[Official] Choose Your Own Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Endgame422]

I suppose its possible scum can talk during the day but thats certainly not the usual way it works.
And scum are better served trying to find the the other group of scum and the SK then bussing their only teammate D1.

[Whatsausage]

I see ptlowe as a newish player and was told by a scummate to have a fake claim ready and he thought he was under pressure so he claimed. Just a guess but I'm thinking Wing is his scum buddy and trying to get the attention off him if he gets lynched.

Except its D1 and scum havent talked yet.
And why would wing have pushed so hard on pt right away if they are scum buddies?
Fpd by PT

I thought that same thing end, but I looked back at the first post to see if it was in the rules, and the mod stated that scum would be able to talk during the 48 hours for role selection (which makes sense)

I did think it was a little suspicious that Pixar knew they could have talked, but its most likely he just read the rules

[Army of GOD]

I suppose its possible scum can talk during the day but thats certainly not the usual way it works.
And scum are better served trying to find the the other group of scum and the SK then bussing their only teammate D1.

nearly every game I've been in recently where I could talk to other players for whatever reason (be it scum, mason, etc.) I was always enabled the ability to talk during the day (usually via quicktopic). I don't think we can count this out...

[Army of GOD]

I see ptlowe as a newish player and was told by a scummate to have a fake claim ready and he thought he was under pressure so he claimed. Just a guess but I'm thinking Wing is his scum buddy and trying to get the attention off him if he gets lynched.

Ohhh this makes me look like Im smart.

this also makes you look like you're scum

I'm keeping my vote where it is. I haven't liked ptlowe's play at all today. No reason to claim when he did

[Endgame422]

f*ck me.
I oughta get lynched for my inability to the read the rules.

[dakky21]

People... we are all forgetting madmitch's claim and since then no new posts. He was never so silent, in all games he writes a lot, there is at least one his post per page. Now, silently scummy even with the VT claim. We should push a bit in that direction.

And on that theory, I agree that it could be possible that someone is feeding ptlowe. And saying to mitch to stay silent while no one is asking about him.

[*Pixar*]

f*ck me.
I oughta get lynched for my inability to the read the rules.

I was thinking I read the rules right for this game lol

[Army of GOD]

I'd be ok with putting pressure on madmitch, but ptlowe hasn't done anything to make me not vote for him.

plus, if he's not here posting, putting pressure on him wouldn't work because he wouldn't respond to any of it...

[Endgame422]

PT/wing seems pretty polarizing right now.
If i had to choose id proabaly lynch PT for his claim out of nowhere,although wing being so agressive in his scumhunting makes me think he may be scum trying to find the other scum in order to get some good towncred,not really strong feelings either way for me though.
As to mitch. Who knows.
I can never get a bead on him really but he is a bit quieter then usual.
Not really what id like out of a VT.
Mitch,who should get lynched?

[Epitaph1]

I have a town read on ptolwe fwiw. He's playing like a flustered new player who really wants to prove that he's town so he claims unpressured.

Not good play, but what we've seen time and again from a newer player.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I see ptlowe as a newish player and was told by a scummate to have a fake claim ready and he thought he was under pressure so he claimed. Just a guess but I'm thinking Wing is his scum buddy and trying to get the attention off him if he gets lynched.

Ohhh this makes me look like Im smart. Good idea. Let me Vote Wing to throw suspicion off of him.

What the actual crap. You have voted me because you think I am YOUR scum partner. Do you ever think?

For future reference this could all have been avoided. When I asked, "why did you vote me? Do you think I am scum?" this was an innocent question. At this point you should have said that it was a rash move based on emotion mostly. Thats perfectly understandable, especially for a new player. And I will unvote as such, but you protracted this out not me, I gave you opportunity to explain yourself. Its D1 we have to act on the smallest of remarks. Additionally, it will become obvious very quickly if you are not actually VT so your claim has very much saved your skin for now. That doesnt make it right.

I have a question for everyone. Why is nobody objecting to Epi's post suggesting we no lynch? That never ever benefits town.

Unvote Vote Epi

He is now following up with "Dont kill Tim", which plays into scums hands as its a kill they cant control. Tim should kill and he should not let anyone tell him who to kill. It is up to him. He has got a strong role and should use it. Not using the power town has is just asking to lose. It may do more harm than good, but thats the responsibility Tim has to take.

Epi doesnt like the fact I am making town reads, which is never good for town as it makes it harder to turn town against each other later in the game if they trust each other. This is why making town reads is so important.

Below is the closest Epi came to making a positive contribution to try and move the game forward. Read it carefully, all he actually says is kill the inactives, which is never beneficial to town. Even manages to say in the same line, SK might be at the top of the list, but I will not look there for the SK.

Spoiler

NO NO NO NO NO NO

DONT CLAIM ROLE. DONT CLAIM ROLE OF OTHERS.

JUST STOP CLAIMING

+1

Guys, seriously: stop claiming and don't say what roles you didn't get. The only way we can use the information about what roles you didn't get is when other people claim later.

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Slight scum read on me, huh wing? Because I didn't like that you had a "strong" scum read on a player after 2 posts? Your quote of me completely missed my point. I don't know what to think about you right now: you're talking a lot and trying to mix stuff up but I don't think you've provided many good reads so far.

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That said, I'm not pressuring anyone in the top 5 of the draft order today unless he does something egregious. The top 5 people are prime targets for night actions and will probably get sorted within the first 2 nights as they either get killed or checked by the cop or tracked or whatevs. I know dazza has been quiet, but he's also had people in from out of town the past 3-4 days. He should speak up and his lack of input is noted, but he's not a D1 pressure.

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Regarding draft order and whom to pressure: so, we know that scum/SK have the same chance to be at the bottom and the top. And as I just said, I'm not pressuring anyone in the top third of the game. So, looking at the second and third tiers, I'm leaning town on mitch and dakky.

Need to hear more from HotShot, Streaker, sausage, Army of God, benga and virus. After looking at their posts, I would be on board with pressuring any of them. These guys are in the bottom two tiers and really haven't added anything to the conversation. I'm willing to cut Streaker a little slack so far since he said he would be gone, but I expect him to pick it up. Heck, I expect everyone listed to pick it up.

What does everyone think of six people listed in bold?

fpd

I agree in part, disagree in part. ptolwe doesn't crack my top list of suspects.

It should be noted Mets is also suggesting that the town vig doesnt use the most potent town power in the game as well. If the vig is no threat to mafia then they will find the cop even quicker.

@End Ptlowe and WCG is not polarized, it suits at least two factions in the game for it to appear so. Unlike in normal mafia there is little incentive for anyone to defend each other as there are multiple small factions.

[Metsfanmax]

It should be noted Mets is also suggesting that the town vig doesnt use the most potent town power in the game as well. If the vig is no threat to mafia then they will find the cop even quicker.

I want my stance to be noted. Having this responsibility doesn't mean you have to use it at every available opportunity. What separates the middling mafia players from the good ones is the ability to know when to keep your mouth shut and when to keep your trigger finger controlled. Tim is still in the mindset where he has to be the hero, which is what most newer mafia players go through for a while at the beginning, and part of this is educating him. The other part is noting that your stance is essentially just "shoot anyone, I don't care if you kill town, you shoot because you are capable of shooting." Which is hard to defend even if you're sure he's town, and outright absurd when you're not sure.

But to be clear, my stance isn't "don't use your vig shot." It's "don't use it just to use it." If there's good evidence that someone is scum, then that's when Tim has to think carefully. If we've got no information, then I am advocating against shooting randomly. It's pretty scummy of you to turn this into me suggesting that Tim should never use his shot.

[*Pixar*]

unvote Vote PT for his early claim out of no where.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Ah I see, thats really good logic. Either way we shouldnt be trying to influence Tim's decision too much.

The good thing about his claim is it takes the big set of cross hairs of your back. I guess I am not the only person who assumed you would be the vig.

[Metsfanmax]

unvote Vote PT for his early claim out of no where.

pt isn't the only person who claimed without any real pressure. What's your reasoning for voting for him and not them?

[Epitaph1]

Ah I see, thats really good logic. Either way we shouldnt be trying to influence Tim's decision too much.

lol. Says the guy who's telling Tim to shoot at will.

Oh Wing. You're falling apart, man.

Let's see, your OMGUS case on me is that:

1) I'm threatened by town reads, even though I've been making plenty myself all game.
2) Say that I'm not contributing, even though I'm one of the more active posters and have been giving reads, both town and scum, all game.
3) Don't like that I'm advising Tim against killing without having a good feeling that someone is scum, which is basically what you just agreed to when Mets said it.
4) Don't like that I suggested a no lynch as a last resort. Did you even read my reasoning? Here it is. In short, town doesn't have to rely on the lynch as their sole means of dispatching the scum. So, it's not as big of a deal if we no lynch on D1 if we really can't reach a consensus on whom to lynch.

You don't have to agree with everything I've said. But you're trying to construe it as scummy. That's not convincing me that you're town.

[benga]

Sorry guys, just had my last exam and wasn't able to do much

Not sure about you guys but seems to me like pt and wing are part of same team.
They seem to just keep attacking one another to remove the guilt of each other.

As I said before, wing is either PR townie or mafia.

PT has been even less convincing unvote dazza vote pt

HS also seems very scummy to me, after his joke vote he just disappeared.

[ptlowe]

Sorry guys, just had my last exam and wasn't able to do much

Not sure about you guys but seems to me like pt and wing are part of same team.
They seem to just keep attacking one another to remove the guilt of each other.

As I said before, wing is either PR townie or mafia.

PT has been even less convincing unvote dazza vote pt

HS also seems very scummy to me, after his joke vote he just disappeared.

Yep, me and wingy are besties. Good thing your soo much more active than HS and have so much more insight. You wont be labeled as kill-able at all.

[benga]

Sorry guys, just had my last exam and wasn't able to do much

Not sure about you guys but seems to me like pt and wing are part of same team.
They seem to just keep attacking one another to remove the guilt of each other.

As I said before, wing is either PR townie or mafia.

PT has been even less convincing unvote dazza vote pt

HS also seems very scummy to me, after his joke vote he just disappeared.

Yep, me and wingy are besties. Good thing your soo much more active than HS and have so much more insight. You wont be labeled as kill-able at all.

Nice sarcasm but most of you still want me hanging from the start.

I just gave my opinion as did everyone else, sorry your butt got hurt.

[ptlowe]

I see ptlowe as a newish player and was told by a scummate to have a fake claim ready and he thought he was under pressure so he claimed. Just a guess but I'm thinking Wing is his scum buddy and trying to get the attention off him if he gets lynched.

Ohhh this makes me look like Im smart. Good idea. Let me Vote Wing to throw suspicion off of him.

What the actual crap. You have voted me because you think I am YOUR scum partner. Do you ever think?

For future reference this could all have been avoided. When I asked, "why did you vote me? Do you think I am scum?" this was an innocent question. At this point you should have said that it was a rash move based on emotion mostly. Thats perfectly understandable, especially for a new player. And I will unvote as such, but you protracted this out not me, I gave you opportunity to explain yourself. Its D1 we have to act on the smallest of remarks. Additionally, it will become obvious very quickly if you are not actually VT so your claim has very much saved your skin for now. That doesnt make it right.

I have a question for everyone. Why is nobody objecting to Epi's post suggesting we no lynch? That never ever benefits town.

Unvote Vote Epi

He is now following up with "Dont kill Tim", which plays into scums hands as its a kill they cant control. Tim should kill and he should not let anyone tell him who to kill. It is up to him. He has got a strong role and should use it. Not using the power town has is just asking to lose. It may do more harm than good, but thats the responsibility Tim has to take.

Epi doesnt like the fact I am making town reads, which is never good for town as it makes it harder to turn town against each other later in the game if they trust each other. This is why making town reads is so important.

Below is the closest Epi came to making a positive contribution to try and move the game forward. Read it carefully, all he actually says is kill the inactives, which is never beneficial to town. Even manages to say in the same line, SK might be at the top of the list, but I will not look there for the SK.

Spoiler

NO NO NO NO NO NO

DONT CLAIM ROLE. DONT CLAIM ROLE OF OTHERS.

JUST STOP CLAIMING

+1

Guys, seriously: stop claiming and don't say what roles you didn't get. The only way we can use the information about what roles you didn't get is when other people claim later.

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Slight scum read on me, huh wing? Because I didn't like that you had a "strong" scum read on a player after 2 posts? Your quote of me completely missed my point. I don't know what to think about you right now: you're talking a lot and trying to mix stuff up but I don't think you've provided many good reads so far.

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That said, I'm not pressuring anyone in the top 5 of the draft order today unless he does something egregious. The top 5 people are prime targets for night actions and will probably get sorted within the first 2 nights as they either get killed or checked by the cop or tracked or whatevs. I know dazza has been quiet, but he's also had people in from out of town the past 3-4 days. He should speak up and his lack of input is noted, but he's not a D1 pressure.

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Regarding draft order and whom to pressure: so, we know that scum/SK have the same chance to be at the bottom and the top. And as I just said, I'm not pressuring anyone in the top third of the game. So, looking at the second and third tiers, I'm leaning town on mitch and dakky.

Need to hear more from HotShot, Streaker, sausage, Army of God, benga and virus. After looking at their posts, I would be on board with pressuring any of them. These guys are in the bottom two tiers and really haven't added anything to the conversation. I'm willing to cut Streaker a little slack so far since he said he would be gone, but I expect him to pick it up. Heck, I expect everyone listed to pick it up.

What does everyone think of six people listed in bold?

fpd

I agree in part, disagree in part. ptolwe doesn't crack my top list of suspects.

It should be noted Mets is also suggesting that the town vig doesnt use the most potent town power in the game as well. If the vig is no threat to mafia then they will find the cop even quicker.

@End Ptlowe and WCG is not polarized, it suits at least two factions in the game for it to appear so. Unlike in normal mafia there is little incentive for anyone to defend each other as there are multiple small factions.

I think Im making Wingy uncomfortable and its fun. I like the game way better this way

[TimWoodbury]

How hard can you push someone on D1? My issues with AoG have to do with the lack of contribution in the game--I'm not going to make a long post explaining all that when I can do it in a few sentences.


If he comes in here and claims something strong, are we just going to let him off the hook because it's a strong role? How much conviction do we need of his guilt to follow through with this?

this is the same reason im on virus not because hes only psoted twice but because what he has posted hasnt amouted to anything content wise

[TimWoodbury]

I see ptlowe as a newish player and was told by a scummate to have a fake claim ready and he thought he was under pressure so he claimed. Just a guess but I'm thinking Wing is his scum buddy and trying to get the attention off him if he gets lynched.

Except its D1 and scum havent talked yet.
And why would wing have pushed so hard on pt right away if they are scum buddies?
Fpd by PT

I thought that same thing end, but I looked back at the first post to see if it was in the rules, and the mod stated that scum would be able to talk during the 48 hours for role selection (which makes sense)

I did think it was a little suspicious that Pixar knew they could have talked, but its most likely he just read the rules

your not the only one who hadnt realized it said scum could talk in the 1st 48 hours i musta skipped right over that myself as well

[TimWoodbury]

Ah I see, thats really good logic. Either way we shouldnt be trying to influence Tim's decision too much.

The good thing about his claim is it takes the big set of cross hairs of your back. I guess I am not the only person who assumed you would be the vig.

as mitcch wing and 1 other said i cant kill just for the hell of killing i gotta think it through and have a really good feeling and reason behind it, first foundation i had a kill and shot jsut to shoot and it really hurt townies loseing the cop so i already made that mistake once not gonna do it again. so am i going to shot/kill yes will i shoot/kill N1 right now no will something happen from now and N1 to make me change my mind ive not a clue but if i have a good reason or feeling someone is scum then i will.

ps PT and wing seems like a odd couple not shure if PT was saying his vote on wing was to take attention off them being partners or what the way he worded the reason he votes wing seemd off and oddly written may have been one of thoose things like i said before sounds good in head on paper soounds really bad and differant then what was ment

[madmitch]

does mafia A and mafia B know each other? can they talk all together at night or just in their group ? will this information make it easier to find them? my scum radar is a screwed up now with Pixar joining us. still think Tim is scum but also wondering about some of pixars remarks, also Pt is playing scummy.shit I don't know!! day 1 is a pain

[HotShot53]

I see ptlowe as a newish player and was told by a scummate to have a fake claim ready and he thought he was under pressure so he claimed. Just a guess but I'm thinking Wing is his scum buddy and trying to get the attention off him if he gets lynched.

Ohhh this makes me look like Im smart. Good idea. Let me Vote Wing to throw suspicion off of him.

What the actual crap. You have voted me because you think I am YOUR scum partner. Do you ever think?

For future reference this could all have been avoided. When I asked, "why did you vote me? Do you think I am scum?" this was an innocent question. At this point you should have said that it was a rash move based on emotion mostly. Thats perfectly understandable, especially for a new player. And I will unvote as such, but you protracted this out not me, I gave you opportunity to explain yourself. Its D1 we have to act on the smallest of remarks. Additionally, it will become obvious very quickly if you are not actually VT so your claim has very much saved your skin for now. That doesnt make it right.

I have a question for everyone. Why is nobody objecting to Epi's post suggesting we no lynch? That never ever benefits town.

Unvote Vote Epi

He is now following up with "Dont kill Tim", which plays into scums hands as its a kill they cant control. Tim should kill and he should not let anyone tell him who to kill. It is up to him. He has got a strong role and should use it. Not using the power town has is just asking to lose. It may do more harm than good, but thats the responsibility Tim has to take.

Epi doesnt like the fact I am making town reads, which is never good for town as it makes it harder to turn town against each other later in the game if they trust each other. This is why making town reads is so important.

Below is the closest Epi came to making a positive contribution to try and move the game forward. Read it carefully, all he actually says is kill the inactives, which is never beneficial to town. Even manages to say in the same line, SK might be at the top of the list, but I will not look there for the SK.


It should be noted Mets is also suggesting that the town vig doesnt use the most potent town power in the game as well. If the vig is no threat to mafia then they will find the cop even quicker.

@End Ptlowe and WCG is not polarized, it suits at least two factions in the game for it to appear so. Unlike in normal mafia there is little incentive for anyone to defend each other as there are multiple small factions.

Honestly, what scum would suggest no-lynching day 1? A newbie, maybe... but anyone who is experienced knows that the words "No-lynch" are almost immediately followed up by "lynch him!" I wondered how long it would take someone to jump on the easy case of "lynch anyone who mentions no-lynch", and it looks like you took the bait. To me, that's a negative for you. And then the suggestion that tim should just go shooting instead of maybe waiting until he actually has a little better idea who he is shooting out is also not good for you... and then all the pressure on a newbie over nothing, sort of like aage as scum did last game (as someone mentioned)... added up, that puts you as the one with the most negatives at this point, so I will vote Wing