[Official] Choose Your Own Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Metsfanmax]

Most of you consider wing as scummy, I'd say there is 1 scum between Epi and wing. If one of them dies, and flips town, I'd be all over the other one to lynch.

What is your reasoning here?

[benga]

according to draft at least 1 has to be mafia from bottom
so it's either pt, HS, maybe mitch
will still have to rethink my vote on pt, even if I don't like his attitude and even he doesn't say anything on his behalf
HS is just to quiet

[Epitaph1]

I don't think the draft order has anything to do with alignment. I thought we all just submitted our numbers and the alignments were randomly generated.

[Metsfanmax]

The argument would be that 1 out of every 3 players is non-town, so there's a good chance that there's one non-town in any group of 3 players you select. Not guaranteed, of course.

[Army of GOD]

according to draft at least 1 has to be mafia from bottom
so it's either pt, HS, maybe mitch
will still have to rethink my vote on pt, even if I don't like his attitude and even he doesn't say anything on his behalf
HS is just to quiet

"has" to be? no.

could very well be, yes. But that's a big difference.

[Endgame422]

Epi i disagree,ill lynch anyone i labeled as soft scum,hell id lynch someone i placed as neutral on my list rather then go no lynch.
I know you have logic behind your continued mentioning of no-lynch but its a total gamble.
We go no lynch and 3/4 turn up dead tomorrow.
Scum will aim for the more obvious townies and should be fairly succesful. I mean if scum knows who the other scum are they are not doing a very good job of making cases against them,meanwhile there are a few players that are considered town by nearly everyone,and scum will likely target them for NKs and try to lynch other scum during the day for towncred.
Scum has the major advantage at night,even with multiple scum factions. They might murder each other later on but right now town is the 800 pound gorilla.
Lynches are towns best weapon.
I feel like you know this but are trying to make no lynch seem like a viable option,which it really isnt.
Fpd by a few

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Agree End, I am not going to wait for mafia to win the game for us. Any help they give with non-town night kills is a bonus, and not to be relied upon.

I would lynch any of, Epi, PT, Pix, Hotshot, or Benga.

AoG seems to think that waiting for mafia to shoot each other is a viable strategy so may well consider lynching him too.

[madmitch]

according to draft at least 1 has to be mafia from bottom
so it's either pt, HS, maybe mitch
will still have to rethink my vote on pt, even if I don't like his attitude and even he doesn't say anything on his behalf
HS is just to quiet

Have you forgotten you are on the bottom and why are you giving Dakky a free pass? a lot of people have given you the evil eye and I thought no you are town but maybe you are the scum you are preaching about

[Whatsausage]

I don't think the draft order has anything to do with alignment. I thought we all just submitted our numbers and the alignments were randomly generated.

I agree with this, it is possible that the top 5 are all scum or that the bottom 5 are all scum, we have no way of knowing. All that the draft order tells us is relative likelihood of someone having a PR.

This Day 1 is even more of a crapshoot than normal, as there are three scum factions, it is really easy for scum to scum hunt and look town when compared to a single faction game. Really all that sets the scum apart is that they are looking for 3 or 4 scum instead of 5 (although they would be more willing to off town in the process). This would mean buddying would be the largest scumtell in my opinion. Of course scum will usually try to distance themselves from each other, but if anyone sees buddying, they should call it out. The other largest scumtell would be trying to appear town in ways other than scumhunting.

So far my three biggest scum reads are ptlowe, madmitch and benga.

My biggest town reads are dakky, Epi and Mets

This is like a list post only worse. While it is okay that you don't have a strong read on everyone at this point, you should at least provide reasons for your reads, even if you have stated them before. Otherwise you are forcing others to ask you your reasons and that allows you to artificially raise your activity level. Since most Day 1 lynches are policy lynches anyway, it appears you are just trying to skate by. Actually, going back and reading just your posts, I really get a bad feeling about your play so far. Your first five posts all include a vote or fos, while some of these are joke, that is still an awful lot to be changing. You admit that you normally support a no-lynch Day 1, but not this time. You say it is because of 33% odds, I might say it is because you are scum and looking for more deaths and it is a >80% chance that the lynch isn't in your group. I don't think that no lynch is the best choice, but a chance in play is often a red flag for me. You have endgame as scum for a short time because he was trying to get the game moving when we have a ten day day. This, even though shortly after you are placing your vote in a manner so as to "not splinter the vote." To me, this sounds like you wanting to narrow the focus to a couple candidates to make sure one is lynched relatively quickly. I get the feel that your actions and what you are saying really don't match up. You go on to support the idea of lynching all the inactives, because the odds are good that one of them could be scum, you defend this with that for any 5 lynched, one or two should be scum and this is an acceptable ratio because chances are that scum will kill each other off as well. The problem here is that we would mostly be shooting blind, and the active players would mostly be killed off while gaining little info from anything but deaths themselves. This may just be a personal style difference, but most of your posts are quick one or two liners. I'm not asking for novels, but I see posts like this as barely trying to scratch the surface. I get the scummiest vibes from your posts out of everyone's so unvote vote Army of GOD

FP'd x3

according to draft at least 1 has to be mafia from bottom
so it's either pt, HS, maybe mitch
will still have to rethink my vote on pt, even if I don't like his attitude and even he doesn't say anything on his behalf
HS is just to quiet

"has" to be? no.

could very well be, yes. But that's a big difference.

Another fluff post. While I agree with what you say here, this is the simple "I'm making a correct statement which is positive so I'm town" post that I feel a lot of yours are. I will grant that some of my posts have been this, but I have also tried to do much more in my other posts.

I still don't like ptlowe coming out like he did, but I can see it as a panic move of defense, especially after similar claims were met with nothing more than a "tsk tsk, but slight town because of it"

Hotshot is more of a Day 2 player unless he is pressured, but I believe we are getting too late in the day for him to be pressured enough short of about 3 quick votes.

FP'd by wing

and Fp'd by mitch as well

[Epitaph1]

I'd rather not no lynch, which is why I'm trying to determine who people are willing to lynch. We only need 8 of us to agree that one person has to go, which seems doable despite the current VC.

My point about a no lynch scenario is that it's not as fatal to town this game as it is in normal mafia games.

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That said, to make things easier on all of us, let's start an easy to read list of who we are each willing to lynch/pressure/whatever right now. Everyone, add your name to the list even if you aren't willing to lynch anyone right now.

Epi - mitch, Hotshot, AoG

fp'd

Agree re: AoG. Added him to my list.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

WhatSausages - Thats a really good quality post.

Epi - Dont forget the doublevoter

[Army of GOD]

AoG seems to think that waiting for mafia to shoot each other is a viable strategy so may well consider lynching him too.

what? I never said "this is what we should do". I said it's very well possible that scum could kill each other in the night. I never once suggested a no lynch which your post seems to imply.

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So far my three biggest scum reads are ptlowe, madmitch and benga.

My biggest town reads are dakky, Epi and Mets

This is like a list post only worse. While it is okay that you don't have a strong read on everyone at this point, you should at least provide reasons for your reads, even if you have stated them before. Otherwise you are forcing others to ask you your reasons and that allows you to artificially raise your activity level. Since most Day 1 lynches are policy lynches anyway, it appears you are just trying to skate by. Actually, going back and reading just your posts, I really get a bad feeling about your play so far. Your first five posts all include a vote or fos, while some of these are joke, that is still an awful lot to be changing. You admit that you normally support a no-lynch Day 1, but not this time. You say it is because of 33% odds, I might say it is because you are scum and looking for more deaths and it is a >80% chance that the lynch isn't in your group.

waittttt. So, supporting a no lynch is normally scummy, but in this case because I'm advocating against a no lynch, I'm scummy? come on...the logic there isn't great.

also, as per my reads, I've been saying why I think people are scummy throughout the game. I didn't feel it necessary to re-list the reasons. Also, if I wanted to I could just make up reasons. It wouldn't be that difficult. I don't get why you're hung up on that. I mean, look at everyone's "read list" posts. Everything is "I get a town feeling/I liked their posts" or "I get a scum feeling/I don't like their posts". I just cut the middle man and left that out

This may just be a personal style difference, but most of your posts are quick one or two liners. I'm not asking for novels, but I see posts like this as barely trying to scratch the surface.

I assure you, this is consistent with how I play mafia. I'm not one for long-winded posts. I'm sure someone who's played with me here can attest to that.

[Army of GOD]

also I know that I voted Endgame early but he's acted a lot less scummy lately than benga, mitch and ptlowe to this point. That doesn't mean I don't have him pegged as scum still...

[Army of GOD]

IMy point about a no lynch scenario is that it's not as fatal to town this game as it is in normal mafia games.

I strongly disagree. This game has a higher percentage of scum than usual. We have a higher probability of hitting mafia in a random (D1 votes are random...no one is that good at scum reading) lynch in this game than in any other game (where they're usually 3-4 scum for 15 players).

I think a no lynch would be very bad at this point

[Army of GOD]

also, how come my post gets considered "fluff" while Mets has pretty much the same thing right before it (I didn't realize Mets made that post when I made mine)

[*Pixar*]

We only got a couple days left, so do we lynch without a claim? or do we force a claim then analyze it before the day ends?

[Army of GOD]

also also, this is what I'm talking about when I say "why do I need reasoning". This is all fluff, no substance. Nothing here is revelatory...it's just "I think he's scum"

1.Metsfanmax - leaning town; decent input
2.TimWoodbury - leaning town; his actions and claim strike me as a new town player wanting to prove himself. Don't want to pursue him at this point because he'll either be NK'd soon or we'll be able to hold him accountable for his kills.
4.WingCmdrGinkapo - can't tell if he's just trying to mix stuff up or is honestly scum. I don't like how hard he's gone after ptolwe, whom I read as town. I've also had other polar opposite reads (AoG comes to mind), which concerns me as well. However, idk if he'd be making this much noise and potentially attracting attention to himself if he's malicious. He's in the top 5 people, so my guess is that he gets NK'd within the first 2 night if he's town.
5.dazza2008 *Pixar* - no idea. pixar is always impossible to read for me
6.Army of GOD - didn't like his posts for a long time. He's picked up his activity since I started calling him out. I'm not as hot to trot on him as I was at first, but he's still on my short list.
7.Endgame422 - leaning town
8.Whatsausage - no idea. guy seems to come and go. Could use some more posting from him.
9.virus90 - same read as sausage, but he participates even less but it's par for the course for him.
10.Streaker - leaning town - would like to hear more reads from him since people seem to regard him as town
11.HotShot53 neutral to scummy. needs to step it up quite a bit.
12.dakky21 - neutral to leaning town. At first I thought his claim was new guy wanting to prove his role (see Tim) but he's dropped off quite a bit.
13.ptlowe - leaning town. I might be alone in this but he strikes me as classic new player
14.madmitch - neutral - had him leaning town based on claim (see dakky and tim) but now I'm not so sure. playing up his ignorance quite a bit and I think he knows more than he's letting on. He's been in quite a few mafia games recently to all of a sudden not understand that 2 separate mafias can't communicate.
15.benga - kinda scummy. not adding much, not sure if he's consciously doing this or new to the game

for the record, I'm not calling Epi out or anything. Like I said, I think he's town. But let's not act like my reads post was anything out of the ordinary.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

AoG seems to think that waiting for mafia to shoot each other is a viable strategy so may well consider lynching him too.

what? I never said "this is what we should do". I said it's very well possible that scum could kill each other in the night. I never once suggested a no lynch which your post seems to imply.

I did not mean to imply that you advocate a no-lynch. You have been very vocal in your advocation of a random lynch of inactives. I also will vouch that it is not abnormal for you to advocate random or no-lynches D1.

5posts?

[benga]

according to draft at least 1 has to be mafia from bottom
so it's either pt, HS, maybe mitch
will still have to rethink my vote on pt, even if I don't like his attitude and even he doesn't say anything on his behalf
HS is just to quiet

Have you forgotten you are on the bottom and why are you giving Dakky a free pass? a lot of people have given you the evil eye and I thought no you are town but maybe you are the scum you are preaching about

I am giving him free pass with my knowledge of his behaviour, you were the one came out so fast after him saying you are town, that's just nice of covering your ass.
No one even pressured you or anything.

based on pt reactions to my post, i am getting feeling he ain't scum, just not certain yet

is virus even alive?
would like to hear a line or 2 from him

[Metsfanmax]

WhatSausages - Thats a really good quality post.

So your response to a post that makes the point "it's scummy to throw in correct one-liners to sound townish" is to compliment someone for their post with a one-liner, and then immediately do it again with "don't forget the double-voter?" Somehow I don't get the sense that you really believe it's a high-quality post.

Also, Whatsausage has been one of the least active players this game, and it's just as easy to make the argument that it's scummy to avoid participation for pages on end and then throw in a three-paragraph post once in a while to make it look like you're really engaged.

[Epitaph1]

Who are you guys willing to lynch? Time's a'wasting. This might be our last real life day with decent activity, so let's get to the point.

[madmitch]

I am giving him free pass with my knowledge of his behaviour, you were the one came out so fast after him saying you are town, that's just nice of covering your ass.
No one even pressured you or anything.

based on pt reactions to my post, i am getting feeling he ain't scum, just not certain yet

is virus even alive?
would like to hear a line or 2 from him[/quote]
okay that make sense,so what do you want to do?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mets - Can I not congratulate a player on putting a lot of effort into writing a cohesive well laid out post?

[ptlowe]

Reads

1.Metsfanmax (1,6). For me Mets is town. His posts show he is trying to ferret oust scum and has constantly asked why people had opinions on different people for lynching. This screams town for me.
2.TimWoodbury (3,8) Tim seemed scum early but his post about his role threw me off. I think he is town but has painted a nice big bullseye on his back and is counting on other town to save him
3.Epitaph1 (5,12), Epis posts seem to be just searching for scum. I do not get any scum reads from him. Most of his posts have helped me clear up others opinions. Strongest read for me for town.
4.WingCmdrGinkapo (9,9) Tossed up on Wing, 1 for focusing me so hard. 2, for backing off once I lost it for a few posts. 3, I havent seem much ideas after me on who is scum but to group post about the people he would lynch. On the other hand he has investigated and looked. I got him as a big question mark
5.dazza2008 *Pixar* (13,6) Great to have as dazza was inactive. I dont think I have seen enough posts to decide one way or another on his direction.
6.Army of GOD(2,2)leaning scum for me now because of his 5 quick defensive posts when pushed. Doesnt really show strong reads but goes with the bandwagon. His five posts really are a tell for me. (as much of one as I can give as I am a noob)
7.Endgame422 (2,7) I find his posts to be 100% town. He is more town in this game than the last and only other game I have played with he had the same type of anaysis and thought patters
8.Whatsausage (8,3) Kind of running the same way he did in my first game with him. Posted a lot in the beginning then kind of sitting back and let people throw mud at each other. His last post was excellent but still the inactivity is kind of like last time and the stream of posts is about the same. Slight scum read
9.virus90 (8,9) Should be kicked for inactivity
10.Streaker (6,2) From my readings he town. Hes trying to push for scum and look under every hole. I like his reads and direction. Strong Ton
11.HotShot53 (6,3) Not much to go on his activity is just enough to keep him from people wanting to him to be kicked but not enough to get a solid read. Dont really like this approach.
12.dakky21 (6,6) Town due to his searching and posts. Seems to see something and jump right on it and forget his ine of thought beforehand.
14.madmitch (7,7) looking scum. Follows crowd votes and disappears. Only plays when needing to defend himself.
15.benga (7,12)Unsure on bega, like hotshot posting just enough to be considered playing but not enough to get a good read. From what others are saying thats a scum tel.

People I would Lynch
AOG, Wing, Sausage, Virus, hotshot

unvote vote AOG

[Army of GOD]

6.Army of GOD... Doesnt really show strong reads but goes with the bandwagon.

I was the first vote on Endgame and the second vote on you. That's hardly bandwagoning...