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saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
saxitoxin wrote:Serbia is a RUDE DUDE
may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
I wonder how much worse it will or can get in MichiganSerbia wrote:Granholm is MUCH worse than Palin could ever be. It takes effort to destroy a state as badly as Granholm has.
Just wait until both GM and Chrysler go under.thelastpatriot wrote:I wonder how much worse it will or can get in MichiganSerbia wrote:Granholm is MUCH worse than Palin could ever be. It takes effort to destroy a state as badly as Granholm has.
saxitoxin wrote:Serbia is a RUDE DUDE
may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
Oh, they have. It'll take some time for it all to come out, as it always does, but what they're doing now will have long lasting ramifications. And if they manage to push through socialized health care as well, that will really set the nation back.Woodruff wrote:I'm not convinced that Obama/Biden have actually affected this THAT much to this point. I'm not sure it would be any better or worse under McCain/Palin at this point.
saxitoxin wrote:Serbia is a RUDE DUDE
may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
Your statements don't seem to support the fact that you're arguing against my point.Serbia wrote:Oh, they have. It'll take some time for it all to come out, as it always does, but what they're doing now will have long lasting ramifications.Woodruff wrote:I'm not convinced that Obama/Biden have actually affected this THAT much to this point. I'm not sure it would be any better or worse under McCain/Palin at this point.
While I certainly don't know much about politics, I agree in part:Woodruff wrote:I'm not convinced that Obama/Biden have actually affected this THAT much to this point. I'm not sure it would be any better or worse under McCain/Palin at this point.
The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
saxitoxin wrote:Serbia is a RUDE DUDE
may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
I didn't say he did great either.Serbia wrote:The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
lmfaoSerbia wrote:I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
I'm not partisan, but I don't believe anything reported on Fox.Serbia wrote:The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
How about the wall street journal?Woodruff wrote:I'm not partisan, but I don't believe anything reported on Fox.Serbia wrote:The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
thats why the link to the CNN story. even though cnn has a copy of the story, is it false because fox has one too? How can you blindly believe an entire corporation is lying about everything when it can all be confirmed by outside sources you probably don't doubt for a second?Woodruff wrote:I'm not partisan, but I don't believe anything reported on Fox.Serbia wrote:The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
McCain/Palin realized this too... No one thought that this was going to evaporate before the Inauguration. where Obama/Biden failed miserably is that they put government in the drivers seat of GM, Banks and every and anything else that they want to take. Obama's bold faced lies got him into Office... not his ability to lead or his visionary ideas, because he has neither. He is actually far worse than Bush because he seems intelegent. He isn't, or, if he is, he is intellegently destroying America. As it turns out, the latter may more likely be the case.lilacfrostyness wrote:I didn't say he did great either.Serbia wrote:The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
But at least when he was campaigning he realized that this year wasn't going to be a summer picnic.
They might not have seen it this bad, but at least they saw it as going downhill.
(As for believing the news, I'm not sure I believe any station about anything anymore... but thanks for the link)
saxitoxin wrote:Serbia is a RUDE DUDE
may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
Not to defend Obama/Biden per se, but McCain was the one saying that the fundamentals of the economy are strong (quite contrary to what noted economists were saying at the time) as it was plummeting into the abyss.captain.crazy wrote:McCain/Palin realized this too... No one thought that this was going to evaporate before the Inauguration. where Obama/Biden failed miserably is that they put government in the drivers seat of GM, Banks and every and anything else that they want to take. Obama's bold faced lies got him into Office... not his ability to lead or his visionary ideas, because he has neither. He is actually far worse than Bush because he seems intelegent. He isn't, or, if he is, he is intellegently destroying America. As it turns out, the latter may more likely be the case.lilacfrostyness wrote:I didn't say he did great either.Serbia wrote:The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
But at least when he was campaigning he realized that this year wasn't going to be a summer picnic.
They might not have seen it this bad, but at least they saw it as going downhill.
(As for believing the news, I'm not sure I believe any station about anything anymore... but thanks for the link)
Does anyone wonder where this guy actually came from? Is it not odd that he came from apparently nowhere, rose to great power and is now leading this country down a road of incredible national debt? Is it not questionable that he wants this Honduran communist dictator to stay in power?
At some point, the masses will realize that they have been duped. That day will come too late for the salvation of America.

saxitoxin wrote:Serbia is a RUDE DUDE
may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
The fundamentals of economics should be like that of the Jungle. The strong should survive.StiffMittens wrote:Not to defend Obama/Biden per se, but McCain was the one saying that the fundamentals of the economy are strong (quite contrary to what noted economists were saying at the time) as it was plummeting into the abyss.captain.crazy wrote:McCain/Palin realized this too... No one thought that this was going to evaporate before the Inauguration. where Obama/Biden failed miserably is that they put government in the drivers seat of GM, Banks and every and anything else that they want to take. Obama's bold faced lies got him into Office... not his ability to lead or his visionary ideas, because he has neither. He is actually far worse than Bush because he seems intelegent. He isn't, or, if he is, he is intellegently destroying America. As it turns out, the latter may more likely be the case.lilacfrostyness wrote:I didn't say he did great either.Serbia wrote:The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
But at least when he was campaigning he realized that this year wasn't going to be a summer picnic.
They might not have seen it this bad, but at least they saw it as going downhill.
(As for believing the news, I'm not sure I believe any station about anything anymore... but thanks for the link)
Does anyone wonder where this guy actually came from? Is it not odd that he came from apparently nowhere, rose to great power and is now leading this country down a road of incredible national debt? Is it not questionable that he wants this Honduran communist dictator to stay in power?
At some point, the masses will realize that they have been duped. That day will come too late for the salvation of America.
Well, we're getting change, however I don't think government control is hopeful.thegreekdog wrote:I also didn't hear then-candidate Obama indicate that the economy was fundamentally flawed (or fundamentally not strong or the fundamentals of the US economy are weak). I heard him say hope and change. We're getting both. Not sure how President Obama lied.
Yep, it's quite a perplexing situation. At one point last week, Limbaugh made the comment to watch out in 2016 (assuming Obama is reelected in 2012) because if Obama will support it in another country, what would keep him from trying it here. Although I don't really agree with Limbaugh's jump, it is a scary thought worth keeping an eye on.Serbia wrote:I only today heard what is actually going on in Honduras. It's incredible that an American President would NOT come out in strong vocal support of the democratically elected government that is trying to stop a dictator from taking power, a move which would further strengthen Hugo Chavez's hold on the region. Obama is showing his true colors, here, with Iran, his dealings with North Korea, everywhere.
That's what I was saying. I may not agree to everything Obama has done to "fix" said problem, but at least he understood there was one, where McCain didn't. I think doing something, even not so great things in this situation is better than doing nothing and having all the banks fail. Yes, the way that we have to bail them out sucks, but how else is there to solve this problem? What would happen if we just ignored it, really? (Not being an economics major, I don't know the answer to this question)StiffMittens wrote:Not to defend Obama/Biden per se, but McCain was the one saying that the fundamentals of the economy are strong (quite contrary to what noted economists were saying at the time) as it was plummeting into the abyss.captain.crazy wrote:McCain/Palin realized this too... No one thought that this was going to evaporate before the Inauguration. where Obama/Biden failed miserably is that they put government in the drivers seat of GM, Banks and every and anything else that they want to take. Obama's bold faced lies got him into Office... not his ability to lead or his visionary ideas, because he has neither. He is actually far worse than Bush because he seems intelegent. He isn't, or, if he is, he is intellegently destroying America. As it turns out, the latter may more likely be the case.lilacfrostyness wrote:I didn't say he did great either.Serbia wrote:The funny part about that statement is that it was Joe Biden who came out today and said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" and didn't foresee unemployment levels nearing double digits. So, with the Obama administration being clueless by their own admission, you think McCain would have done "quite a bit worse." Interesting.lilacfrostyness wrote:Where I disagree: I think McCain/Palin could have done quite a bit worse. I don't agree with many of their ideas, and I don't think they understood that we were really going through something that was a problem.
I found the story on FoxNews, but for the sake of you partisans who won't believe anything reported on Fox, here's a CNN link - CNN News Story
But at least when he was campaigning he realized that this year wasn't going to be a summer picnic.
They might not have seen it this bad, but at least they saw it as going downhill.
(As for believing the news, I'm not sure I believe any station about anything anymore... but thanks for the link)
Does anyone wonder where this guy actually came from? Is it not odd that he came from apparently nowhere, rose to great power and is now leading this country down a road of incredible national debt? Is it not questionable that he wants this Honduran communist dictator to stay in power?
At some point, the masses will realize that they have been duped. That day will come too late for the salvation of America.