No, it isn't. If you read the argument and understand it, you'll come to the conclusion that not only is your straw-man about as similar to my actual argument as social science is to a real academic subject, but you've (again) careered on with your gobsmackingly obtuse responses without even ...

Well, that'd be lovely, but the problem is the experts have obviously decided that enhanced questioning on is of some merit, since they carried some out.

I'm agreed that it should be harder to obtain permission to carry them out in order to avoid cock-ups, but clearly, if the CIA have already gone ...

Most police officers would FAR rather face and armed robber than go to a house where there is a reported domestic incident, even without a gun involved.

This based on your extensive experience during your years as an FBI field agent after you studied economics without ever hearing of Milton ...

OK. I'm willing to contend that all that's true.

But none of that affects the validity of the argument I outlined. The very fact that some intel obtained from torture was put to good use, or indeed that some CIA agents believe that to the extent that they are willing to carry out enhanced ...

Nations are not obliged to uphold the laws of other nations, particularly when at war with one another.

Every nation that signed onto the Geneva conventions agreed otherwise, inclluding the US.

We have to remember two things. In any war, the majority of soldiers are just doing the job their ...

Usually, scientists do not "prove" previous scientists "wrong". They show that the previous "explanation" only dealt with a subset of reality. Newtonian physics is not invalidate by Einsteinian. It is just shown to apply only in certain cases (What most of us would think of as common sense ...

Well, I rather think the point of Gabon's original post was to give you an example in which there really was very good reason to torture someone, and I'm sure we're all thankful that the CIA did what they had to do.

I mean, as for the thin end of the wedge argument, maybe you have a point: but ...

OK. I'm willing to contend that all that's true.

But none of that affects the validity of the argument I outlined. The very fact that some intel obtained from torture was put to good use, or indeed that some CIA agents believe that to the extent that they are willing to carry out enhanced ...

The Democrats will squash you like the gnats you are. Republicans are always buzzing around getting all in a flap about something stupid, like flag burning or destroying the 1st and 4th amendments, torturing people, placing policy before science, and getting rich off blatant malfeasance.

Go home ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep6hvIi-LDw
Oh..

Well now that I see it on MSNBC... :lol:

Of course, now that you have all your arguments completely discredited by a former member of the CIA, on a leftist show whose host Media Matters (which only watches right-wing media) named 2005's ...

Nations are not obliged to uphold the laws of other nations, particularly when at war with one another.

Every nation that signed onto the Geneva conventions agreed otherwise, inclluding the US.

We have to remember two things. In any war, the majority of soldiers are just doing the job their ...

I bet you think you're Voltaire himself come again to destroy the non-condom using and hence exponentially multiplying Legions of Rome.

Boooring.

More futile evasive action.

The terms are what they are, and the people who use them incorrectly are just wrong. It isn't a semantic issue that's been confused in the Anglo-Saxon world, no matter how hard you try to sugar-coat it as such: it's technical terminology the "people in the ...

I dunno... I was thinking more about something along the lines of the Freikorps, or maybe the Texas Rangers, than a disorganized mob. You'd have rank hierarchy and organizations. Then they'd patrol the countryside and cities alike, rescuing damsels from social undesirables and generally looking ...

Snorri1234 wrote:Because Vigilante-justice is such a splendid idea.

The police seem to get us precisely dick in this country with the ethnic and council-house violence problems.

Boooring.

More futile evasive action.

The terms are what they are, and the people who use them incorrectly are just wrong. It isn't a semantic issue that's been confused in the Anglo-Saxon world, no matter how hard you try to sugar-coat it as such: it's technical terminology the "people in the US ...

I'm still keen to see the emergence of citizen-militia vigilante groups.

Listen, when you sober up, there's some good introductions to the topic of Marxism I'd recommend by Eric Hobsbawm, then I suggest you get more seriously involved with Leszek Kolakowski.

As a brief sketch though, you should understand that essentially, socialism and communism aren't ideologies so ...

Snorri1234 wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote: N'est-ce-pas?

OOOOH I USE TEH FOREIGN LANGUAGES TO MAKE ME APPEAR SMARTER!


Ach, hou toch je bek, jij stinkende hoerenzoon. Iedereen kan frans lezen en spreken als ze t ooit geleerd hebben op school.

Yes. Clearly we didn't geleerd op school much else, did we?

I'm tired of explaining this to you, Player and the other mongoloids who think exposure to the occasional shitty pieces of dumbed-down to the point infantile simplicity news bulletins make you experts on political philosophy: socialism and communism are the same ideology.

And I'm pretty tired of ...

But dollar spent by the US government received from bond purchasers is the same thing as one spent instead directly into the economy, eradicating the bureaucratic middleman. N'est-ce-pas?

I'm tired of explaining this to you, Player and the other mongoloids who think exposure to the occasional shitty pieces of dumbed-down to the point infantile simplicity news bulletins make you experts on political philosophy: socialism and communism are the same ideology.

Gee... and I thought the Independent was bad.

So basically, we all agree Obama's wrong and probably a socialist, right?

Well er, yes, the elderly, women and disabled people are physically incapable of as much productivity as able-bodied healthy adult males.

Of course, you could argue the same about ethnics, but then that'd be wacist now, wouldn't it?