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You immediately stated that everyone at the rally is a fuckwit as well as most of the people in the flyover states.
No, i said people who go to listen to glenn beck sell more books are fuckwits, wherever they come from. I just like the term 'flyover state', plus it alliterated nicely.
Until you actually listen to what Beck says and refute it with facts
Beck? facts? shurely shome mishtake?
People dislike glenn beck because he's a sleazy hypocrite, not because he believes in small government or lower taxes - and anyway, this whole 'liberal/conservative' polarisation thing is boring, unrepresentative, lazy and simplistic. Yes, just like me.
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heavycola wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
You immediately stated that everyone at the rally is a fuckwit as well as most of the people in the flyover states.
No, i said people who go to listen to glenn beck sell more books are fuckwits, wherever they come from. I just like the term 'flyover state', plus it alliterated nicely.
Until you actually listen to what Beck says and refute it with facts
Beck? facts? shurely shome mishtake?
People dislike glenn beck because he's a sleazy hypocrite, not because he believes in small government or lower taxes - and anyway, this whole 'liberal/conservative' polarisation thing is boring, unrepresentative, lazy and simplistic. Yes, just like me.
What book did Beck try to sell at the rally? What makes Beck a sleazy hypocrite? You have to back up these claims.
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heavycola wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
heavycola wrote:if the "liberal media" (for 'liberal media' read 'anyone who isn't fox news') reports a lower number, they are doing america a favour. The number of people who go to washington to hear glenn beck sell more books is a way to directly measure the gullible, blind stupidity of flyover state fuckwits as a whole.
So which is it? Are there at least 500,000 people that fucking dumb? or fewer?
It's amazing how anyone who is a conservative is a "fuckwit". I guess it's impossible to be educated and have different values from a liberal. :roll:
Thats not what I said. Fuckwits are simply fuckwits, not conservative or liberal or communist. Do all conservatives buy glenn beck books? Or could it be that there is an equal distribution of stupidity across the political spectrum?
Well judging from your comments i know there is at least 1 Fuckwit on the left!
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heavycola wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
You immediately stated that everyone at the rally is a fuckwit as well as most of the people in the flyover states.
No, i said people who go to listen to glenn beck sell more books are fuckwits, wherever they come from. I just like the term 'flyover state', plus it alliterated nicely.
Until you actually listen to what Beck says and refute it with facts
Beck? facts? shurely shome mishtake?
People dislike glenn beck because he's a sleazy hypocrite, not because he believes in small government or lower taxes - and anyway, this whole 'liberal/conservative' polarisation thing is boring, unrepresentative, lazy and simplistic. Yes, just like me.
I like the term falloff better. You know, those horrible states on the coats. When they fall off into the ocean and get flooded from global warming, then all the fuckwits will be dead and it will only be the good honest hard working Americans left.
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Night Strike wrote: So the liberal media is always factual, especially when it's about something they disagree with? Compare the pictures of the 8-28 rally to both the numbers the media is reporting as well as pictures of past events and the numbers associated with them and then tell me where the facts lie. By the way, don't let your eyes roll right on out into the glass of koolaid.
People claimed nearly 2 million peeps showed up at the million man march, the US Park Police said 400k.


What you are basically saying is that more people showed up to watch Glenn Beck and a bunch of other guys than showed up for MLK's famous speech. That is just flat out ridiculous.

Seriously, 100k is already an enormous amount of people for a simple rally by a guy from tv.
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Snorri1234 wrote:
Night Strike wrote: So the liberal media is always factual, especially when it's about something they disagree with? Compare the pictures of the 8-28 rally to both the numbers the media is reporting as well as pictures of past events and the numbers associated with them and then tell me where the facts lie. By the way, don't let your eyes roll right on out into the glass of koolaid.
People claimed nearly 2 million peeps showed up at the million man march, the US Park Police said 400k.


What you are basically saying is that more people showed up to watch Glenn Beck and a bunch of other guys than showed up for MLK's famous speech. That is just flat out ridiculous.

Seriously, 100k is already an enormous amount of people for a simple rally by a guy from tv.
And I'm pretty sure it was because of the grossly underestimated number at the million man march (which was different than MLK's speech) that the US Park Police stopped giving out official estimates. And I'm not saying there were a million people there (although some people do), I'm saying that you should compare these pictures to past events and it'll be easy to tell that the estimates of tens of thousands from the liberal press is way too low. I'd also guess that 250,000 is too low.
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Snorri1234 wrote:What you are basically saying is that more people showed up to watch Glenn Beck and a bunch of other guys than showed up for MLK's famous speech. That is just flat out ridiculous.

Seriously, 100k is already an enormous amount of people for a simple rally by a guy from tv.
Snorri, that was 47 years ago! Of course you will get more people today than you did then, for anything!
I Have a Dream" is the famous name given to the ten minute public speech by Martin Luther King, Jr., in which he called for racial equality and an end to discrimination. King's delivery of the speech on August 28, 1963, from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, was a defining moment of the American Civil Rights Movement. Delivered to over 200,000 civil rights supporters,

We Are One: The Obama Inaugural Celebration at the Lincoln Memorial was a public celebration of the then forthcoming inauguration of Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States at the Lincoln Memorial and the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on January 18, 2009. By some estimates the attendance was over 400,000.
By the way, when my group sang a musical rendition of the Gettysburg Address at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, I think the crowd was like 50-75. :(

Here is an article from the Christian Science Monitor.
That’s led to controversy in the past. In October 1995, the National Park Service estimated that about 400,000 people attended the “Million Man March” organized by the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan. Organizers were so angry they sent lawyers to meet with the Park Service.

Shortly thereafter, the Boston University Center for Remote Sensing estimated that the crowd had been 837,000, plus or minus 20 percent. What was the difference? The Park Service counted via pictures taken from videotape. The Center for Remote Sensing used original photo negatives.

Photos of the Beck event clearly show a big crowd. The weather was great – whatever the exact figure, there were a lot of people there. The area along the Reflecting Pool stretching out from the Lincoln Memorial was packed. Groups were gathered under trees far on either side. Large conglomerations of folks gathered all the way to the Washington Monument.

The crowd was big enough to disrupt Washington's subway system, with service from at least 12 stops disrupted due to long lines for entry.

Given that context, let’s wade into the numbers.

Rally organizers, in applying for their permit, said they expected a crowd of up to 300,000. And on Sunday, after the rally, Beck himself said on Fox News that the event drew 300,000 people on the low end, and perhaps as many as 650,000 people on the high end.
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Night Strike wrote:
heavycola wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
You immediately stated that everyone at the rally is a fuckwit as well as most of the people in the flyover states.
No, i said people who go to listen to glenn beck sell more books are fuckwits, wherever they come from. I just like the term 'flyover state', plus it alliterated nicely.
Until you actually listen to what Beck says and refute it with facts
Beck? facts? shurely shome mishtake?
People dislike glenn beck because he's a sleazy hypocrite, not because he believes in small government or lower taxes - and anyway, this whole 'liberal/conservative' polarisation thing is boring, unrepresentative, lazy and simplistic. Yes, just like me.
What book did Beck try to sell at the rally? What makes Beck a sleazy hypocrite? You have to back up these claims.
Glenn beck exists to make glenn beck richer. He's an actor playing a character, not a real person. He will say whatever he thinks will make him more money/more popular. I am not suggesting glennbeck was selling one particular book. It was a figure of speech.
The trouble is, people are now locked in a vicious circle. Glenn beck works out what people want to hear, and then says it, or implies it. Then these people buy his books and listen to his radio show.
Specific examples of his hypocrisy?
How about... being photographed by Jill Greenberg for GQ, or how the US healthcare system went from being the worst in the world to being the best in the world 16 months later. You can google these dude, it's all out there. He's a rent-a-gob, and - fair play - he's very good at what he does. But he doesn't believe what he says, any more than I believe you raped and murdered a young girl back in 1990.
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heavycola wrote:Glenn beck exists to make glenn beck richer. He's an actor playing a character, not a real person. He will say whatever he thinks will make him more money/more popular. I am not suggesting glennbeck was selling one particular book. It was a figure of speech.
The trouble is, people are now locked in a vicious circle. Glenn beck works out what people want to hear, and then says it, or implies it. Then these people buy his books and listen to his radio show.
Specific examples of his hypocrisy?
How about... being photographed by Jill Greenberg for GQ, or how the US healthcare system went from being the worst in the world to being the best in the world 16 months later. You can google these dude, it's all out there. He's a rent-a-gob, and - fair play - he's very good at what he does. But he doesn't believe what he says, any more than I believe you raped and murdered a young girl back in 1990.
Even if he does exist to make himself richer, there is a)not a problem with that in a capitalist society and b)anyone can counter any lie he states with facts. When one resorts to name calling rather than replying with facts, they've lost the debate. Beck uses facts on his shows/speeches to lay the groundwork for supplying his opinion/commentary. That's how every debate should be framed. And who are you to accuse him of not believing what he says? Do you see his every thought?

By the way, if I did those things in 1990, that would have been pretty impressive for a 2 year old. :shock:
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Night Strike wrote:
heavycola wrote:Glenn beck exists to make glenn beck richer. He's an actor playing a character, not a real person. He will say whatever he thinks will make him more money/more popular. I am not suggesting glennbeck was selling one particular book. It was a figure of speech.
The trouble is, people are now locked in a vicious circle. Glenn beck works out what people want to hear, and then says it, or implies it. Then these people buy his books and listen to his radio show.
Specific examples of his hypocrisy?
How about... being photographed by Jill Greenberg for GQ, or how the US healthcare system went from being the worst in the world to being the best in the world 16 months later. You can google these dude, it's all out there. He's a rent-a-gob, and - fair play - he's very good at what he does. But he doesn't believe what he says, any more than I believe you raped and murdered a young girl back in 1990.
Even if he does exist to make himself richer, there is a)not a problem with that in a capitalist society and b)anyone can counter any lie he states with facts. When one resorts to name calling rather than replying with facts, they've lost the debate. Beck uses facts on his shows/speeches to lay the groundwork for supplying his opinion/commentary. That's how every debate should be framed. And who are you to accuse him of not believing what he says? Do you see his every thought?

By the way, if I did those things in 1990, that would have been pretty impressive for a 2 year old. :shock:
That whole 'rape and murder' thing was a reference to a glenn beck pisstake. I had a look for it but it's gone from the internets. Not surprisingly, perhaps.

Of course there's nothing wrong with making money - as long as you are willing to give most of that back to people worse off than yourself. (KIDDING! LOL!). But beck poses as a serious political commentator, when all he really does is swing like a weathervane depending on what he thinks his listeners want to hear. I already posted two examples.
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heavycola wrote:blah blah blah blah... I still owe jimboston an apology.
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Over 450,000. End of story
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I guess a picture really can save a thousand words. The fact that there is even serious discussion about the numbers, in the way the discussion is being handled, I just don't get how anyone can't see past that bias. The people that 100'ers get their information from present 0 facts, like that was ever ok. Oh yeah, here it is ok.

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Phatscotty wrote:Over 450,000. End of story
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If only there had been that many when I sang the Gettysburg Address. :(

(We would have needed a biger P.A. System. :twisted:
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tzor wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Over 450,000. End of story
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If only there had been that many when I sang the Gettysburg Address. :(

(We would have needed a biger P.A. System. :twisted:
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You expect me to count them all?
Night Strike wrote:
heavycola wrote:if the "liberal media" (for 'liberal media' read 'anyone who isn't fox news') reports a lower number, they are doing america a favour. The number of people who go to washington to hear glenn beck sell more books is a way to directly measure the gullible, blind stupidity of flyover state fuckwits as a whole.
So which is it? Are there at least 500,000 people that fucking dumb? or fewer?
It's amazing how anyone who is a conservative is a "fuckwit". I guess it's impossible to be educated and have different values from a liberal. :roll:
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So you're contradicting what Scotty said about this not being a conservative rally?
Snorri1234 wrote: What you are basically saying is that more people showed up to watch Glenn Beck and a bunch of other guys than showed up for MLK's famous speech. That is just flat out ridiculous.
Well, huge population increase, television becoming bigger, Interwebs, invention of the Conquer Club forums...I think it's bad if you DON'T think more people would show up...





Also, NS, I love your leaps in logic. Just because someone says "the conservatives would lie about their numbers" doesn't mean they think the liberals wouldn't either.




Personally, I feel that Beck is a brainwashing prick. I mean, I just went on his website to look at stuff for the rally, and he has more pictures of himself on there then a fucking porn magazine has naked people.

Scotty, do you have links to the videos?
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Army of GOD wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
heavycola wrote:if the "liberal media" (for 'liberal media' read 'anyone who isn't fox news') reports a lower number, they are doing america a favour. The number of people who go to washington to hear glenn beck sell more books is a way to directly measure the gullible, blind stupidity of flyover state fuckwits as a whole.
So which is it? Are there at least 500,000 people that fucking dumb? or fewer?
It's amazing how anyone who is a conservative is a "fuckwit". I guess it's impossible to be educated and have different values from a liberal. :roll:
So you're contradicting what Scotty said about this not being a conservative rally?
It was not a conservative political rally in the vein of a Tea Party event or Republican fundraiser, but it's not surprising there would be very few liberals there who actually believe in the cause. Spiritual awakenings and using spiritual values in politics are not exactly major causes for the left.
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Night Strike wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
heavycola wrote:if the "liberal media" (for 'liberal media' read 'anyone who isn't fox news') reports a lower number, they are doing america a favour. The number of people who go to washington to hear glenn beck sell more books is a way to directly measure the gullible, blind stupidity of flyover state fuckwits as a whole.
So which is it? Are there at least 500,000 people that fucking dumb? or fewer?
It's amazing how anyone who is a conservative is a "fuckwit". I guess it's impossible to be educated and have different values from a liberal. :roll:
So you're contradicting what Scotty said about this not being a conservative rally?
It was not a conservative political rally in the vein of a Tea Party event or Republican fundraiser, but it's not surprising there would be very few liberals there who actually believe in the cause. Spiritual awakenings and using spiritual values in politics are not exactly major causes for the left.
It was a majority conservatives, but I know for a fact there was a grip of Independents there too. It was a rally for honor more than anything. It was not about politics. I am not running around saying that to be a dick. I myself wondered how they would pull it off. I was impressed.

It's a movement, and a big one. It's going to change America. My hopes for the future are not that the Tea Party takes over and shoves their platform down everyones throat. I hope the can communicate better with the other politicians and have less "politics" in the process.

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Phatscotty wrote:It was a majority conservatives, but I know for a fact there was a grip of Independents there too. It was a rally for honor more than anything. It was not about politics. I am not running around saying that to be a dick. I myself wondered how they would pull it off. I was impressed.
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I ASKED FOR LINKS GOD DAMMIT!
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Army of GOD wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote: What you are basically saying is that more people showed up to watch Glenn Beck and a bunch of other guys than showed up for MLK's famous speech. That is just flat out ridiculous.
Well, huge population increase, television becoming bigger, Interwebs, invention of the Conquer Club forums...I think it's bad if you DON'T think more people would show up...
I think you're forgetting this is Glenn Beck. Not MLK. He basically said "i'm going to start a movement" and I'm supposed to belief that 450k+ people showed up the first time?

Sure more population and interwebs and such, but a lot of people don't go to rallies out of ignorance but because they have better things to do.
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Army of GOD wrote:I ASKED FOR LINKS GOD DAMMIT!
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Night Strike wrote: And I'm pretty sure it was because of the grossly underestimated number at the million man march that the US Park Police stopped giving out official estimates.
It wasn't grossly underestimated, it's just that people didn't like the number and Park Police figured that they didn't want to be bothered about it again.
And I'm not saying there were a million people there (although some people do), I'm saying that you should compare these pictures to past events and it'll be easy to tell that the estimates of tens of thousands from the liberal press is way too low. I'd also guess that 250,000 is too low.
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the field here is not filled up (though it certainly is crowded). the difference between a filled up field and a simply crowded one is huge. crowd-density can make the difference between 200k and 50k. That's not suprising, the crowds at the broadcast of the quarter-final and final of the world cup at a field here this summer varied in size vastly even though it was the same field.

I think that the real size of the crowd was between 100k and 150k, leaning towards 100k. (Which is a huge crowd in any regard, getting such a number of people for a simple rally is pretty good.)
some blog wrote:Perhaps everyone should take a step back and ask whether crowd size really does matter all that much. Ultimately, history will judge the significance of the rally apart from how many people attended the event. Only about 20,000 are estimated to have attended President Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but that speech is still considered one of the most influential and monumental moments in history. If Beck was telling the truth at his rally this truth is just as legitimate before 87,000 people as it would be before 300,000. At the same time, if Beck was promoting a deceitful scheme it becomes no less deceitful if 500,000 were watching him do it. But alas, it seems everyone wants to focus on size instead. Perhaps some of those obsessed with crowd size should compensate by buying a fancy sports car.
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Was this one hour before the speech started? 20 minutes after it ended? How do you know?
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Talk about selective photo editing. Those trees in the bottom left of the top picture are maybe 1/4 of the way from the actual front of the field when you compare it to the bottom picture. If you (Snorri) will accept that there were maybe 100,000 people there from the photo you posted, how many people must there be when looking at the bottom photo? 5 times as many? 10 times?

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