they've affected that much at this point.
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Woodruff wrote:I'm not convinced that Obama/Biden have actually affected this THAT much to this point. I'm not sure it would be any better or worse under McCain/Palin at this point.
While I certainly don't know much about politics, I agree in part:

Agree that Obama/Biden hasn't affected that much. I don't really think there's that much they could have done to stop this. It's really the bank's faults, and unless we stopped it 4 years ago or more, no matter what anyone did, we'd still have unemployment like this. Stupid people give banks their money without thinking things through, banks don't keep track of things, blah blah blah. While I don't think Obama's doing wonderful like he said, I don't really think he can be. I don't think there's a way to pull us out of this like a magic answer.

Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem. Alaska has one of the highest ratings, yes? And once they did, it would be late, and I'm not sure what they'd do, but it could potentially make things worse instead of better. If not on that issue, then at least I know I would not be happy with other issues.

So all in all, I'm satisfied the President is doing... adequate.
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lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.

I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
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Serbia wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.

I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
I didn't say he did great either.
But at least when he was campaigning he realized that this year wasn't going to be a summer picnic.
They might not have seen it this bad, but at least they saw it as going downhill.
(As for believing the news, I'm not sure I believe any station about anything anymore... but thanks for the link)
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Serbia wrote:I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
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Serbia wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.

I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
I'm not partisan, but I don't believe anything reported on Fox.
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Woodruff wrote:
Serbia wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.

I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
I'm not partisan, but I don't believe anything reported on Fox.
How about the wall street journal?
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Woodruff wrote:
Serbia wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.

I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
I'm not partisan, but I don't believe anything reported on Fox.
thats why the link to the CNN story. even though cnn has a copy of the story, is it false because fox has one too? How can you blindly believe an entire corporation is lying about everything when it can all be confirmed by outside sources you probably don't doubt for a second?
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Serbia wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.

I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
I didn't say he did great either.
But at least when he was campaigning he realized that this year wasn't going to be a summer picnic.
They might not have seen it this bad, but at least they saw it as going downhill.
(As for believing the news, I'm not sure I believe any station about anything anymore... but thanks for the link)
McCain/Palin realized this too... No one thought that this was going to evaporate before the Inauguration. where Obama/Biden failed miserably is that they put government in the drivers seat of GM, Banks and every and anything else that they want to take. Obama's bold faced lies got him into Office... not his ability to lead or his visionary ideas, because he has neither. He is actually far worse than Bush because he seems intelegent. He isn't, or, if he is, he is intellegently destroying America. As it turns out, the latter may more likely be the case.

Does anyone wonder where this guy actually came from? Is it not odd that he came from apparently nowhere, rose to great power and is now leading this country down a road of incredible national debt? Is it not questionable that he wants this Honduran communist dictator to stay in power?

At some point, the masses will realize that they have been duped. That day will come too late for the salvation of America.
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I only today heard what is actually going on in Honduras. It's incredible that an American President would NOT come out in strong vocal support of the democratically elected government that is trying to stop a dictator from taking power, a move which would further strengthen Hugo Chavez's hold on the region. Obama is showing his true colors, here, with Iran, his dealings with North Korea, everywhere.
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captain.crazy wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:
Serbia wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.

I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
I didn't say he did great either.
But at least when he was campaigning he realized that this year wasn't going to be a summer picnic.
They might not have seen it this bad, but at least they saw it as going downhill.
(As for believing the news, I'm not sure I believe any station about anything anymore... but thanks for the link)
McCain/Palin realized this too... No one thought that this was going to evaporate before the Inauguration. where Obama/Biden failed miserably is that they put government in the drivers seat of GM, Banks and every and anything else that they want to take. Obama's bold faced lies got him into Office... not his ability to lead or his visionary ideas, because he has neither. He is actually far worse than Bush because he seems intelegent. He isn't, or, if he is, he is intellegently destroying America. As it turns out, the latter may more likely be the case.

Does anyone wonder where this guy actually came from? Is it not odd that he came from apparently nowhere, rose to great power and is now leading this country down a road of incredible national debt? Is it not questionable that he wants this Honduran communist dictator to stay in power?

At some point, the masses will realize that they have been duped. That day will come too late for the salvation of America.
Not to defend Obama/Biden per se, but McCain was the one saying that the fundamentals of the economy are strong (quite contrary to what noted economists were saying at the time) as it was plummeting into the abyss.
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Had we kept to the fundamentals, as McCain called it, we wouldn't have had government take-overs of GM and banks, which would have left us better off then we are now. Just because the fundamentals are called strong, doesn't mean he was denying we had changes to make.
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I also didn't hear then-candidate Obama indicate that the economy was fundamentally flawed (or fundamentally not strong or the fundamentals of the US economy are weak). I heard him say hope and change. We're getting both. Not sure how President Obama lied.
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StiffMittens wrote:
captain.crazy wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:
Serbia wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.

I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
I didn't say he did great either.
But at least when he was campaigning he realized that this year wasn't going to be a summer picnic.
They might not have seen it this bad, but at least they saw it as going downhill.
(As for believing the news, I'm not sure I believe any station about anything anymore... but thanks for the link)
McCain/Palin realized this too... No one thought that this was going to evaporate before the Inauguration. where Obama/Biden failed miserably is that they put government in the drivers seat of GM, Banks and every and anything else that they want to take. Obama's bold faced lies got him into Office... not his ability to lead or his visionary ideas, because he has neither. He is actually far worse than Bush because he seems intelegent. He isn't, or, if he is, he is intellegently destroying America. As it turns out, the latter may more likely be the case.

Does anyone wonder where this guy actually came from? Is it not odd that he came from apparently nowhere, rose to great power and is now leading this country down a road of incredible national debt? Is it not questionable that he wants this Honduran communist dictator to stay in power?

At some point, the masses will realize that they have been duped. That day will come too late for the salvation of America.
Not to defend Obama/Biden per se, but McCain was the one saying that the fundamentals of the economy are strong (quite contrary to what noted economists were saying at the time) as it was plummeting into the abyss.
The fundamentals of economics should be like that of the Jungle. The strong should survive.

If memory serves though, McCain recognized that there was going to be a rough go of economic policy, for sure, but that he wanted to make energy more affordable, and cut corporate taxes to ease the struggle for businesses across the country.

The bubble is the flaw in the economy. Bubbles happen naturally, but when government disallows those bubbles to pop naturally, when they are much smaller, they set the stage for massive bubbles popping and causing such catastraphic economic disruption, which our political class established following 911.

To be fair, I believe that McCain would have simply been a slower march towards the Tyranny that we are seeing now, but slower is better than this flaming freight train of despotism that we are on at the moment.
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thegreekdog wrote:I also didn't hear then-candidate Obama indicate that the economy was fundamentally flawed (or fundamentally not strong or the fundamentals of the US economy are weak). I heard him say hope and change. We're getting both. Not sure how President Obama lied.
Well, we're getting change, however I don't think government control is hopeful.
Serbia wrote:I only today heard what is actually going on in Honduras. It's incredible that an American President would NOT come out in strong vocal support of the democratically elected government that is trying to stop a dictator from taking power, a move which would further strengthen Hugo Chavez's hold on the region. Obama is showing his true colors, here, with Iran, his dealings with North Korea, everywhere.
Yep, it's quite a perplexing situation. At one point last week, Limbaugh made the comment to watch out in 2016 (assuming Obama is reelected in 2012) because if Obama will support it in another country, what would keep him from trying it here. Although I don't really agree with Limbaugh's jump, it is a scary thought worth keeping an eye on.
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I think there's still hope for those that voted for the president. At least, those that I know are still hoping (mainly that the climate change and healthcare bills get passed... although my liberal friends don't really like the healthcare bill).
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StiffMittens wrote:
captain.crazy wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:
Serbia wrote:
lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.

I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
I didn't say he did great either.
But at least when he was campaigning he realized that this year wasn't going to be a summer picnic.
They might not have seen it this bad, but at least they saw it as going downhill.
(As for believing the news, I'm not sure I believe any station about anything anymore... but thanks for the link)
McCain/Palin realized this too... No one thought that this was going to evaporate before the Inauguration. where Obama/Biden failed miserably is that they put government in the drivers seat of GM, Banks and every and anything else that they want to take. Obama's bold faced lies got him into Office... not his ability to lead or his visionary ideas, because he has neither. He is actually far worse than Bush because he seems intelegent. He isn't, or, if he is, he is intellegently destroying America. As it turns out, the latter may more likely be the case.

Does anyone wonder where this guy actually came from? Is it not odd that he came from apparently nowhere, rose to great power and is now leading this country down a road of incredible national debt? Is it not questionable that he wants this Honduran communist dictator to stay in power?

At some point, the masses will realize that they have been duped. That day will come too late for the salvation of America.
Not to defend Obama/Biden per se, but McCain was the one saying that the fundamentals of the economy are strong (quite contrary to what noted economists were saying at the time) as it was plummeting into the abyss.
That's what I was saying. I may not agree to everything Obama has done to "fix" said problem, but at least he understood there was one, where McCain didn't. I think doing something, even not so great things in this situation is better than doing nothing and having all the banks fail. Yes, the way that we have to bail them out sucks, but how else is there to solve this problem? What would happen if we just ignored it, really? (Not being an economics major, I don't know the answer to this question)

And as for Obama himself, no he's not the great leader who came to pull us out of our misery like he said he was. Maybe he'll try. But I don't think he's horrible.
I don't agree with him in everything, but I would rather have him for 4 years (we'll see after that) than someone I know will go against nearly all my values. All, or some. Better of two evils. And you won't know how things are going to trun out until they do, so... I'm just hanging tight with my complete judgement of him until the end of term.
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