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DM's list of bans:Minor Infractions follow the traditional vacation escalation scale of: Warning, 24 Hour Vacation, 72 Hour Vacation, One Week or One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.
so what he get each of those bans for?Night Strike wrote:Community Guidelines:DM's list of bans:Minor Infractions follow the traditional vacation escalation scale of: Warning, 24 Hour Vacation, 72 Hour Vacation, One Week or One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.Looks to me like the Community Guidelines were followed quite well. If DM hadn't been given a permanent vacation, then the guidelines would not have been followed and there would be legitimate grounds for complaints.
- 1 day
2 day (may have been a release oversight that caused it to be 2 days rather than 1)
3 days
3 days
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1 month
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permanent
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
Rocketry wrote:I think you missed the point, Night Stripe, pimpdave was questioning the guidelines themselves.
Rocket.
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I would also refer you to owenator's post in callouts (which will likely be moved here).pimpdave wrote:Rocketry wrote:I think you missed the point, Night Stripe, pimpdave was questioning the guidelines themselves.
Rocket.
And this is part of what's so scary... is that mods that misinterpret things regularly, or don't wait for clarification before making a snap judgment are able to cut us off PERMANENTLY from an integral part of the site.
Night Strike's post in this thread (as a genuine response to my OP) better exposes just how messed up the system is here than anything I could really say. I mean, wow.
an escalating system doesnt mean that anyone could get banned permanently, those that follow the rules need not fear anything..pimpdave wrote:And the Permanent Ban is fundamentally contradictory to any premise of fostering, supporting, or encouraging "community". You guys have been willing to reconsider the "guidelines" before, and now is certainly another time.
It should be used on only the worst of the worst. Only certain things should result in a permanent ban, like: pornography, personal information, or viruses/malicious software.
Otherwise, an escalating system means anyone could get banned permanently if a vindictive and bullying mod happens to have a hard on for someone in particular.


And yet I bet you never found yourself getting into a political debate with a mod, thinking they could separate things that differ, only to find out that because you were successful in the debate that they decided to avenge their loss by looking for a reason to ban you.hwhrhett wrote: dont get the community as a whole, mixed up with a small amount of repeat offenders.. most people never break the rules.. ive been here for 3 years, and have been an active forum goer and player and have never once had a problem with not breaking the rules, its surprisingly easy...
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El Capitan X wrote:The people in flame wars just seem to get dimmer and dimmer. Seriously though, I love your style, always a good read.
That seems a little harsh. If you continue to steal from Wal-Mart, will they not ban you from their store? Or how about continually getting drunk and jumping on the safety mesh at a ball game? That will get you a ban too.StiffMittens wrote:The escalating ban scheme in the current form of the guidelines is somewhat like saying after the 6th or 7th parking ticket the police have the right to saw off your hands and poke out your eyes.
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pimpdave wrote:And yet I bet you never found yourself getting into a political debate with a mod, thinking they could separate things that differ, only to find out that because you were successful in the debate that they decided to avenge their loss by looking for a reason to ban you.hwhrhett wrote: dont get the community as a whole, mixed up with a small amount of repeat offenders.. most people never break the rules.. ive been here for 3 years, and have been an active forum goer and player and have never once had a problem with not breaking the rules, its surprisingly easy...
It's happened to me, so I know it's happened to others. And if your solution to that is to not engage mods in a political or religious debate, then you should probably go jump in a lake because you're being silly.
Plus, part of the problem is that once you get in trouble once, they keep looking for reasons to ban you after that. So if you've never been banned, they'll dismiss most everything they'll flip out over with those of us that have been unjustly banned by certain vindictive and bullying neo-con mods *ahem*.
Or, even worse, those disgraced mods that I won't name here, but were REMOVED FROM THE SITE FOR ABUSING THEIR POSITION.
Those bannings aren't re-evaluated in a spirit of fairness to the member of the community. Oh no...
so your saying that we should fine them instead?StiffMittens wrote:The escalating ban scheme in the current form of the guidelines is somewhat like saying after the 6th or 7th parking ticket the police have the right to saw off your hands and poke out your eyes.

That's not something I think I would look at right away, but sounds like a reasonable future agenda item.pimpdave wrote:Well then what about completely unreasonable and WRONG bans?
All mods are users. I do have a warning on my record as well.pimpdave wrote:You mods should be users for awhile, and have to get banned the way we are, for STUPID STUFF and have NO RECOURSE, NO FORGIVENESS, NO MERCY.
And so, despite all of the testimony saying that it does go on, since it hasn't happened to you, you completely disallow for the possibility that it does?hwhrhett wrote: ive gotten into very heated arguements with many different mods over clan rights actually.. and ive never had a problem with them attempting to exact revenge... or being vindictive....
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
You play bad cop and I'll play good cop for clans.hwhrhett wrote:ive gotten into very heated arguements with many different mods over clan rights actually.. and ive never had a problem with them attempting to exact revenge... or being vindictive....
Sure, but which question?jpcloet wrote:All mods are users. I do have a warning on my record as well.pimpdave wrote:You mods should be users for awhile, and have to get banned the way we are, for STUPID STUFF and have NO RECOURSE, NO FORGIVENESS, NO MERCY.![]()
You didn't answer my question pimpdave, would you be willing to work with me specifically to come up with a recommendation or 2?
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Well, I admit that I was exaggerating in order to more clearly illustrate the point. But I don't think that the examples you cited are directly analogous to this instance either. Stealing from Wal-mart is doing actual damage to their business and is also a crime, and drunkenly climbing the safety mesh at the ballgame is creating a potential safety hazard. A more apt comparison would be going into Wal-mart often and complaining about the prices even though you are making purchases at that Wal-mart. Or going to the ballgame and making fun of the players on the field whenever they make an error. In either you case you wouldn't automatically expect to receive a ban, but there is a threshold at some point where that behavior could become genuinely disruptive and damaging to the environment as a whole. I don't think this recent incident with Dancing Mustard really reached that threshold.jpcloet wrote:That seems a little harsh. If you continue to steal from Wal-Mart, will they not ban you from their store? Or how about continually getting drunk and jumping on the safety mesh at a ball game? That will get you a ban too.StiffMittens wrote:The escalating ban scheme in the current form of the guidelines is somewhat like saying after the 6th or 7th parking ticket the police have the right to saw off your hands and poke out your eyes.
My personal view is that there is likely a middle ground and as a group, you can always make positive changes if you do it in a positive way. I'm not a big fan of permas and though I have given a few forum holidays, I've generally been reluctant to do so. We are still talking about the problem too generally. If the forum goers are willing to work with me, I'd certainly be open working with you to come up with a recommendation or 2. What say you forumites?

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Umm......no. It's if you continually break the rules of the forum, you get removed from the forum. If you continually park illegally, you lose your license. Both are privileges, and both are adequate punishments.StiffMittens wrote:The escalating ban scheme in the current form of the guidelines is somewhat like saying after the 6th or 7th parking ticket the police have the right to saw off your hands and poke out your eyes.
DM received words at every warning or vacation. Same goes for everybody else who has ever been warned or given a vacation. They know what post/comment got them the warning or vacation, it's just whether they agree with it crossing the lines or not. But words are always given.jonesthecurl wrote:I've never been warned nor banned either.
If I were in charge, i'd probably have had words with DM about his conduct.
That doesn't change my point or invalidate Dave's.
I had a second opinion on that case. I believe it was Twill. I did not make that determination on my own, even though it was within my discretion as a global moderator to give out a 24 hour vacation without a second opinion. (72 hour vacations have to have consultation.) Only admins can give vacations that last over 72 hours, so you don't have to worry about any "vindictive mods" choosing to move you up the ladder. Let's be very clear about something: I can justify every vacation I ever gave and have never been warned by an admin that a warning or vacation I handed out was over the top or excessive.pimpdave wrote:Remember when I was banned by that recently removed and appropriately disgraced partisan mod Night Strike? He banned me because I posted a video about the evils of pornography that I had no idea linked to some other videos that may have discussed the human anatomy.
So, because Night Strike doesn't like me and wants to get rid of me, he bans me for it, instead of sending me a PM saying, "hey, you realize there was some inappropriate material in that post, right?" and I can reply with, "oh no! I had no idea." (I really, honestly did not), we can take it down, and the problem is solved. ESPECIALLY SINCE THE VIDEO I POSTED WAS NOT INAPPROPRIATE AT ALL, only the links to the side which are RANDOMLY GENERATED AND I CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR EVEN THOUGH I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THE MODS AND TAKE THAT STUFF DOWN IF THEY JUST ASK.
I've been removed and disgraced?? This is news to me. In fact, I believe I am still a member of Team CC. As pointed out above, I have never abused my powers, and you have provided no evidence to the contrary. Optimus Prime was making some changes with the structure of Team CC, and it was my choice to stay as Head Tournament Director and step down as Global Moderator. If I had abused that position, I would not have been given a choice, and probably would no longer be a Team member.pimpdave wrote:Remember when I was banned by that recently removed and appropriately disgraced partisan mod Night Strike?
Instead, the vindictive power drunk mod bans me. This kind of malarkey goes on on a daily basis, and even when a mod like Night Strike is removed from his position for continually abusing his power and behaving like a petty partisan, the bans he unjustly levied STILL STAND.