[Official] Choose Your Own Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Endgame422]

Players to be investigated/followed
Sausage,Streaker,pix
Players to be saved/watched
Mets is a solid choice,Tim,
Players to be vigged/blocked
HS,benga
Just food for thought.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Dont tell the power roles what to do, they do not know your alignment and you do not know theirs. Start doing this and it opens the doors to manipulation of town powers from mafia, and town impersonation by mafia.

[Endgame422]

Dont tell the power roles what to do, they do not know your alignment and you do not know theirs. Start doing this and it opens the doors to manipulation of town powers from mafia, and town impersonation by mafia.

Noone needs to listen to me. Sometimes a second opinion is nice. Also those are not addressed to anyone so only the players with those roles get anything from my post.
And town impersonation by mafia?
As opposed to what?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Dont tell the power roles what to do, they do not know your alignment and you do not know theirs. Start doing this and it opens the doors to manipulation of town powers from mafia, and town impersonation by mafia.

Noone needs to listen to me. Sometimes a second opinion is nice. Also those are not addressed to anyone so only the players with those roles get anything from my post.
And town impersonation by mafia?
As opposed to what?

If you tell a powerole what to do, and they do it, does this make them town? No, but you will become biased by it, it makes it really easy for mafia to blend in.

[Epitaph1]

He structures this vote much as the same way as Wing. Follows other players' leads and votes and says just enough for it not to come across as a bandwagon.

Did you mean to insinuate that I have been bandwagoning? You'll find that I have started most of my cases whereas Hotshot has joined the majority vote everytime, and why I agree that he is scum.

Ptlowe -If we lynch Epi and he flips town, then we know that these posts he is currently making are not biased. We also can look at the players votes in light of Epi's alignment being known. If we do not lynch then we start D2 in the same position, albeit with less town players. Admittedly as AoG has tried but failed to eloquent, multiple players will die tonight and give us a lot to work with.

*Note: Substitute Epi for any other player.

No, I was saying that Hotshot's vote on me is the same way he voted for you. Piggybacking other's work with a little comment of his own to make it not look like a bandwagon.

[Epitaph1]

If Hotshot is really scum and we catch him for such a pedestrian reason as straight up bandwagoning, I'm going to be sorely disappointed in his play.

What's your take on HS?

[Marashu]

Mod question for you. Lets say last two standing are bomb and SK. Who wins if the SK targets the Bomb during a night action?

I just reviewed all the win conditions, and I will say that in the specific case of SK vs bomb, the bomb's faction would win.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mod question for you. Lets say last two standing are bomb and SK. Who wins if the SK targets the Bomb during a night action?

I just reviewed all the win conditions, and I will say that in the specific case of SK vs bomb, the bomb's faction would win.

I hope the bomb lasts long enough to make this happen.

[ptlowe]

Mod question for you. Lets say last two standing are bomb and SK. Who wins if the SK targets the Bomb during a night action?

I just reviewed all the win conditions, and I will say that in the specific case of SK vs bomb, the bomb's faction would win.

I hope the bomb lasts long enough to make this happen.

that would be an awesome ending lol. SK thinking muhahaha I win and then BOOMB dead.

[HotShot53]

Unvote as I don't want to lynch the watcher, we need him around to make scum more cautious at taking out the high-picking players. Also seems like more of a thing a town would pick that high; the only reason for a scum to pick it would be to be sure no-one else had it, and to look towny.

I did a quick read through of ptlowe's posts, and I don't see anything particularly scummy in them. Other than the fact he's a claimed VT with a lot of votes on him, what makes him worthy of lynching?

[HotShot53]

If Hotshot is really scum and we catch him for such a pedestrian reason as straight up bandwagoning, I'm going to be sorely disappointed in his play.

Lol, I think I play the opposite of most people... that's why as I've said before in other games, the more towny people think I am, the more likely I am to be scum, and vice versa. When scum, I don't have to worry about being wrong, since I already know my teammates, so I can go "scum" hunting with confidence I'm not accidentally going after a teammate. When town, I have no clue about anyone, especially day 1, so I am much less likely to seem to be a strong scum hunter.

[Streaker]

Streaker your vote there makes zero sense.
PT and epi have the same number of votes discounting your vote.
Either you arent paying attention or your trying to make an excuse to bump the watcher.

Zero sense? I believe both wagons were on 5 each, me included. 24 hours before day ends, 8 to lynch. Only 1 not voting. I moved my vote to get a better chance at a lynch on one considered by many to be scummy today, and someone I already called out earlier.

Actually you didnt know he was the watcher yet excuse me,but you still knew he was a high drafted player.

And you or the 4 others voting Epi did not know he was a high drafter player?
A scum would have much use taking watcher, btw. You can gain town credit for finding other scum, and you take away an investigation from town.

Said it before, do not take claims into account this game. It means nothing. If Epi claimed doc, it changes nothing. Lynch if you think scum, period.

I'd also encourage others to move their vote, too. We'll be looking at a no lynch soon if they don't.

[Endgame422]

I consider PT scummier then Epi, but my vote is being wasted where it is with only about 24 h left.
It's bandwagoning from me, but I did state I would support an Epi lynch way earlier then this, and I never liked the way Epi has been pushing AoG.

Unvote, vote Epi

Yeah i repeat zero sense.
If pt is scummier then epi,and they are tied in votes,why vote for epi?
Seems like you want epi dead for reasons besides thinking he is scum.

[ptlowe]

I consider PT scummier then Epi, but my vote is being wasted where it is with only about 24 h left.
It's bandwagoning from me, but I did state I would support an Epi lynch way earlier then this, and I never liked the way Epi has been pushing AoG.

Unvote, vote Epi

Yeah i repeat zero sense.
If pt is scummier then epi,and they are tied in votes,why vote for epi?
Seems like you want epi dead for reasons besides thinking he is scum.

I think streaker thinks epi has a prettier mouth

[Streaker]

I consider PT scummier then Epi, but my vote is being wasted where it is with only about 24 h left.
It's bandwagoning from me, but I did state I would support an Epi lynch way earlier then this, and I never liked the way Epi has been pushing AoG.

Unvote, vote Epi

Yeah i repeat zero sense.
If pt is scummier then epi,and they are tied in votes,why vote for epi?
Seems like you want epi dead for reasons besides thinking he is scum.

That's not my response that you are quoting. I hope you did read that first before making that post.

I prefer pt over epi, and epi over a no lynch.

[subtleknifewield]

Dont tell the power roles what to do, they do not know your alignment and you do not know theirs. Start doing this and it opens the doors to manipulation of town powers from mafia, and town impersonation by mafia.

Noone needs to listen to me. Sometimes a second opinion is nice. Also those are not addressed to anyone so only the players with those roles get anything from my post.
And town impersonation by mafia?
As opposed to what?

If you tell a powerole what to do, and they do it, does this make them town? No, but you will become biased by it, it makes it really easy for mafia to blend in.

I'm not reading it as him telling them what to do, merely offering advice. Not everyone in this game has a lot of experience.

[subtleknifewield]

Overall, my scum reads are as follows

Hotshot: Skating by on little activity, responding only when absolutely necessary. Is also on the bottom portion of the draft so is less of a risk in case he is a mislynch. This is my ideal lynch.

However, I can see the case on Ptlowe as well, and it seems to actually have the potential to go somewhere. If we can lynch him or he dies in the night and he flips scum, I highly suspect Streaker might be as well and would advocate a lynch on Streaker.

Endgae's pretty much gone back to a strong town read for me, so in the end, with the options presented, not seeing Epi as scum, I am going to have to Vote: Ptlowe

[subtleknifewield]

Just to make sure it is seen, that is Vote: Ptlowe.

I have now caught up to everything.

[subtleknifewield]

Also one last edification. If We can get Ptlowe out of the picture here and he flips town, I am still a strong advocate of a HS lynch

[Endgame422]

Streaker,
If you prefer the PT lynch,why is your vote for epi?
You said.your vote was wasted on PT,who has never had less votes then epi and has been a likely target of todays lymch ever since he claimed.
How is a vote thats likely leading to a lynch of your top scum read wasted?

[Streaker]

Streaker,
If you prefer the PT lynch,why is your vote for epi?
You said.your vote was wasted on PT,who has never had less votes then epi and has been a likely target of todays lymch ever since he claimed.
How is a vote thats likely leading to a lynch of your top scum read wasted?

I explained this in my earlier post, but I'll be as straight forward as I can.
The reason I switched votes is because I feel (or felt, at that time), that ptlowe had less chance of getting lynched. I switched because I value the lynch of Epi over a no lynch scenario.

Nobody was taking any action to push either case further to a lynch close to deadline, so I stuck my head out knowing fully well I'd take the heat for it.

Overall, my scum reads are as follows

However, I can see the case on Ptlowe as well, and it seems to actually have the potential to go somewhere. If we can lynch him or he dies in the night and he flips scum, I highly suspect Streaker might be as well and would advocate a lynch on Streaker.

Endgae's pretty much gone back to a strong town read for me, so in the end, with the options presented, not seeing Epi as scum, I am going to have to Vote: Ptlowe

You can think all you want about me switching votes, but please explain how a ptlowe flips scum links me to him. Now THAT makes no sense.

Endgame, if you don't agree with what I just said, it means that you prefer a no lynch over any lynch D1. I did what I did to increase our chances of lynching, just as I'll probably gonna go back to my original vote on PT since he is now more likely to be lynched. I am 100% fine being on either wagon/hammering either of them.

[Streaker]

Ok just did a quick vote count and PT is now on 6. If I switch now it's L-1, or hammer if the double voter is on the wagon.

Unvote, vote ptlowe

btw, endgame, subtlknife is doing the same: giving his preferred lynch, yet voting someone else. It's not that strange.

[subtleknifewield]

Streaker,
If you prefer the PT lynch,why is your vote for epi?
You said.your vote was wasted on PT,who has never had less votes then epi and has been a likely target of todays lymch ever since he claimed.
How is a vote thats likely leading to a lynch of your top scum read wasted?

I explained this in my earlier post, but I'll be as straight forward as I can.
The reason I switched votes is because I feel (or felt, at that time), that ptlowe had less chance of getting lynched. I switched because I value the lynch of Epi over a no lynch scenario.

Nobody was taking any action to push either case further to a lynch close to deadline, so I stuck my head out knowing fully well I'd take the heat for it.

Overall, my scum reads are as follows

However, I can see the case on Ptlowe as well, and it seems to actually have the potential to go somewhere. If we can lynch him or he dies in the night and he flips scum, I highly suspect Streaker might be as well and would advocate a lynch on Streaker.

Endgae's pretty much gone back to a strong town read for me, so in the end, with the options presented, not seeing Epi as scum, I am going to have to Vote: Ptlowe

You can think all you want about me switching votes, but please explain how a ptlowe flips scum links me to him. Now THAT makes no sense.

Endgame, if you don't agree with what I just said, it means that you prefer a no lynch over any lynch D1. I did what I did to increase our chances of lynching, just as I'll probably gonna go back to my original vote on PT since he is now more likely to be lynched. I am 100% fine being on either wagon/hammering either of them.

Because it looks suspiciously like you trying to trump up a reason not to vote your scum buddy when another opportunity presents itself.

Ok just did a quick vote count and PT is now on 6. If I switch now it's L-1, or hammer if the double voter is on the wagon.

Unvote, vote ptlowe

btw, endgame, subtlknife is doing the same: giving his preferred lynch, yet voting someone else. It's not that strange.

My difference is, mine makes more sense...and how convenient, you switch over once I throw in a vote, to bandwagon on the one it looks easier to lynch, either to make yourself look good, or to simply take the easier route.

[Streaker]

Nice controverse in your post. So first you think I voted away from my scumbuddy (which I've hunted the entire game, I was the instigator in the case on PT), and now it's scummy that I vote him back (and maybe even hammered him)?

Besides, I could have had my vote on anyone random one, and the 'route I took' is far from the easiest one...

[subtleknifewield]

Nice controverse in your post. So first you think I voted away from my scumbuddy (which I've hunted the entire game, I was the instigator in the case on PT), and now it's scummy that I vote him back (and maybe even hammered him)?

Besides, I could have had my vote on anyone random one, and the 'route I took' is far from the easiest one...

My logic is far from contradictory, which is what you MEANT to say when you said contraverse.

The first made you scummy because you leapt on an opportunity, either to not to vote a potential scum buddy when they were already tied, or simply whichever vote bandwagon looked easier to you...and then you leapt right back when it was clear no one was buying your reasoning, making you look opportunistic and wishy-washy.

Each is a separate action, and are scum-tells given the CONTEXT around which they happened.