Line of Duty Mafia game - DAY 1 Game on

[annieh]

What is FP?

A no lynch kingm vote is not saving kingm when no one is getting lynched anyway. I want to go into day 2 with a threat of violence against silent players and am willing to go on the record to say so. If it gets L-2 on another player I will support a lynch.

I'm listening to and considering your points too.

[SoN!c]

FP is fast post. In the time you posted something you notice another post was already placed in the timeframe you were typing yours..

And

Trying to catch up on this but seems like a lot of grasping at straws D1.

Do we know whether scum know who each other are? Previous games that info only came into play N1. Has LC let us know what that gameplay is

Also LOOSE CANON you never answered me on this:

LC will you keep Cofari in the game if night comes and just give him no actions if he has any or will you mod kill?

Standard games give following welcome message to scum:

Welcome, . You are a Mafia X, along with your partner(s), [Player Name(s)].
Abilities: X

Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partner here [QuickTopic link].
Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional kill.
Win condition: X

You win when you control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

@LC : please mod answer Dev..

Looks like a no lynch this way.. thx Dev. Oh well at least i played the game like i wanted to play it getting to know what i wanted to know..

PS: If im killed tonight look at Kingm (100%),Traf and Charle..i think Ragian + Annieh + DJ are town. For what its worth.

[hjelp]

I shall not quote in this post.

There are concerns raised regarding my vote on an inactive player - meaning that it won't give us anything.
I say that it depends on the outcome.
If Cofari flips Town - then it's like Kingm flips Town (though it might differ in town PRs or no PR at all).
If Cofari flips Scum - then it's like Kingm flips Scum (though it might differ in scum PRs or no PR at all).

So, please can someone (that say that lynch of an inactive player won't give us anything) explain the difference in that Kingm gives us something and Cofari gives us nothing.

Next. I vote on Cofari because Cofari so far is inactive. I like a game when players are active, that's why I vote on Cofari. And if to get Cofari active, maybe it takes L-2 to achieve that.

Kingm did soft-claim Town Vanilla if I recall. I can't answer for Kingm if there will be a claim-change if L-2.
But since Kingm sof-claimed I'm more interested in finding out if L-2 Cofari will achieve a result, hopefully active and maybe a soft-claim too.

[SoN!c]

Voting awol players like cod or cofari needs to be done at the start of the days - certainly not when the deadline counter is ticking away by the hour. If im still alive tomorrow and Cofari is not mod killed we will get him to L-2 asap.

[hjelp]

Ok I think its time for me to set an end of Day1 deadline - Saturday 14th March
If no majority of 8 for lynching then we will progress to night phase

Its unfortunate that players haven't posted, maybe don't know mechanism of game etc

BUT

Any players who don't post/turn up for duty at all during a Day phase will have any personal Night Powers SUSPENDED
eg no show at all Day1 no personal NIGHT POWERS Night 1

This force has crime statistics to protect and awards to win
Making the force look good is a team effort!
Good work everyone else, carry on as you are

No mod kill

[hjelp]

"... don't post/turn up for duty at all during a Day phase ..."
That means not only D1 phase - it means every Day phase

[Devante]

VOTE COFARI

Rather remove a player who's not contributing then one who is engaged in the game as I don't see anything making me want to vote on anyone else atm

[Kingm]

I want to write something, and also change my vote, but since anything I say can and will be used against me, I have tried to shut up the last couple of hours.

[annieh]

I want to write something, and also change my vote, but since anything I say can and will be used against me, I have tried to shut up the last couple of hours.

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UNVOTE general cod

VOTE kingm

[kongming3]

Unvote

Vote Kingm

I think a lot of son!c's reads and arguments for what would be gained from a kingm lynch are necessarily biased and overly absolutist, or ignoring certain things for convenience of the narrative. With that said, I do absolutely agree that town gains the most information, good and bad, from any outcome of a kingm lynch. I would caution people to do their own analysis and not blindly trust reads from anyone sounding confident, but town players alive in later days should individually look back on moments like this for the discussion and timing of votes and reads made once more information on revealed scum and town arises.

I also (somewhat separately) do think kingm has displayed odd behaviour, and I did not like the unforced vanilla claim. I believe I mentioned earlier why that 95% of the time hurts town, and I'm inclined to believe it as a legitimate claim given no changes have been made under this further pressure, seeming like either scum sticking to their guns or at least a true non-pr role townie.

A number of people who have skated by with minimal comments from day 1, but such is the nature of the beast for now I suppose. I'm also interested in what happens to those truly awol - no mod kills feels tricky for town to deal with and might lead to wasting a day's lynch or lacking votes for the supposed majority needed. Possibility that they're scum or town prs and so can't be easily killed off without consequence?

[homer_jay]

a vote for inactive players gives us nothing. even if we get lucky and hit scum, there's nothing in it that helps us identify other scum. hjelp - you didn't want to quote in your post. but how does finding out whether cofari is town/scum tell us what kingm is?

and yes sonic, i am comfortable with lynching kingm. i think traf is the most suspicious - a post that literally says nothing, and then disappear again. kingm at least is trying to defend himself and claim town. traf didn't even go that far. but i agree with your logic that we would find out traf's role by seeing which way the kingm lynch takes us.

Vote Kingm

[Ragian]

I might be late to the party, but just answering hjelp here: There's no lynch wagon to analyse when lynching a non-poster. We gain no information about anyone voting for them because everyone's argument is that "we need to get rid of the silent ones." Leave that to the mod. Moreover, silence is not alignment indicative. A LOT of players are silent in this game. What do we have, three players (Cod, Cofari, Riskmaster) that have barely posted, two players (Strike, Traf) that have made a minimum of posts and a handful that have posted almost adequately.
- Take the first batch. Are all of them scum? Obviously not. Might one of them be scum? Of course. We just don't know, and if we mislynch, we're absolutely no better off D2 in terms of analysing players. Also, non-posters are always scrutinised heavily by PRs, so it doesn't really do you any favours to stay completely silent. All I'd say is that if you sign up for a game, you play the game. If you've signed up and gotten into time-related issues (or you don't like what you've signed up for), you contact the mod and get modkilled or, preferably, replaced.
- Take the second batch. Here we start to be able to dig into something in terms of analysis because they want to seem as if they're here without adding anything useful to D1. Strike says he's busy. What can you do? Traf always hates D1, and I've lynched him based on lack of participation in the past with an unlucky outcome (so has Son!c, which is why I'm wary of Son!c blazing against Traf).
- Batch three I think is fair game.

@hjelp, I don't understand your line of duty question. I haven't seen the show. If you're asking if I know Son!c's alignment, then no, of course.

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I've seen someone - can't remember who, might be hjelp, too (RHYME!) - suggesting that I have a friendship with Son!c in this game. I fear that that person hasn't read the game. I think I've been quite vocal in my suspicions of Son!c, but (almost) no one followed, and since I'm here to win as town (which we do by gaining information through flips and play analysis barring any lucky PRs), I had to change targets. Also, a couple of players (King and Charle) claimed without being on the chopping board, effectively prohibiting any further claims D1 (lest we offer up a pick'n'choose buffet for scum).

That said, I like some of Son!c's points, but like Kong (not King) has stated above, Son!c seems to overdo the outcome of any flip that a lynch of King (not Kong) might generate. And I'm still raising an eyebrow as to how Son!c went from calling me "overreaching scum" to saying that I'm almost certainly town...

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Gotta go to work, but I will be back before deadline. However, I'll do a list of players from my point of view (and would love it if everyone could do so given that town thrives in clarity rather than obscurity):

1. strike wolf - Way too silent, but I can't argue with being busy. I'm sure some PRs would target Strike knowing his reputation as an absolute brilliant player. Neutral but wary
2. TrafalgarLaw01 - Seems very Traf-like with his minimum posting adding absolutely nothing to the game. I'd want to lynch him, but it would be policy rather than actual suspicion. Neutral
3. Devante - Similar to Traf, but Devante has at least taken a stand. Obviously, it's the wrong stand, and voting for a non-poster at this crucial stage is a copout. Neutral
4. Ragian - Most handsome town player ever to roam these lands. Should be voted for, but only in the Mr. Handsome Town competition. Town
5. Djfireside - I like the level of participation and I think I've played with DJF ages ago. Came a bit late to the KingM lynching party, but has committed. Leaning town
6. Cofari - No clue, hasn't participated.
7. hjelp - I don't necessarily agree with hjelp (and I'm still reeling from the last upset - Sweden 1 - Denmark 0), but he seems genuine in his attempt to solve the case. Leaning town
8. homer_jay - I would like homer to participate more because his posts seem well thought out and rational. Leaning town
9. Riskmaster101 - No clue, hasn't participated.
10. Kingm - Claimed when under no pressure, and a poor claim to boot, messed up when under pressure. The only thing that could dissuade me from this lynch is if everyone jumped onto my original target. However, if he is indeed a mere VT, we're not suffering a heavy loss as town. Leaning scum
11. Charle - (Semi?)claimed under no pressure and has gone VERY quiet in the last couple of days, which might indicate guilt. Leaning scum
12. kongming3 - Especially the latest post of Kong's sat well with me. I would love for him to participate more. Leaning town
13. SoN!c - Soft-claimed, then got dismissive and OMGUSy when probed. If others hadn't claimed out of the blue and players were willing, this is where my vote would be, but I'm leaving my conviction in order to lynch because I think that lynching is in town's best interest as mentioned, I think, one million times on this site. Leaning scum
14.general cod - No clue, hasn't participated.
15. annieh - Seems to have decent reads and a genuine sense about her posts. And funny. That's always nice. Here's hoping everyone at work has survived... Leaning town

[Ragian]

Didn't see Homer's post. Thought I would've been FP'ed, but no...

@Homer, what is Traf if King flips town or scum respectively?

[homer_jay]

Didn't see Homer's post. Thought I would've been FP'ed, but no...

@Homer, what is Traf if King flips town or scum respectively?

my feeling about traf is that he's scum. maybe i'm wrong and this is his usual D1 play style. but i remember that game we had with the arsonist... traf was not quiet. he was active and ended up slipping up and everybody was on his as scum from pretty much the start. you remember games where he's been quiet and gotten lynched because of it, and are wary of making that mistake again. i wasn't in that game, so going on what i've seen.

i think the fact king was so quick to chime in in support of traf's dismissiveness of D1 was suspicious and links them together. and then he topped it off with that needless claim. and his randomness in defending himself from sonic's call outs isn't helping either.

to paraphrase something i remember you saying earlier.. is it poor game play or nervous scum? i'm definitely leaning towards the latter, but honestly, we aren't really worse off eliminating someone for either of those.

[Kingm]

Do we have a votecount? whats my L?
Do I even get a chance to defend myself?

[Kingm]

I find it funny that this time I probably will be killed for being to talkative, in other game I have gotten tons of warning for being too silent.

I try to be active, and people jump on me and let Sonic manipulate the killing of one of the strongest strategic brains they have in town, yeah maybe I have been a bit too wishy-washy, but that me with energy.
Sonic you know me, I write what I think straight away, before I even think, and that is what has happend here.

I promise (on my mother), that I am town, yeah I know ms.Karen is going to jump down my throat, so be it.

[Kingm]

GG GL townies, I hope you take it down.
Problem is that everyone is voting me, but look at like Sonic and Ragian I think.
At least the hedgehog, because he know me, he knows exactly how I act, this is just king being king, nothing else at all, but you will find out when I'm dead that everything I have said is 100% the truth.

[Ragian]

@Homer, cheers. I remember that game with the arsonist. Traf basically handed me the victory. So, if he was very talkative in that game and he was scum, why is he then scum when quiet?

@King, if you are indeed town, you can still win with the rest of us. Are you serious in saying that you think that Son!c and I work in tandem?

[Ragian]

Work is going well, by the way...

[Kingm]

@Homer, cheers. I remember that game with the arsonist. Traf basically handed me the victory. So, if he was very talkative in that game and he was scum, why is he then scum when quiet?

@King, if you are indeed town, you can still win with the rest of us. Are you serious in saying that you think that Son!c and I work in tandem?

So I even win if I am dead?
And hmm, like I have really thought you wore town, all the way really, but some of the post yesterday talked about a connection between you and Sonic (that I somehow have not picked up on).
But a couple other have mentioned it, and I still find Sonic to be soooo sus, since he jumped on the bandwagon as soon as I said I was just a bit sus at him, like straight after he voted me, look it up.

First time whole game I say Sonic is a bit sus and I maybe have to take another look at him, he goes from defend King to vote King, and after that everything I have said, he has spun to make me seem crazy, and he is a master spindoctor, so much better then me, so yeah I went from a bit sus on Sonic, to almost 100% sure he is scum. but 100% is a bit much, lets drop it down to 90%

[SoN!c]

Didn't see Homer's post. Thought I would've been FP'ed, but no...

@Homer, what is Traf if King flips town or scum respectively?

my feeling about traf is that he's scum. maybe i'm wrong and this is his usual D1 play style. but i remember that game we had with the arsonist... traf was not quiet. he was active and ended up slipping up and everybody was on his as scum from pretty much the start. you remember games where he's been quiet and gotten lynched because of it, and are wary of making that mistake again. i wasn't in that game, so going on what i've seen.

i think the fact king was so quick to chime in in support of traf's dismissiveness of D1 was suspicious and links them together. and then he topped it off with that needless claim. and his randomness in defending himself from sonic's call outs isn't helping either.

to paraphrase something i remember you saying earlier.. is it poor game play or nervous scum? i'm definitely leaning towards the latter, but honestly, we aren't really worse off eliminating someone for either of those.

+1

" that game we had with the arsonist... traf was not quiet. he was active and ended up slipping up and everybody was on his as scum from pretty much the start. "

Exactly. Traf knows that talking gets him into trouble when scum. But Traf is a smart player so he does not WANT to talk anymore wheither he is scum or when town alike. Otherwise the tell would be child's play.. Still he is TOO SILENT here leaning more towards the scummy Traf version. There is still a difference in Trafs head i believe between a super defensive mindset (as scum) and a Town mindset (tiny less defensive). But the biggest tell will be in Kingm's flip..

Kingm is at L-2

Charle, Devante, Hjelp : give us the reason why you guys are not hammering / are in the wagon.. suspense is at peak tension right now.

Cofari, Cod, Riskmaster are all AWOL it seems so 3 votes lost anyways..and Strike could turn up too late (missing the deadline)

Kingm is tilting hard: silence → defense pleas → mother-promise → fatalistic GG

And where the hell is Traf?
If he were town he should already be here defending you with “no-lynch” arguments, but he’s completely silent. Because he’s your scumbuddy and he’s trying to distance?
Of course the second I post this you could suddenly see Trafstard’s tail appear… but it’s too late.
A real town Traf would have already said something by now.

@Kingm : You still have time. Use it.
But let’s be real about what you’ve actually done with that time..:

-“ATTENTION ATTENTION!! Sonic is a predatory social engineer harming my mental being” manifesto
-“I almost want to be lynched so you get me D2”
-Hours of silence (I want to write something, and also change my vote, but since anything I say can and will be used against me, I have tried to shut up the last couple of hours.)
-Then: “I promise (on my mother) that I am town” + “GG GL townies… you will find out when I’m dead that everything I said is 100% the truth”

And the cherry: “I find it funny that this time I probably will be killed for being too talkative, in other games I have gotten tons of warning for being too silent.”

That’s not a townie fighting for his life giving good reason's.
That’s scum who knows the flip is coming playing the emotion.

Would you not agree yourself that your lynch is the highest-information lynch on the board?

[SoN!c]

3 FP's..reading now

[Kingm]

Would you not agree yourself that your lynch is the highest-information lynch on the board?

Hmm, not really I think, since I know what I will flip, like Annieh does not know me at all, but she cleary has misunderstood that I have like I always do trying to be a bit funny, and what did she call me? " jerk personal appeal statements", ok so that was just the statement, and not calling me a jerk, fair enough.
But she I do believe is town, so when I flipp town I would not look at her, I still believe that Sonic is the dude that has pushed for my lynch, since he started to get a bit nervous when I started to smell his BS.

But then again, maybe if I think you 90% is scum, then loosing a vanilla town is good, problem is if you Sonic actually is town, we have just given the game to scum, since I will get lynched now, then Sonic probably D2.
Or wait it you, you will spin it, and you have talked yourself out of even worse places then I am, hmm you really have a skill I do not have hehe, I need to get better at manipulating people.

[SoN!c]

King, Who are your top 3 scum reads?

Who should be lynched tomorrow if you flip town (besides me - let's say i get nightkilled)? (Town players should always leave legacy reads)

What is your idea on Traf?

because Traf is:

-invisible
-not defending you
-not pushing the "no lynch" wagon

That is classic scum avoidance behavior.

What is your idea on Charle?

because Charle is:

-disappearing
-staying off your wagon

That is a common scum tactic

And lastly: who do you think will be nightkilled by scum?

[Loose Canon]

Updated Vote count

Kingm 6 - Ragian, Sonic, DJFireside, Annie, HomerJay, Kongming
Sonic 2 - Charle, Kingm
Cofari 2 - Hjelp, Devante

8 needed for a lynch (L) Kingm is at L-2
Deadline TOMORROW