www.skyandtelescope.org copy pastes.

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The three brightest celestial objects after the Sun shine in the westward dusk during twilight.



TUESDAY, MAY 19

■ This evening the waxing Moon forms the latest of its monthly quadrilaterals with Jupiter, Pollux, and Castor, as shown above. Down to their lower right shines Venus.

WEDNESDAY, MAY 20

■ Tonight the Moon shines upper left of Jupiter and Venus in the darkening dusk, as shown above. The Moon makes a nearly isosceles triangle (two equal sides) with Jupiter and Pollux.

https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-n ... may-15-24/

"The dangers of not thinking clearly are much greater now than ever before. It's not that there's something new in our way of thinking, it's that credulous and confused thinking can be much more lethal in ways it was never before."
— Carl Sagan, 1996, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
— John Adams, 1770, in the summation of his unpopular, but successful, defense of British soldiers in the Boston Massacre trial

"Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
— Voltaire, 1765, Questions sur les miracles

[ConfederateSS]

-----------Dr. Livingston, I presume... ..........
-----------------ONCE IN A BLUE MOON..........Most months have one FULL MOON....When a month has 2...The 2nd is A BLUE MOON....May 1st was a Full MOON....ON MAY 31st, 2026 A.D....A 2nd will appear.....A BLUE MOON...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

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NOT SkyandTelescope pastes

[Apatheist]

-----------Dr. Livingston, I presume... ..........
-----------------ONCE IN A BLUE MOON..........Most months have one FULL MOON....When a month has 2...The 2nd is A BLUE MOON....May 1st was a Full MOON....ON MAY 31st, 2026 A.D....A 2nd will appear.....A BLUE MOON...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

The Moon turns blue when tiny dust or smoke particles in Earth’s atmosphere scatter red light while allowing blue light to pass through. This requires highly specific atmospheric conditions—typically caused by major volcanic eruptions or massive forest fires—where airborne particles are exactly the right size to filter the spectrum.

The calendrical meaning of "blue moon" is unconnected to the other meanings. It is often referred to as "traditional", but since no occurrences are known prior to 1937 it is better described as an invented tradition or "modern American folklore". The practice of designating the second full moon in a month as "blue" originated with amateur astronomer James Hugh Pruett in 1946.

[jusplay4fun]

The sky this week from May 15 to 22: The moon greets Jupiter and Venus

Monday, May 18

The Moon is now just over two days old, a sliver of its eastern limb lit by the Sun as sunrise slowly crawls across the nearside. Catch the delicate crescent this evening, when it stands just 2° from Venus in the darkening sky after sunset. The pair is visible for more than 2½ hours after sunset, slowly sinking to disappear below the horizon shortly before 11 P.M. local daylight time. That means you have plenty of time to get out and enjoy them.

Venus is a blazing magnitude –3.9, the brightest point of light in the sky. It's located in far northeastern Taurus - but it will move into western Gemini, near the Twins' feet, by tomorrow evening. It joins bright Jupiter, which is closer to the heads of the Twins, shining at magnitude –1.9.

Check out Venus through a telescope and you'll see a lovely 12"-wide disk that appears 83 percent lit. The best time to view it is before the sky gets too dark, as Venus is so bright that the bright sky around it actually aids in viewing it. After dark is the time to check out Jupiter, which stretches 34" wide and sports four bright moons visible around it: Europa (closer) and Callisto to the east, and Io (closer) and Ganymede to the west. At least, that's the moons' orientation early in the evening - Ganymede is moving east, while Io is moving west. Around 11:20 P.M. EDT, these two moons stand in a north-south line; after this, they swap places, with Ganymede closer to Jupiter's western limb than Io.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/science/astro ... r-AA23f3JQ

For those looking, the copy and paste from Sky and Telescope above is very helpful, imo.

And for those with a telescope and good skills to use it, there are two telescopes to observe:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... r-AA22EMsJ

[HitRed]

Is Pluto back?

[ConfederateSS]

--------------PLUTO NEVER LEFT... ........ALWAYS A PLANET.........LIKE CLIMATE FREAKS, TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE....KIDS ACTUALLY LIVE IN FEAR....BECAUSE OF FAKE CLIMATE CHANGE....THE WORLD HATING AMERICA......(Most Fake Climate crap attacking AMERICAN LIFE).......PLUTO WAS FOUND AND NAMED BY AMERICANS......THE WORLD HATES THAT........AS FOR AMERICA ....PLUTO WILL ALWAYS BE A PLANET.....THEN YOU HAVE THE DEMOCRAT..TEACHER'S UNIONS, HATE AMERICA.....TEACHING FAKE SPACE CRAP TO AMERICAN KIDS....BECAUSE, PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH(little)....EVEN DECLARED PLUTO STILL A PLANET....IN AMERICA...AMERICANS....AMERICA 250(Happy Birthday PLUTO)... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
---------------------Even with other changes......THERE IS A THING CALLED GRAND FATHERED IN.....When things changed, some things stay without changing...

[Apatheist]

Climate change isn't fake. Think about it: if it's fake and we ignore it, no problem. However, if it's real, and we ignore it, the planet could be ruined. Isn't it better to err on the side of caution than scoff at something YOU know nothing about? Bear in mind that your president thought the answer to Covid was to drink bleach; 20% of the country didn't get vaccinated; 5% believe that they have been abducted by aliens. American life (and let's not even get started on guns, maternity leave, vacation time and healthcare) isn't necessarily that worth saving.
I'm certainly not taking any astronomical (or any other) advice from George W Bush. One only has to look at Venus (which you can now) to see what happens when greenhouse gasses take hold.

[jusplay4fun]

Climate change isn't fake. Think about it: if it's fake and we ignore it, no problem. However, if it's real, and we ignore it, the planet could be ruined. Isn't it better to err on the side of caution than scoff at something YOU know nothing about? Bear in mind that your president thought the answer to Covid was to drink bleach; 20% of the country didn't get vaccinated; 5% believe that they have been abducted by aliens. American life (and let's not even get started on guns, maternity leave, vacation time and healthcare) isn't necessarily that worth saving.
I'm certainly not taking any astronomical (or any other) advice from George W Bush. One only has to look at Venus (which you can now) to see what happens when greenhouse gasses take hold.

This "play it safe in case it is Real" argument is basically Pascal's Wager, it seems to me, Apatheist.

And, I would argue, that seeing Venus in the Sky is NOT PROOF of the effects of Greenhouse gases (even though I understand the point that you tried to make there).

[Apatheist]

Climate change isn't fake. Think about it: if it's fake and we ignore it, no problem. However, if it's real, and we ignore it, the planet could be ruined. Isn't it better to err on the side of caution than scoff at something YOU know nothing about? Bear in mind that your president thought the answer to Covid was to drink bleach; 20% of the country didn't get vaccinated; 5% believe that they have been abducted by aliens. American life (and let's not even get started on guns, maternity leave, vacation time and healthcare) isn't necessarily that worth saving.
I'm certainly not taking any astronomical (or any other) advice from George W Bush. One only has to look at Venus (which you can now) to see what happens when greenhouse gasses take hold.

This "play it safe in case it is Real" argument is basically Pascal's Wager, it seems to me, Apatheist.

And, I would argue, that seeing Venus in the Sky is NOT PROOF of the effects of Greenhouse gases (even though I understand the point that you tried to make there).

If you understand the point I was making, why appear to try to contradict it?
For the hard of thinking: astronomers (and related scientists) believe Venus previously had an atmosphere much more like ours, but the unchecked effects of greenhouse gases caused it to become the uninhabitable place that we see now (96.5% carbon dioxide, temperatures up to 467C (872F) and pressure that's 93 times that of Earth).
I was incidentally commenting that Venus is visible in the sky at the moment.
It is logically similar to Pascal's wager I suppose, although I would argue that one could limit and indeed waste one's life by living by arbitrary man-made rules designed to keep the populace under control, so there isn't entirely "No loss" in believing in a god if there isn't one - and of course, no-one even knows which religion they need to believe, so even believing is still a gamble. The group The Flying Pickets expressed it as "Eternity is a long time to spend in the wrong place". I am however prepared to argue my case, should the time come.
That said - we know that we exist (whatever that may actually mean) on this planet and are almost certainly having an effect on it, whereas an afterlife is pure speculation (and probably wishful thinking). I don't see a downside to doing our best to look after the planet - as someone said, it wasn't given to us by our parents, it was lent to us by our children.

[jusplay4fun]

You missed my point, Apatheist. I am NOT arguing Clmate change with you. Did you see any of my most recent LINKS on this topic?

Re: U.N. "SUCK IT CLIMATE FREAKS!!!!!!!!!"
Post by jusplay4fun » Sat May 23, 2026 9:07 pm

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... e#p5375322

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... it=Climate

https://climate.nasa.gov/images-of-chan ... ccelerates

Try the link above and you can go from before to after by Sliding the bar to compare. [T]here are very striking images of the retreat of glaciers and the shrinking of ice caps in the polar regions. There is a whole set of before and after "interactive" images at that URL.

I tried to directly post the image above, but was unable to do so.

And lots more here:
https://climate.nasa.gov/resources/grap ... ource_list

from:
Re: Global Warming [Comment by mortals only, please]
Post by jusplay4fun » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:36 pm

You missed my comparison where you said:

by Apatheist » Thu May 21, 2026 12:40 pm

Climate change isn't fake. Think about it: if it's fake and we ignore it, no problem. However, if it's real, and we ignore it, the planet could be ruined. Isn't it better to err on the side of caution than scoff at something YOU know nothing about?

I liken that quote by you to Pascal's Wager. Do you want to try again?

As far as you trying to justify your LIFE after you live it is NOT what I see happening. Judgement Day happens based on the Life you Lived, not on your attempts to rationalize your behavior, mistakes, attempts, and decisions made DURING your life. I do not see God similar a Judge on the Supreme Court (or in a Court of the Laws of men); his Laws and Ways are above man's ways. If you view of judgement is correct, we all need to be lawyers, as if we do not already have enough lawyers in the USA.

Your arguments here are not valid:

It is logically similar to Pascal's wager I suppose, although I would argue that one could limit and indeed waste one's life by living by arbitrary man-made rules designed to keep the populace under control, so there isn't entirely "No loss" in believing in a god if there isn't one - and of course, no-one even knows which religion they need to believe, so even believing is still a gamble. The group The Flying Pickets expressed it as "Eternity is a long time to spend in the wrong place". I am however prepared to argue my case, should the time come.

"man-mades rules?" NO

"Eternity in the Wrong Place"? Basically, only TWO, so bogus argument.

"so there isn't entirely "No loss" in believing in a god if there isn't one"? Missed the ENTIRE point of Pascal.

"no-one even knows which religion they need to believe" Pick one; you seem to LOVE to criticize and denegrate Christianity, in any form. I suppose our resident Muslim in no longer around. The same for the one who (apparently follows) one or more Chinese reigious ideas, or at least, Chinese notions to try to irritate those who believe in Western Democracies and the Freedom they espouse.

[WILLIAMS5232]

i saw a fireball the other night. it didn't light up the sky or anything, but it did make a flash, and then fizzle out. kind of neat. no pictures tho. it was such a coincidence too. i just happened to step out side and look to the south, and bam, there it was just as i turned my head.

[Apatheist]

As far as you trying to justify your LIFE after you live it is NOT what I see happening. Judgement Day happens based on the Life you Lived, not on your attempts to rationalize your behavior, mistakes, attempts, and decisions made DURING your life. I do not see God similar a Judge on the Supreme Court (or in a Court of the Laws of men); his Laws and Ways are above man's ways. If you view of judgement is correct, we all need to be lawyers, as if we do not already have enough lawyers in the USA.

You're entitled to your view. No-one knows what will happen when we die; if it is indeed a Judgement Day, who is to be the judge? Someone who wasn't able to convince most people to believe in them? As shown on Red Dwarf, the only person entitled to judge you is yourself.
I'm not sure what the difference is between "the Life you Lived" and "your behavior, mistakes, attempts, and decisions made DURING your life". Isn't that the life you lived?

Your arguments here are not valid:

"man-mades rules?" NO

Your opinion. My opinion: all religious rules are invented by people, not received from deities. You cannot prove otherwise, it's only a belief, based on what someone may or may not have said centuries ago, which isn't proof at all.

"Eternity in the Wrong Place"? Basically, only TWO, so bogus argument.

Incorrect on two counts. There are at least 5 options: oblivion, reincarnation, paradise, torment, purgatory. Just because you have no argument, it doesn't make mine bogus.

"no-one even knows which religion they need to believe" Pick one; you seem to LOVE to criticize and denegrate Christianity, in any form. I suppose our resident Muslim in no longer around. The same for the one who (apparently follows) one or more Chinese reigious ideas, or at least, Chinese notions to try to irritate those who believe in Western Democracies and the Freedom they espouse.

I'll quite happily slag off any religion, it's just that I've only encountered evangelical Christians on here. If a Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or whatever came on and proclaimed their views to be the only true ones, I'd be happy to point out the flaws in their belief system (eg what happens to the 72 virgins after they're no longer virgins?). My view remains that they can't all be right, so there's no mileage in believing in any of them.
However, "picking" a religion just to ward off future problems, when you don't actually believe in it, or know whether it's the right one, doesn't seem to me to be a reliable way to avoid eternal damnation.

[HitRed]

The time is coming that all will answer to the one true and living God of the universe. No man will pass through the gates without my say so. All must come and face me for the final time. I am the one Lord and judge of all. All must look at me and give an account for themselves. - Jesus

Full message

Spoiler

June 29, 21 Home

Message from Jesus

I have an abundance for all those who come to me with their hearts open and ready to receive. I come to hearts that are pure and clear and full of love for me the Lord and God. There is nothing so pleasing as to accept that what God himself offers those who come to Him openly and true. My coming is near and time is passing quickly. Don’t let time be your enemy. Come while there is still time. Come to the waters that truly refresh one’s soul. Come without waiting. The time is now to return to your Lord God and be renewed in spirit. The time is coming that all will answer to the one true and living God of the universe. No man will pass through the gates without my say so. All must come and face me for the final time. I am the one Lord and judge of all. All must look at me and give an account for themselves. For I am true God and true man that walked on the water and told the sea to calm down. I did all these things and more. I make the sun rise and the moon to shine at night. I have all glory that comes from my Father. All glory is mine!

Go for now.

[Apatheist]

The time is coming that all will answer to the one true and living God of the universe. No man will pass through the gates without my say so. All must come and face me for the final time. I am the one Lord and judge of all. All must look at me and give an account for themselves. - Jesus

Full message

Spoiler

June 29, 21 Home

Message from Jesus

I have an abundance for all those who come to me with their hearts open and ready to receive. I come to hearts that are pure and clear and full of love for me the Lord and God. There is nothing so pleasing as to accept that what God himself offers those who come to Him openly and true. My coming is near and time is passing quickly. Don’t let time be your enemy. Come while there is still time. Come to the waters that truly refresh one’s soul. Come without waiting. The time is now to return to your Lord God and be renewed in spirit. The time is coming that all will answer to the one true and living God of the universe. No man will pass through the gates without my say so. All must come and face me for the final time. I am the one Lord and judge of all. All must look at me and give an account for themselves. For I am true God and true man that walked on the water and told the sea to calm down. I did all these things and more. I make the sun rise and the moon to shine at night. I have all glory that comes from my Father. All glory is mine!

Go for now.

2000 years and we're still waiting - it might have been handy if things had been sorted out before the 1930s, for example. BTW the sun appears to rise because the Earth rotates, which is due to the way accretion works when solar systems are forming.
If he's "the one", what does that make his father? Not a god?

[jonesthecurl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0apIKo ... rt_radio=1

[HitRed]

God speaking on the Trinity

September 18, 21 Home

I am the rock that everything is founded on. Without me there would be nothing except God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit; three persons but one God in complete unity. There is much that humans do not understand or know about the world around them. All science should prove my existence without a doubt. Humans are denying me in science too. There are lies being told that are not true. Many are being led to believe and live out these lies. There are many who support and spread these falsehoods to the public. Many believe and are like sheep being led to slaughter. Many do not take the time to think for themselves. They are willing to let someone else do it for them. I gave man a reasonable amount of intelligence to search for the truth about all things. The proof of my existence is still there. All around you can see my presence in the world. To deny me is to deny life! Without me there would not be life. Seek the one true and everliving God of life.

There is more.

Go now.

January 7, 23 Adoration

I come to receive all that my Father has given me and I in turn shall offer everything back to Him. My Father and I are one in the unity of the Holy Spirit. The love we share unites us. In that love, we share with the world and those that believe in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. All blessings and graces flow from the Trinity, the triune. The Heavenly Father is preparing to send me back into the world for the final time. To gather those who are mine and bring them back with me for all of eternity. Time runs short, and most people are not ready for my coming. There will be many that do not make it. Many have chosen the other path to follow. Keep your hearts clean and look to me.

Go.

September 30, 23 Adoration

I tell you I am the Lamb of God who comes to save those who I have claimed as mine. Marked with a sign of faith as those of old I come to save. My Father’s command is that all men shall be drawn to me. All should come to the Lord their God; there is no other that will save. My Father and I are one. We live in union with the Holy Spirit. One day all who believe will live as one in union with the one Lord God of all.

January 26, 21 Divine Love

Be at peace. I come to you in the silence of your heart to speak. I come with words of a caring Lord for his own flock. My words have strength and power even in a world so deep into sin and self love.

My love goes deep into the hearts of those who truly follow me with their hearts. My love penetrates any heart that comes to me. The true love of the true God is so pure no human can contain such love. It is by grace that humans can accept this pure love. My grace is always there for those who seek me. My grace flows like a river over rocks and plants to give life to all that it touches. I am pure love and the purest form that can be. Love started with the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit as an expression between the three persons and the Trinity of the one God in three persons.

There is no greater love than what I did on the cross so long ago for mankind, to die for all, to save all from sin and death. There is no greater love than this to give one’s life for the life of the world. I come to a few that are willing to listen and spread my words to all that will listen and take to heart. There is more to say on such a great mystery as this, that it would contain so much knowledge for humans to take in.

My way is divine love, not disordered self love that comes from human selfishness. Love is pure, not contaminated by disordered love which is all about self and no one else. By and by this disordered love will prove itself to be wrong. For those that follow me will already see the wrong in this disordered love.

Come to me always. Search for me in your heart.

Go in peace and love.

[Apatheist]

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.

― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

[HitRed]

More of God speaking on the Trinity

October 22, 22 Adoration

I sit on the throne beside the God the Father of all. The beauty we see in creation sings the praises of God. Creation tells the story of the love and care of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit, three persons in one true divine being. No other can surpass the beauty of the one true Lord God Creator of all the living and all that is. My creation sings in harmony with its Creator. The true order of things can be seen in the beauty of nature. The way life should follow the order of its Creator in all things. I the Lord God of Heaven and earth see all and know all that happens here on earth and above the earth and below the earth, nothing escapes me.

Go.

[jusplay4fun]

As far as you trying to justify your LIFE after you live it is NOT what I see happening. Judgement Day happens based on the Life you Lived, not on your attempts to rationalize your behavior, mistakes, attempts, and decisions made DURING your life. I do not see God similar a Judge on the Supreme Court (or in a Court of the Laws of men); his Laws and Ways are above man's ways. If you view of judgement is correct, we all need to be lawyers, as if we do not already have enough lawyers in the USA.

You're entitled to your view. No-one knows what will happen when we die; if it is indeed a Judgement Day, who is to be the judge? Someone who wasn't able to convince most people to believe in them? As shown on Red Dwarf, the only person entitled to judge you is yourself.
I'm not sure what the difference is between "the Life you Lived" and "your behavior, mistakes, attempts, and decisions made DURING your life". Isn't that the life you lived?

You missed that phrase about
" your attempts to rationalize "

THAT is a rather HUGE Miss.

Your arguments here are not valid:

"man-mades rules?" NO

Your opinion. My opinion: all religious rules are invented by people, not received from deities. You cannot prove otherwise, it's only a belief, based on what someone may or may not have said centuries ago, which isn't proof at all.

I doubt there will EVER be ANY proof to make you happy or willing to accept ANY religious views. I figured that out a long time ago, that faith is found via the Heart, NOT the Head (intellect). You, Apatheist, look for answers in the wrong places and using the wrong means and wrong tools. You missed that memo, as you apparently missed other signs. You do not open yourself to the POSSIBLITY of Religion; NO wonder you DO NOT GET IT.

"Eternity in the Wrong Place"? Basically, only TWO, so bogus argument.

Incorrect on two counts. There are at least 5 options: oblivion, reincarnation, paradise, torment, purgatory. Just because you have no argument, it doesn't make mine bogus.

You overly complicate matters: up or down, not 3 sideways. You do not really allow for eternal condemnation, either. Good luck discussing THAT on Judgement Day. Be sure to hire a good lawyer to take with you on that Day, Apatheist.

"no-one even knows which religion they need to believe" Pick one; you seem to LOVE to criticize and denegrate Christianity, in any form. I suppose our resident Muslim in no longer around. The same for the one who (apparently follows) one or more Chinese reigious ideas, or at least, Chinese notions to try to irritate those who believe in Western Democracies and the Freedom they espouse.

I'll quite happily slag off any religion, it's just that I've only encountered evangelical Christians on here. If a Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or whatever came on and proclaimed their views to be the only true ones, I'd be happy to point out the flaws in their belief system (eg what happens to the 72 virgins after they're no longer virgins?). My view remains that they can't all be right, so there's no mileage in believing in any of them.
However, "picking" a religion just to ward off future problems, when you don't actually believe in it, or know whether it's the right one, doesn't seem to me to be a reliable way to avoid eternal damnation.

Again, you lost Pascal's Wager; and you STILL need a good lawyer. Your arguments presented here seem very inadequate to me. But, as you said, we are [all] entitled to our opinions.

I would also encourage you to discuss your ideas with " Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or whatever " See if that effort gives you any better insights to what happens when and after you die.

No one knows for sure; be sure to think long and hard about Pascal's Wager. I think you are losing that BET, Apatheist.

One reason you do not believe is that you fail to listen. God is not in the wind or the storm; he is in the whisper.
1 Kings 19:11-13

You spend so much time BELLOWING your disbeliefs that you fail to hear him whispering to you. FInd a quite place, find a quiet time, and ponder and meditate; listen for the whisper.

For the Record, I do not consider myself an Evangelical Christian, but labels are not the important matter here. HitRed finds his quiet time and place during what is called Adoration. I am not sure what he knows, but I know he believes in his God very strongly. I think he does not use his intellect to find God; he has found God with his Heart.

It seems to me that your intellect has failed you, Apatheist. You believe that you can out-think, out-wit, and win arguments against the Creator, when you come NOwhere NEAR that intellect. You think your intelligence and your arguments can and will win The Day for you. I am not that smart, and, it seems, not as smart as you.

[jusplay4fun]

Climate change isn't fake. Think about it: if it's fake and we ignore it, no problem. However, if it's real, and we ignore it, the planet could be ruined. Isn't it better to err on the side of caution than scoff at something YOU know nothing about? Bear in mind that your president thought the answer to Covid was to drink bleach; 20% of the country didn't get vaccinated; 5% believe that they have been abducted by aliens. American life (and let's not even get started on guns, maternity leave, vacation time and healthcare) isn't necessarily that worth saving.
I'm certainly not taking any astronomical (or any other) advice from George W Bush. One only has to look at Venus (which you can now) to see what happens when greenhouse gasses take hold.

This "play it safe in case it is Real" argument is basically Pascal's Wager, it seems to me, Apatheist.

And, I would argue, that seeing Venus in the Sky is NOT PROOF of the effects of Greenhouse gases (even though I understand the point that you tried to make there).

If you understand the point I was making, why appear to try to contradict it?

I did not contradict your point about Climate change is NOT fake; i think again you missed my point, Apatheist. It seems that you deliberatelty try to contradict me. You seem to find a contradiction under each stone of my statements.

For the hard of thinking: astronomers (and related scientists) believe Venus previously had an atmosphere much more like ours, but the unchecked effects of greenhouse gases caused it to become the uninhabitable place that we see now (96.5% carbon dioxide, temperatures up to 467C (872F) and pressure that's 93 times that of Earth).

I was incidentally commenting that Venus is visible in the sky at the moment.

You are correct. Apatheist, on Greenhouse gases for Venus. I think that Venus also has lots of sulfuric acid in its atmosphere, also making it unfit for Human Habitation.

from AI:

Venus has a thick atmosphere composed mainly of carbon dioxide (about 96.5%), while Earth's atmosphere is primarily nitrogen (78%) and oxygen (21%).
Surface pressure on Venus is about 92 times that of Earth, equivalent to being 900 meters underwater.
Venus experiences extreme greenhouse gas effects, leading to surface temperatures around 467°C (872°F), far hotter than Earth's average of 15°C (59°F).
The atmosphere of Venus contains clouds of sulfuric acid, making it highly corrosive, unlike Earth's water vapor clouds.

It is logically similar to Pascal's wager I suppose, although I would argue that one could limit and indeed waste one's life by living by arbitrary man-made rules designed to keep the populace under control, so there isn't entirely "No loss" in believing in a god if there isn't one - and of course, no-one even knows which religion they need to believe, so even believing is still a gamble. The group The Flying Pickets expressed it as "Eternity is a long time to spend in the wrong place". I am however prepared to argue my case, should the time come.
That said - we know that we exist (whatever that may actually mean) on this planet and are almost certainly having an effect on it, whereas an afterlife is pure speculation (and probably wishful thinking). I don't see a downside to doing our best to look after the planet - as someone said, it wasn't given to us by our parents, it was lent to us by our children.

I agree with Apatheist on the need to "look after our planet" as that makes sense to a thinking person (one who avoids the Politics of "Tribal Group Think"), it seems to me.

[Apatheist]

You're assuming there is a creator, JP. I guess we'll see when the time comes. You're also making assumptions about what happens on Judgement Day - for all you know one's eternal path could be settled on a game of table tennis...or maybe even a game on Conquer Club! Wouldn't that be amazing? Obviously this wouldn't have applied to earlier generations
I don't deliberately try to contradict you if I agree with you; it's possible that we're not quite on the same communication wavelength and are misunderstanding some of each other's points.
I think there are many things on which we agree, and several on which we never will.

EDIT: I will pick up on one thing you said, though:

You overly complicate matters: up or down, not 3 sideways.

A lot of people recount apparent past life experiences under hypnosis. I appreciate it's not what you believe; but how can you (or anyone) be 100% certain that there is no such thing as reincarnation?
BTW I wouldn't consider oblivion as sideways

[Apatheist]

It also crossed my mind that if you turned up on Judgement day and there was Odin - saying that since you didn't believe in him or die with sword in hand, you weren't going to be allowed into Asgard, Valhalla, Ragnarok or any of the other nice realms, and go straight to Náströnd - wouldn't you feel that it was a bit unfair?

[WILLIAMS5232]

The title of this needs to be changed.

Something like....

"Random scripture copy/pastes & continuous arguments about what level climate change zealot are you & If you choose God, which God do you prefer and why?"

[jusplay4fun]

It also crossed my mind that if you turned up on Judgement day and there was Odin - saying that since you didn't believe in him or die with sword in hand, you weren't going to be allowed into Asgard, Valhalla, Ragnarok or any of the other nice realms, and go straight to Náströnd - wouldn't you feel that it was a bit unfair?

You do realize that almost NO ONE follows Odin, Thor, and the rest, unless you are a dead viking or a comic book fan. They were replaced by what? The Lutheran brand, mostly, it seems.