fluoride in the water

[Woodruff]

Fluoridation does not affect the appearance, taste, or smell of drinking water.[1] It is normally accomplished by adding one of three compounds to the water: sodium fluoride, fluorosilicic acid, or sodium fluorosilicate.
Sodium fluoride (NaF) was the first compound used and is the reference standard.[26] It is a white, odorless powder or crystal; the crystalline form is preferred if manual handling is used, as it minimizes dust.[27] It is more expensive than the other compounds, but is easily handled and is usually used by smaller utility companies.[28]
Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) is a cheap liquid byproduct of phosphate fertilizer manufacture.[26] It comes in varying strengths, typically 23–25%; because it contains so much water, shipping can be expensive.[27] It is also known as hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid.[26]
Sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) is a powder or very fine crystal that is easier to ship than fluorosilicic acid. It is also known as sodium silicofluoride.[27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

WIKI-FREAKING-PEDIA? Good God. My students aren't even allowed to use Wikipedia as a source for their reports in my class. Do you have an actual source, please? I'm not saying this is inaccurate...in fact, this is old news that the rest of us have long been aware of. But come on, find a real source...don't be lazy!

Anyone know why our city and county water systems are pumping mass amounts of fluoride into our water supply?

--Dr.Strangelove

Hahaha I saw that movie in class a couple of months ago. It was freaking hilarious...

You get to watch Dr. Strangelove in class? Damn...your school is cooler than the one I teach at.

Well, I am glad to see that you people are okay with basically being the cattle of the elite. I am not.

We've already covered this. As a high school teacher, I am already ONE of the elite. Thus, I have nothing to fear.

[captain.crazy]

Fluoridation does not affect the appearance, taste, or smell of drinking water.[1] It is normally accomplished by adding one of three compounds to the water: sodium fluoride, fluorosilicic acid, or sodium fluorosilicate.
Sodium fluoride (NaF) was the first compound used and is the reference standard.[26] It is a white, odorless powder or crystal; the crystalline form is preferred if manual handling is used, as it minimizes dust.[27] It is more expensive than the other compounds, but is easily handled and is usually used by smaller utility companies.[28]
Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) is a cheap liquid byproduct of phosphate fertilizer manufacture.[26] It comes in varying strengths, typically 23–25%; because it contains so much water, shipping can be expensive.[27] It is also known as hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid.[26]
Sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) is a powder or very fine crystal that is easier to ship than fluorosilicic acid. It is also known as sodium silicofluoride.[27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

WIKI-FREAKING-PEDIA? Good God. My students aren't even allowed to use Wikipedia as a source for their reports in my class. Do you have an actual source, please? I'm not saying this is inaccurate...in fact, this is old news that the rest of us have long been aware of. But come on, find a real source...don't be lazy!

Anyone know why our city and county water systems are pumping mass amounts of fluoride into our water supply?

--Dr.Strangelove

Hahaha I saw that movie in class a couple of months ago. It was freaking hilarious...

You get to watch Dr. Strangelove in class? Damn...your school is cooler than the one I teach at.

Well, I am glad to see that you people are okay with basically being the cattle of the elite. I am not.

We've already covered this. As a high school teacher, I am already ONE of the elite. Thus, I have nothing to fear.

I have my source. Offer yours to refute.

[Woodruff]

Fluoridation does not affect the appearance, taste, or smell of drinking water.[1] It is normally accomplished by adding one of three compounds to the water: sodium fluoride, fluorosilicic acid, or sodium fluorosilicate.
Sodium fluoride (NaF) was the first compound used and is the reference standard.[26] It is a white, odorless powder or crystal; the crystalline form is preferred if manual handling is used, as it minimizes dust.[27] It is more expensive than the other compounds, but is easily handled and is usually used by smaller utility companies.[28]
Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) is a cheap liquid byproduct of phosphate fertilizer manufacture.[26] It comes in varying strengths, typically 23–25%; because it contains so much water, shipping can be expensive.[27] It is also known as hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid.[26]
Sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) is a powder or very fine crystal that is easier to ship than fluorosilicic acid. It is also known as sodium silicofluoride.[27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

WIKI-FREAKING-PEDIA? Good God. My students aren't even allowed to use Wikipedia as a source for their reports in my class. Do you have an actual source, please? I'm not saying this is inaccurate...in fact, this is old news that the rest of us have long been aware of. But come on, find a real source...don't be lazy!

Anyone know why our city and county water systems are pumping mass amounts of fluoride into our water supply?

--Dr.Strangelove

Hahaha I saw that movie in class a couple of months ago. It was freaking hilarious...

You get to watch Dr. Strangelove in class? Damn...your school is cooler than the one I teach at.

Well, I am glad to see that you people are okay with basically being the cattle of the elite. I am not.

We've already covered this. As a high school teacher, I am already ONE of the elite. Thus, I have nothing to fear.

I have my source. Offer yours to refute.

Dude, you do realize that ANYONE (yes, ANYONE) can go into Wikipedia and make changes to their articles, right? How does MR CONSPIRACY think that's the sort of source to reference, for heavens' sake...that's a conspiracy just WAITING to be used.

[PLAYER57832]

I have my source. Offer yours to refute.

The accuracy is not in question, it just leaves out a lot.

Besides... I posed you a question. DO the comparisons. Then see.

Anything is toxic at a high enough level.

[captainwalrus]

lol, ther eis this kid at my school who is always yelling about how the government is trying to steal everyone's teeth, mabey that is whay there is floride, so our teeth will be in great condition when they ake them.

[jonesthecurl]

But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.

Just because an industrial process produces more than one thing does not mean that the others are "waste".

You know, if we eat soup at my house, it's based on stock. That stock is made (amongst other things) from the bones and skin of a chicken that we've eaten, the bits of onion and other vegetables that weren't the right shape for the dish I was making, the skin of the garlic I cooked, and the water I parboiled potatoes in. All by-products of something else.

DId you know that tomato ketchup was initially devised as a way of using the tomato skins which were discarded in the canning process? or that the increase in prime-quality ice-cream production is a direct result of the move to fat-free milk? Or that canned pet-food was started by people who wanted to find something to do with all the horses made redundant by the internal combustion engine?

This is not to say that everything should be stuck back in the food chain, or that all byproducts are useful medicines, but just because something is made or discovered as a result of some other process, that doesn't makes it evil.

[captain.crazy]

But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.

Just because an industrial process produces more than one thing does not mean that the others are "waste".

You know, if we eat soup at my house, it's based on stock. That stock is made (amongst other things) from the bones and skin of a chicken that we've eaten, the bits of onion and other vegetables that weren't the right shape for the dish I was making, the skin of the garlic I cooked, and the water I parboiled potatoes in. All by-products of something else.

DId you know that tomato ketchup was initially devised as a way of using the tomato skins which were discarded in the canning process? or that the increase in prime-quality ice-cream production is a direct result of the move to fat-free milk? Or that canned pet-food was started by people who wanted to find something to do with all the horses made redundant by the internal combustion engine?

This is not to say that everything should be stuck back in the food chain, or that all byproducts are useful medicines, but just because something is made or discovered as a result of some other process, that doesn't makes it evil.

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you? Don't you think that is a little different from boiling the fat out of skin and bones?

You do realize how ridiculous your argument is, right?

[Woodruff]

But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.

Just because an industrial process produces more than one thing does not mean that the others are "waste".

You know, if we eat soup at my house, it's based on stock. That stock is made (amongst other things) from the bones and skin of a chicken that we've eaten, the bits of onion and other vegetables that weren't the right shape for the dish I was making, the skin of the garlic I cooked, and the water I parboiled potatoes in. All by-products of something else.

DId you know that tomato ketchup was initially devised as a way of using the tomato skins which were discarded in the canning process? or that the increase in prime-quality ice-cream production is a direct result of the move to fat-free milk? Or that canned pet-food was started by people who wanted to find something to do with all the horses made redundant by the internal combustion engine?

This is not to say that everything should be stuck back in the food chain, or that all byproducts are useful medicines, but just because something is made or discovered as a result of some other process, that doesn't makes it evil.

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you? Don't you think that is a little different from boiling the fat out of skin and bones?

You do realize how ridiculous your argument is, right?

I'm pretty sure we all realize how ridiculous YOUR argument is. I'm not sure the reverse is true, no.

[captain.crazy]

But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.

Just because an industrial process produces more than one thing does not mean that the others are "waste".

You know, if we eat soup at my house, it's based on stock. That stock is made (amongst other things) from the bones and skin of a chicken that we've eaten, the bits of onion and other vegetables that weren't the right shape for the dish I was making, the skin of the garlic I cooked, and the water I parboiled potatoes in. All by-products of something else.

DId you know that tomato ketchup was initially devised as a way of using the tomato skins which were discarded in the canning process? or that the increase in prime-quality ice-cream production is a direct result of the move to fat-free milk? Or that canned pet-food was started by people who wanted to find something to do with all the horses made redundant by the internal combustion engine?

This is not to say that everything should be stuck back in the food chain, or that all byproducts are useful medicines, but just because something is made or discovered as a result of some other process, that doesn't makes it evil.

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you? Don't you think that is a little different from boiling the fat out of skin and bones?

You do realize how ridiculous your argument is, right?

I'm pretty sure we all realize how ridiculous YOUR argument is. I'm not sure the reverse is true, no.

really? you think that fluoride is good for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhYSKAgOih4

[Woodruff]

But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.

Just because an industrial process produces more than one thing does not mean that the others are "waste".

You know, if we eat soup at my house, it's based on stock. That stock is made (amongst other things) from the bones and skin of a chicken that we've eaten, the bits of onion and other vegetables that weren't the right shape for the dish I was making, the skin of the garlic I cooked, and the water I parboiled potatoes in. All by-products of something else.

DId you know that tomato ketchup was initially devised as a way of using the tomato skins which were discarded in the canning process? or that the increase in prime-quality ice-cream production is a direct result of the move to fat-free milk? Or that canned pet-food was started by people who wanted to find something to do with all the horses made redundant by the internal combustion engine?

This is not to say that everything should be stuck back in the food chain, or that all byproducts are useful medicines, but just because something is made or discovered as a result of some other process, that doesn't makes it evil.

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you? Don't you think that is a little different from boiling the fat out of skin and bones?

You do realize how ridiculous your argument is, right?

I'm pretty sure we all realize how ridiculous YOUR argument is. I'm not sure the reverse is true, no.

really? you think that fluoride is good for you?

I'm not speaking at all of whether flouride is good for human consumption. I am speaking entirely of your argument (as I clearly stated). Try again.

[captain.crazy]

I'm not speaking at all of whether flouride is good for human consumption. I am speaking entirely of your argument (as I clearly stated). Try again.

I must have lost your point in your ambiguity. Please clarify.

[Woodruff]

I'm not speaking at all of whether flouride is good for human consumption. I am speaking entirely of your argument (as I clearly stated). Try again.

I must have lost your point in your ambiguity. Please clarify.

I'm not sure how you could think my point was ambiguous, since I made it quite clear. However, for your benefit, I will make it again: "Your argument regarding flouride is ridiculous". Still difficult to wade through?

[StiffMittens]

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you?

Actually you probably do:

Excerpt from Behavior, Learning and Health
The Dietary Connection

"BHA Butylated Hydroxyanisole

BHT Burylated Hydroxytoluene

TBHQ Tertiary Butylhydroquinone

Preservatives are used primarily to prevent fats from becoming rancid, allowing foods to have a longer "shelf-life". Most are not believed to be a health hazard, but the above three petroleum based preservatives have been found to trigger behavior and health problems."

Also:
http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/j ... 16je14.htm
http://www.mbm.net.au/health/296-385.htm
http://www.chem-tox.com/pregnancy/artificial.htm
http://www.greens.org.nz/node/17192

[HapSmo19]

Some tid-bits on flouride:

http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=11&db=12&C0=12

"Lead isn't the only metal that interacts with fluoride in a toxic combination. Aluminum is another..."

"The fact that fluoride toothpastes and school based mouth rinses are packaged in aluminum accentuates the effect on the body.."

"Incidentally, if you're thinking that fluoride and aluminum exist in separate worlds and are unlikely to find each other in the normal course of events, think again. Fluoride is a direct byproduct of aluminum production. Aluminum is often added to drinking water as a flocculating agent, by the same folks who add the fluoride-your local water authority. Aluminum and fluoride form a number of complexes, the most deadly of these being aluminum tetrafluoride.(176) Czech researchers have shown that the body reacts to aluminum tetrafluoride as if it were a phosphate ion capable of triggering G proteins. G-proteins are water-soluble substances (i.e. hormones, neurotransmitters, and growth factors) that transmit messages from the outside to the inside of a cell.(177) Aluminum tetrafluoride is capable of switching on G proteins without hormones, neurotransmitters, or growth factors present.(178) 'This, notes Paul Connett, 'is the most worrisome aspect of fluoride subtle biochemistry."

[Woodruff]

Some tid-bits on flouride:

http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=11&db=12&C0=12

"Lead isn't the only metal that interacts with fluoride in a toxic combination. Aluminum is another..."

"The fact that fluoride toothpastes and school based mouth rinses are packaged in aluminum accentuates the effect on the body.."

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "school based mouth rinse"?

[mtodd0004]

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "school based mouth rinse"?

When I was a child, a few times a year, some nurses from the health department would come into my elementary class and pass out fluoride in little cups. It was sort of like fire drill. We were expected to follow orders. The nurses directed us to put the little cups of fluoride in our mouth, swish around, and then spit it out. I don't know if they still do this, but it used to be done for children until the 4th or 5th grade.

[PLAYER57832]

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you? Don't you think that is a little different from boiling the fat out of skin and bones?

Actually you do eat petroleum products, and put them on your skin, eat things kept in them, etc, etc, etc.

And for that matter, the inventor of Vaseline used to eat it by the spoonfull and swore by its health benefits. I wouldn't, but you DO need to consider a bit more than just what you see on first glance in an internet article.

[PLAYER57832]

Some tid-bits on flouride:

http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=11&db=12&C0=12

"Lead isn't the only metal that interacts with fluoride in a toxic combination. Aluminum is another..."

"The fact that fluoride toothpastes and school based mouth rinses are packaged in aluminum accentuates the effect on the body.."

"Incidentally, if you're thinking that fluoride and aluminum exist in separate worlds and are unlikely to find each other in the normal course of events, think again. Fluoride is a direct byproduct of aluminum production. Aluminum is often added to drinking water as a flocculating agent, by the same folks who add the fluoride-your local water authority. Aluminum and fluoride form a number of complexes, the most deadly of these being aluminum tetrafluoride.(176) Czech researchers have shown that the body reacts to aluminum tetrafluoride as if it were a phosphate ion capable of triggering G proteins. G-proteins are water-soluble substances (i.e. hormones, neurotransmitters, and growth factors) that transmit messages from the outside to the inside of a cell.(177) Aluminum tetrafluoride is capable of switching on G proteins without hormones, neurotransmitters, or growth factors present.(178) 'This, notes Paul Connett, 'is the most worrisome aspect of fluoride subtle biochemistry."

Lead and Aluminum are both VERY toxic in and of themselves. No need to add flouride into the mix!

Some older systems still do use lead in their pipes. Ironically, it is also one reason why municipal water systems actually intentionally let the pipes get a bit "dirty", because the rust, etc

[Dancing Mustard]

Hang on a minute... remind me again what it is that the NWO/Reptons gain by putting fluoride into our drinking water?

[captain.crazy]

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you? Don't you think that is a little different from boiling the fat out of skin and bones?

Actually you do eat petroleum products, and put them on your skin, eat things kept in them, etc, etc, etc.

And for that matter, the inventor of Vaseline used to eat it by the spoonfull and swore by its health benefits. I wouldn't, but you DO need to consider a bit more than just what you see on first glance in an internet article.

And you think that all of this is good? We are instructed to live in, eat and bathe in a world of toxicity and we wonder why there is so much sickness, cancer and disease. Its laughable. This is all by design. A sickly population is easier to control. A sickly population is more dependant on its government to care for and look after it. Fluoride is a corrodive acid.

[Woodruff]

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "school based mouth rinse"?

When I was a child, a few times a year, some nurses from the health department would come into my elementary class and pass out fluoride in little cups. It was sort of like fire drill. We were expected to follow orders. The nurses directed us to put the little cups of fluoride in our mouth, swish around, and then spit it out. I don't know if they still do this, but it used to be done for children until the 4th or 5th grade.

Huh...I grew up in Nebraska, and I don't recall this at all. I'm not saying it didn't happen (I certainly have forgotten many inconsequential things from my childhood)...but I would think it would at least "ring a bell to sound familiar" in some way, and it doesn't. The 4th grade for me would've been around 1975...maybe that's the disconnect between our experiences?

At any rate...they brought this flouride to you in aluminum cups (based on what the guy earlier said)? Why wouldn't they have used paper cups?

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you? Don't you think that is a little different from boiling the fat out of skin and bones?

Actually you do eat petroleum products, and put them on your skin, eat things kept in them, etc, etc, etc.

And for that matter, the inventor of Vaseline used to eat it by the spoonfull and swore by its health benefits. I wouldn't, but you DO need to consider a bit more than just what you see on first glance in an internet article.

And you think that all of this is good? We are instructed to live in, eat and bathe in a world of toxicity and we wonder why there is so much sickness, cancer and disease. Its laughable. This is all by design. A sickly population is easier to control. A sickly population is more dependant on its government to care for and look after it. Fluoride is a corrodive acid.

It's all by design, but not by anyone in government. It's by design by corporations who see more profit in taking shortcuts in these ways. You're applying a conspiracy to the government where simple greed explains it.

Hang on a minute... remind me again what it is that the NWO/Reptons gain by putting fluoride into our drinking water?

They get our healthy teeth when we die! Duh!

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you? Don't you think that is a little different from boiling the fat out of skin and bones?

Actually you do eat petroleum products, and put them on your skin, eat things kept in them, etc, etc, etc.

And for that matter, the inventor of Vaseline used to eat it by the spoonfull

Ehhhhh...just thinking about the texture of Vaseline, and this makes me feel ill.

[PLAYER57832]

But we are talking about a biproduct of the process for making gasoline. I don't eat crude oil, do you? Don't you think that is a little different from boiling the fat out of skin and bones?

Actually you do eat petroleum products, and put them on your skin, eat things kept in them, etc, etc, etc.

And for that matter, the inventor of Vaseline used to eat it by the spoonfull and swore by its health benefits. I wouldn't, but you DO need to consider a bit more than just what you see on first glance in an internet article.

And you think that all of this is good? We are instructed to live in, eat and bathe in a world of toxicity and we wonder why there is so much sickness, cancer and disease. Its laughable. This is all by design. A sickly population is easier to control. A sickly population is more dependant on its government to care for and look after it. Fluoride is a corrodive acid.

I believe you mean "corrosive acid".

So is sugar, lemon juice, etc. In fact, lemon juice is many times MORE corrosive than flouride.

My point is that you need to actually think about the things you read and compare them to reality, not just assume whatever you read is true and significant.

And, per the chemicals -- no, I don't. However Flouride is one thing about which I do NOT worry, because it is not a problem. The things that are -- plastics, pesticides, various cleaners, unnecessary food additives, etc. I avoid as much as possible.

But, you have not shown yourself truly aware enough to even know what is and is not signficant, so you are doing more harm than good. You are like all those that leap on the "there is not enough food, so I have to go vegeterian" hype. In reality, we need to SUPPORT all farms -- produce and meat producing, that produce things sustainably, not simply "go vegetarien", which can do as much harm as good.

[Danyael]

But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.

so you think byproducts are industrial waste
ergo when you drink your milk do you lick your lips and say mmmm i love industrial cow waste mmmmm

[radiojake]

It's funny how so many people get all worked up about fluride in the water and how it will poison us, yet don't seem to worry about all the poison in all of our food that is present.

We're being poisoned every day simply by living in the midst and aftermath of the industrial revolution. Can't you smell that fresh air!

[xelabale]

But the kind of fluoride that they are putting into the water supply is actually industrial waste.

so you think byproducts are industrial waste
ergo when you drink your milk do you lick your lips and say mmmm i love industrial cow waste mmmmm

Don't get me started on marmite...