Curb insulting of other players

[Timminz]

im a lil confused, who is paying who to curse at them? i dont get it.

Stahr is paying CC for the meanies to curse at her.

[MoB Deadly]

Don't misinterpret my posts, just saying my point of view..

Your assumption that I'm taking comments 'seriously' is off base. I DISLIKE nasty comments whether I take them seriously or not, and shouldn't be forced to put up with it.

You aren't being asked to put up with it, there are 'foe' and 'ignore' buttons.. If you have BOB installed the game chat is far down the page so you really have to make an effort to read the chat.

If I went to a restaurant and some other customer came up to harass me, and if a "please stop," didn't work, I could consult an employee or the manager of that restaurant who would then deal with the harasser, not hand me a set of earplugs or tell me to "suck it up." If I did get handed earplugs or were told to "suck it up, you wuss" I'd likely not return to the restaurant. This is the same thing.

As for the children.. someone in power needs to address their behavior to curb it in them and others.. and if that doesn't work, then perform the equivalent of tanning their behinds.

The problem with having people with the power to discipline them is it's nearly impossible to control. Have you played any video games online with a headset? There is so much profanity and ill mannerism everywhere. I am certainly not supporting it, I am just saying when you kill one ant, two more pop up somewhere else. It would be unrealistic for administrators to deweed every single rude individual on any website.

I suggest finding a Usergroup dedicated to friendliness and only play private games with them, that way you only play with the people you enjoy playing with.

[ronsizzle]

unbelievable! to answer your question as far as paying to be insulted............

this is the answer you are ignoring! that you dont want to hear!

if it truly bothers you when someone goes off on a rampage. you foe them! it is as easy as that.

if flame wars bothered you, then you shouldnt have entered the forum in the first place.

those are easy ass answers to your questions that my nephew could have figured out.

this is the internet! a gaming site! have you ever watched a football game? a basketball game? a boxing match? an MMA fight? there is trash talking in every game known to man!

legendary quote from larry bird in the locker room before the 3 point contest. "which one of you assholes is going to finish 2nd"?

if you have a game, or a gaming site, trash talk will happen.

if you cant realize that, then leave! why are you still here? THIS IS NOT CUTESY CLUB. no matter what the mods/admins try to do, people will continue to bash others on here. now they cant say go to flame wars. now, they are banning people.

which do you think will bring in more money?

[freakns]

A recomendation to make the gamming more respectfull. Only in a few days in playing here I have seen and read very inapropiate laguaje. There should be a code of conduct and insulting a player should be observed at least.

Penalties should apply, temporary suspension or banning for over spamming.

I have played other online games, and I think this is one addition that could improve here.

Thanx, P

i find stupid playing very insulting... should we then banned or at least temporary suspend anyone who plays stupid?!

and bare in mind, if someone insults you with words, those words usually say much more about him then you

[hwhrhett]

im a lil confused, who is paying who to curse at them? i dont get it.

Stahr is paying CC for the meanies to curse at her.

but cc doesnt offer that as a service.

[Timminz]

im a lil confused, who is paying who to curse at them? i dont get it.

Stahr is paying CC for the meanies to curse at her.

but cc doesnt offer that as a service.

No. It's a free gift.

[stahrgazer]

unbelievable! to answer your question as far as paying to be insulted............

this is the answer you are ignoring! that you dont want to hear!

if it truly bothers you when someone goes off on a rampage. you foe them! it is as easy as that.

if flame wars bothered you, then you shouldnt have entered the forum in the first place.

those are easy ass answers to your questions that my nephew could have figured out.

this is the internet! a gaming site! have you ever watched a football game? a basketball game? a boxing match? an MMA fight? there is trash talking in every game known to man!

legendary quote from larry bird in the locker room before the 3 point contest. "which one of you assholes is going to finish 2nd"?

if you have a game, or a gaming site, trash talk will happen.

if you cant realize that, then leave! why are you still here? THIS IS NOT CUTESY CLUB. no matter what the mods/admins try to do, people will continue to bash others on here. now they cant say go to flame wars. now, they are banning people.

which do you think will bring in more money?

There's a difference between occasional trash talk and intentional nastiness.

foelist only works AFTER.

I never participated in flame wars.

Mods are only banning the people they WANT to ban.

I believe that making the site nicer would bring more people in and keep more people in; if more people like me spoke up in SPITE of people like you, admin would know it.

[stahrgazer]

im a lil confused, who is paying who to curse at them? i dont get it.

Stahr is paying CC for the meanies to curse at her.

but cc doesnt offer that as a service.

No. It's a free gift.

Actually, it does. Look at all these people who say to EXPECT the nastiness.. that's the same as saying, that's part of what CC offers. It's just no longer offered in a special forum for those who enjoy that part of what CC offers.

[salr15]

There's a difference between occasional trash talk and intentional nastiness.

foelist only works AFTER.

I never participated in flame wars.

Mods are only banning the people they WANT to ban.

I believe that making the site nicer would bring more people in and keep more people in; if more people like me spoke up in SPITE of people like you, admin would know it.

I beg to disagree. I actually think if they make this site "nice", it would get rid of the most entertaining part. I agree with your whole mod thing, probably from a different perspective...I actually think they are making the site too nice. But that's a whole other discussion...

There is no real solution to your problem. The only way to really stop trash talking and foul language is for the mods to either check all the games all the time...which is impossible. Or they would have to make a drastic move, as they did with FW, and eliminate game chat. How else will they be able to stop every single person on this site? And most people aren't as sensitive as you, as you can see from people's reactions.

You basically are on your own and unless you come up with some petition to completely change the site...they won't do it for one or two people. So all I can really say is....suck it up cupcake.

[hwhrhett]

im a lil confused, who is paying who to curse at them? i dont get it.

Stahr is paying CC for the meanies to curse at her.

but cc doesnt offer that as a service.

No. It's a free gift.

Actually, it does. Look at all these people who say to EXPECT the nastiness.. that's the same as saying, that's part of what CC offers. It's just no longer offered in a special forum for those who enjoy that part of what CC offers.

flame wars has only been gone like a month. give em more time, and all the trolls will have expired all their slaps-on-the-wrist.... but i dont think that the average person posting in this thread is indicitive of conquerclub as a whole, salr and ron are more indicitive of the reason that flame wars was closed to begin with... too much negativity seeping into the other forums... but just like after wicked threw her fit, they will give up and shut up or go away

[salr15]

flame wars has only been gone like a month. give em more time, and all the trolls will have expired all their slaps-on-the-wrist.... but i dont think that the average person posting in this thread is indicitive of conquerclub as a whole, salr and ron are more indicitive of the reason that flame wars was closed to begin with... too much negativity seeping into the other forums... but just like after wicked threw her fit, they will give up and shut up or go away

Keep dreaming, I'm here for the long-run sweetcakes.

[hwhrhett]

p.s.s. i thought you quit cc before flame wars was even deleted stahr?

[Falkomagno]

I think that this site it's like a bar. If you don't pay the entrance , you can drink only 4 drinks, but if you pay the cover, you can take all you can drink.

As in many others bars, there is nice people, cute babes, and a couple of idiots.

In a special part of the site, outside, was allowed to smoke. Since smoking is in general a behaviour to be discourage, the bar's owner just close that part (he didn't understand that smoking has to be discourage, but not forbiddien. Allow people smoking outside it's tolerance, and avoid to become inside the bar a darker place, with too much smoke). And well, the people in the bar start to smoke inside the bar, but hiding and been carefull with the security orangutans.

so, as in so many places, if in this bar it's just too much smoke that you can handle, well, you look for another bar. If the chiks inside and the music inside it's way too good, you just try to ignore the idiots and the lil' smoke inside and keep the party on

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Actually, I made a complaint on a threat in the foundry in the England thread. The moderator removed my comment and banned me for a day.

The moderators are the ones making the threats in the foundry.

If this in fact happened, I would certainly advise you to fill out an e-ticket so that someone higher up in the chain can take a look into it.

Too funny, asking for fairness from other administrators at C.C..

Hey Adolf, Eichmann is throwing my Jewish friends into concentration camps, can you help me?

Serious question for you. If you actually believe this site is that way, then why are you still here? I'm not trying to push you out or anything...I mean the question sincerely. I know I absolutely wouldn't frequent a site that I felt was that domineering and anti-justice.

Sometimes I got to wonder about your overtly stale and monotonous replies. Your thoughts on the real world is to bend over and take it up the ass.

[stahrgazer]

There is no real solution to your problem. The only way to really stop trash talking and foul language is for the mods to either check all the games all the time...which is impossible. Or they would have to make a drastic move, as they did with FW, and eliminate game chat. How else will they be able to stop every single person on this site? And most people aren't as sensitive as you, as you can see from people's reactions.

Oh, it took more than six months before I got "sensitive" about the nastiness.

Your idea of having to check all games all the time is just silly. But when a person feels ick about something enough to put it in C&A, at least a mild warning should be issued as a means to discourage the nastiness. Enough warnings could mean a vaca; enough vaca's could mean a ban. I think most people would begin to think twice before actively trying to be shitty, if that was done. Meanwhile, those who don't care, don't have to post a C&A while those who do care should be able to see something done to discourage it. All that was done is the removal of a forum where those who enjoyed nastying at each other for fun, had a place here to do so. Doesn't change the real problem.

But more on the 'sensitive' thing.. It's KNOWN that people who complain about this or that player for abusive language attacks or abusive cyber-actions will simply be told, "suck it up, cupcake, and use your foelist" which does serve to limit complaints. It may be less well known that if you complain long enough, mods put you on their shitlist rather than the instigators. I think these volunteers just don't want to do any work to get the title. Estimates are less than half of rapes in the US are reported, for similar reasons. That doesn't mean those who didn't report it liked it any better than those who did; it means, they don't want to be subjected to the additional hassles that filing a report will cause. Similarly with stalking; file a report and you essentially go on trial long before the stalker does; police will say, "That's too much paperwork, why don't you move?"

So, many do move off CC without saying anything. I know tons of people who won't go into Social anymore because of the nonsense that occurs there, unaddressed. I know many more who'll only play with selective people to avoid the gamechat nastiness. Those are signs, few enjoy those things, they just don't want to cause waves and be on hitlists and harassed because they complained.

[Woodruff]

No offense dude but you are SOFT! Wow, you quit the site because people were insulting you??

I mean this in the most respectful way....grow a set.

Your comments are not respectful, they're a mild form of harassment; you're essentially trying to criminalize me for others' nastiness because I don't happen to like it. That's like blaming the store owner for calling the police on a robber.

Stahrgazer, you know I agree almost entirely with you on this subject. But I really don't think salr15 was doing that at all. He wasn't saying you were the bad guy, he was saying you were letting the bad guys ruin your fun. Of course, correct me if I'm wrong, salr15.

No one has been able to answer this repeated question: why should anyone PAY to be insulted and cursed at if they don't like being insulted or cursed at?

Well, mostly because what I'm paying for (the games themselves and the friendships) makes up for the negatives. To me, it's a cumulative "good", even though there is plenty of "bad" around. If that makes sense.

It takes more balls for people to stand up for what's right, especially when it's unpopular, than to tolerate what's wrong.

Absolutely correct.

[Woodruff]

im a lil confused, who is paying who to curse at them? i dont get it.

Stahr is paying CC for the meanies to curse at her.

but cc doesnt offer that as a service.

It seems to be a fringe benefit.

[Woodruff]

p.s.s. i thought you quit cc before flame wars was even deleted stahr?

I believe that's correct. Stahrgazer's problem is NOT with FlameWars at all, as I understand things.

[ronsizzle]

i dont know why hewett thinks i bring negativity here.

even if that is so, is negativity now against cc rules too?

this place is a joke. all of the posters that posted outside of flame wars now sling mud in these forums more than the fw posters do.......

you kids think you can get away with it because you dont have a bad "rep". screw that! there are more people guilty of baiting, flaming, and trolling than the fw regulars! im going to start reporting every post i see that is even questionable.

hrhewett, get a life dude. dont use my name like you know me.

[Timminz]

i dont know why hewett thinks i bring negativity here....


....hrhewett, get a life dude. dont use my name like you know me.

I think I might know why he thinks that.

[xelabale]

What is an insult?

How do I know?

Will it change over time?

How do we moderate it?

How will I know if I cross the line?

Who will decide?

So many questions...

[stahrgazer]

p.s.s. i thought you quit cc before flame wars was even deleted stahr?

I believe that's correct. Stahrgazer's problem is NOT with FlameWars at all, as I understand things.

This makes an interesting point to counter those who think "foelist" works. You see, I have hwhrhett on my foelist. Obviously, foelist didn't stop me from having to see whatever he's saying, since Woodruff repeated it. So if hrhett were to say something totally nasty (as he has in the past, which I reported, and was told to foelist him because the mods didn't handle things like that in gamechat, and because I reported it and he had mods on his side I got a bit of further harassment out of the bargain) I might just happen to read it anyway, just as I'm reading this comment, without clicking something to make his post legible.

Now granted, what he just said isn't nasty. My point is still, when I reported what he did say that was nasty, and which HE even agreed was nasty, mods didn't even give him a cautionary warning, so there's nothing at all to tell him officially, "please, we'd prefer our citizens to act civilized around those who don't like it the other way."

Woodruff is correct: my problem wasn't with Flame Wars, because I simply never clicked the link to read it unless a buddy asked me to peek at this or that thread. Actually, my problem eventually became with the moderations on this forum; much too subject to whichever mod disliked whichever person, rather than a legitimate attempt to clean things up in areas where many would like them cleaned up.

You see, some people pay to play on this site, and don't care for being cursed at and flamed when setting up a game, discussing tactics, or playing the game. Even those who enjoy flaming and banter understand that "f*ck these dice," or "GAAAAAAAAAD that move was stupid!" or flame-looking jokes among friends is far different than the forms of flaming harassments that can be found here. The people who used flaming as an art form usually know that there's a difference between someone who's willing to accept nastiness and someone who's not; and most of the flame wars regulars didn't try to harass those they knew didn't care for it, or those who didn't purposely harass as part of play.

And almost all of you know there are those on this site who make a habit of harassing others just to harass others, who kiss up to this mod or that mod and as a result, get little to zero discipline for doing it, while they get those mods to join in to harass the person they were harassing for complaining, or being to sensitive, or, lord forbid, finally getting fed up and retorting.

But it became apparent that those types are what's preferred on this site, which is why I don't play here anymore, deleted the tourneys I'd yet to announce, stopped writing for the tourney newsletter, visit chat only very rarely, and unrecommended CC to three people I knew who were planning to join so we could play. I'm only still occasionally peeking in and commenting on threads about the very issue I left for, because for three months I've been bugging admin to take my pre-paid year off my account and turn it into premium prizes for the tournament I sponsored, and so far they still haven't done it.

The sooner they do, the sooner I'll be totally gone, so whoever's got pull with admin on this site, pass it on please.

[hwhrhett]

I'm only still occasionally peeking in and commenting on threads about the very issue I left for, because for three months I've been bugging admin to take my pre-paid year off my account and turn it into premium prizes for the tournament I sponsored, and so far they still haven't done it.

The sooner they do, the sooner I'll be totally gone, so whoever's got pull with admin on this site, pass it on please.

i dont think they will do that...

[Woodruff]

I'm only still occasionally peeking in and commenting on threads about the very issue I left for, because for three months I've been bugging admin to take my pre-paid year off my account and turn it into premium prizes for the tournament I sponsored, and so far they still haven't done it.

The sooner they do, the sooner I'll be totally gone, so whoever's got pull with admin on this site, pass it on please.

i dont think they will do that...

That does seem like bad business though, if they won't. Why not enhance someone's experience rather than have the premium wasted, when it doesn't have to be?

[stahrgazer]

I'm only still occasionally peeking in and commenting on threads about the very issue I left for, because for three months I've been bugging admin to take my pre-paid year off my account and turn it into premium prizes for the tournament I sponsored, and so far they still haven't done it.

The sooner they do, the sooner I'll be totally gone, so whoever's got pull with admin on this site, pass it on please.

i dont think they will do that...

That does seem like bad business though, if they won't. Why not enhance someone's experience rather than have the premium wasted, when it doesn't have to be?

Yup; besides, I'm essentially a dissatisfied customer who wants a refund for a pre-purchased service that hadn't started yet.