gay - is it ok?

[unriggable]

You probably know more that don't tell you they're gay.

[unriggable]

well I fell uncomfortable too if that makes you happy. I know that it's OK, that they have a choice, and so on, and I respect that.

Maybe what I'm about to say now is gonna sound a little homophobic:But I always feel that I need to be careful and always watch my ass.

Not really (bolded part)

Yes they doo. I know a man who is happily married, has a child (a 21 year old daughter) and recently disclosed himself as homosexual.
Well that was a choice for sure!

It is frowned upon, most likely scared of being separated from the herd.

[suggs]

well I fell uncomfortable too if that makes you happy. I know that it's OK, that they have a choice, and so on, and I respect that.

Maybe what I'm about to say now is gonna sound a little homophobic:But I always feel that I need to be careful and always watch my ass.

Not really (bolded part)

Yes they doo. I know a man who is happily married, has a child (a 21 year old daughter) and recently disclosed himself as homosexual.
Well that was a choice for sure!

somehow i doubt he was that happy. he made a choice, of sorts -though it must ahve been opainful0to repress his sexuality-and now he is just being honest with himself. Good on him.

[muy_thaiguy]

You probably know more that don't tell you they're gay.

Considering other then them, everyone else I know is straight? And yes I know they are straight.

[unriggable]

You probably know more that don't tell you they're gay.

Considering other then them, everyone else I know is straight? And yes I know they are straight.

You sure? That one guy who's never talked about girls (or talks about it in an awkward way).

[ignotus]

well I fell uncomfortable too if that makes you happy. I know that it's OK, that they have a choice, and so on, and I respect that.

Maybe what I'm about to say now is gonna sound a little homophobic:But I always feel that I need to be careful and always watch my ass.

Not really (bolded part)

Yes they doo. I know a man who is happily married, has a child (a 21 year old daughter) and recently disclosed himself as homosexual.
Well that was a choice for sure!

somehow i doubt he was that happy. he made a choice, of sorts -though it must ahve been opainful0to repress his sexuality-and now he is just being honest with himself. Good on him.

He petrified the whole community. But we all known him for being "a little eccentric".
But I still think he made a good choice.

[muy_thaiguy]

You probably know more that don't tell you they're gay.

Considering other then them, everyone else I know is straight? And yes I know they are straight.

You sure? That one guy who's never talked about girls (or talks about it in an awkward way).

I'm positive.

[khazalid]

id like to point out a major logical fallacy

"how do u feel around gay people?"

this assumes that 'gay people' are an identical subset of people amongst whom deviation is impossible. it also assumes that homosexuality is the root cause of ones feelings towards said person, when infact gay people are just as likely to be tools as straight people are.

[EvilPurpleMonkey]

Nah, I don't think you are. Keep in mind everyone is an individual though.
At first, I did believe that had a choice, then I read a few reports saying they were born as they are, and I've also researched the Exotic Becomes Erotic theory. And, after careful consideration, I still have no fucking idea. Also, the part about homosexuality being a disorder. I think it fits with the Bor with it idea, but I wouldn't call it a disorder. I view it as beneficial due to the world population problem. Anywho, I really don't mind the company of gay people, I have two friends who are (Probably) gay. I haven't actually asked, but it's kind of obvious. They hug, hold hands, close relationship etc. etc no one really cares. However, I do have a problem with those really effeminate and flamboyant ones. They disgust me , walking down the streets dressed like a fruit bowl, constantly going shopping, speaking with there lisps. Oh, I despise those ones, the kind you see on those shows like queer eye. And the huge ones with bulging on steroids are creepy. But other than that, they're alright people.

[Simonov]

Simonov, I think your stereotyping homosexuals here. To say they are all feminine and not into sports or any other things and you will not have anything in common to say to them is un-necessary. Do you have that problem with female company too, maybe thats the reason your on the internet so much Also, not all gays are like that, many have many different interests which you would find out if you weren't so pre-judgemental when you met them.

ok, but the ones i know about match these stereotypes. as i said i have nothing against the fact they have relations with other men, more i this effeminate nature they have what repulses me and i dislike very much. i wasn't pre-judgemental, i though i was ok with this kind of behavior when heard about it on tv - cause everyone can live their life like they like. but when i actually encountered some of these people i simply didn't feel good in their company, and just want to avoid any not-needed contacts with them. i'm not the guy who'll throw stick and stones on them, i'm strongly against public persecution of gay people but still i personally don't like them.

[Guiscard]

constantly going shopping,.

The swines!

[Simonov]

However, I do have a problem with those really effeminate and flamboyant ones. They disgust me , walking down the streets dressed like a fruit bowl, constantly going shopping, speaking with there lisps. Oh, I despise those ones, the kind you see on those shows like queer eye. And the huge ones with bulging on steroids are creepy. But other than that, they're alright people.

qft, my view exactly.

[F1fth]

For me, I just find flamboyancy annoying. It has nothing to do with being gay. If you're loud and obnoxious, I treat you like a loud and obnoxious person. If you're not, cool.

As for whether it's morally right to be gay, I think it's a choice one makes (I generally believe in nuture over nature) and I believe it's a choice that people have the right to make. It does not bother me in the least as it does not affect me at all.

And I don't think you are a homophobe, just because you feel awkward around gay people.

Your feelings are not what define you, it's how you react to those feelings that do.

Eso es mis dos centavos.

[Simonov]

constantly going shopping,.

The swines!

it's not in man's nature to enjoy shopping. you go to store, buy and exit. you don't spend hours looking for clothes when you can spend that time sleeping or chugging beer.

[Guiscard]

Simonov, I think your stereotyping homosexuals here. To say they are all feminine and not into sports or any other things and you will not have anything in common to say to them is un-necessary. Do you have that problem with female company too, maybe thats the reason your on the internet so much Also, not all gays are like that, many have many different interests which you would find out if you weren't so pre-judgemental when you met them.

ok, but the ones i know about match these stereotypes. as i said i have nothing against the fact they have relations with other men, more i this effeminate nature they have what repulses me and i dislike very much. i wasn't pre-judgemental, i though i was ok with this kind of behavior when heard about it on tv - cause everyone can live their life like they like. but when i actually encountered some of these people i simply didn't feel good in their company, and just want to avoid any not-needed contacts with them. i'm not the guy who'll throw stick and stones on them, i'm strongly against public persecution of gay people but still i personally don't like them.

I think its just being unfamiliar. You're naturally uncomfortable with things you aren't familiar with, things you haven't experienced. The first time I came across a fairly effeminate man I was a little taken a back, and certainly felt outside of my comfort zone. Since then, however, I've moved in social circles with them and I feel perfectly comfortable. No different to how I'd treat anyone else. It seems somehow against nature for a man to be extremely effeminate, and I think that makes it more disconcerting, but once you spend some time getting to know someone like that it would probably be fine. I mean, I still find a few more outrageous characters annoying, but that isn't sexuality. I tend to dislike anyone who is so overly loud and in your face. I've taken against straight men for the same reason. I think its perfectly fine for you to dislike characteristics exhibited by gay men as long a you don't associate it with their sexuality too much. You'll get used to it. Imagine if you had a brother who was like that... you'd have to.... so you obviously could.

[Guiscard]

constantly going shopping,.

The swines!

it's not in man's nature to enjoy shopping. you go to store, buy and exit. you don't spend hours looking for clothes when you can spend that time sleeping or chugging beer.

I quite enjoy shopping. Spending money is always good, be it on clothes, trainers or completely un-needed items of musical equipment or art supplies.

[hecter]

ok, but the ones i know about match these stereotypes.

Key part of that whole post. The ones that you know about. I'm sure there are plenty of gay people around you that talk and act just like you do in public. You can't make blanket statements like that. It's most likely that you don't like flamboyant people (village people style) rather than just gays in general. BIG difference. You're not a homophobe if you don't like that, your a homophobe if you don't like people who have sex with other people of their same gender.

[Backglass]

Gay people are exactly the same as straight people. There are outgoing ones, and private ones. Ones you'd like to hang out with...and ones you would like to punch in the face.

The difference is you only notice the flamboyant ones. You all work, go to school or hang out with gay people every day.

You just don't know it.

[Nobunaga]

... Personally, I believe it's a choice. But hey, why should I care?

... I do become irritated a bit by homosexuals being viewed by others and themselves as a "minority group". Sure, they are a minority, but so are redheads, and I don't want to see government pass dollars to redhead-affiliated groups simply because they're redheads.

...

[hecter]

... Personally, I believe it's a choice. But hey, why should I care?

... I do become irritated a bit by homosexuals being viewed by others and themselves as a "minority group". Sure, they are a minority, but so are redheads, and I don't want to see government pass dollars to redhead-affiliated groups simply because they're redheads.

...

Since when, exactly, has the government passed off dollars to gays for being gay?

[spurgistan]

You sure? That one guy who's never talked about girls (or talks about it in an awkward way).

I'm positive.

Honestly, there's no way to "be positive" if somebody is gay or not. Even if you've seen all your friends having vigorous sex with beautiful women (don't know how they roll in WY, maybe you're into the kinky stuff) it's possible they could be deeply closeted men ashamed of their sexuality. Or bisexual, for that matter. And even if there was some sort of ironclad test to see if somebody is gay, it wouldn't be necessary for much of anything, seeing as how it's really none of your business if your a straight male.

[Nobunaga]

... Personally, I believe it's a choice. But hey, why should I care?

... I do become irritated a bit by homosexuals being viewed by others and themselves as a "minority group". Sure, they are a minority, but so are redheads, and I don't want to see government pass dollars to redhead-affiliated groups simply because they're redheads.

...

Since when, exactly, has the government passed off dollars to gays for being gay?

... What are you reading? I'm talking about redheads.

...

[hecter]

... Personally, I believe it's a choice. But hey, why should I care?

... I do become irritated a bit by homosexuals being viewed by others and themselves as a "minority group". Sure, they are a minority, but so are redheads, and I don't want to see government pass dollars to redhead-affiliated groups simply because they're redheads.

...

Since when, exactly, has the government passed off dollars to gays for being gay?

... What are you reading? I'm talking about redheads.

...

So you're thread-jacking then? Good to know...

[Frigidus]

I voted for the bottom option, but I want to punch most people in the face. Hm.

[freezie]

It is proved that homosexuality is a genetical matter.

Chilhood and such will only affect how OK you think it is.

Seriously, I never been around one. Well wrong, I have a Lesbia friends. I trust her more than many other friends I have, at least in the times I talked to her regulary..Anyhow.

It seriously don't pose any problems to me.

If you would distance yourself from a friend because of that, then you,re very wrong.

What made you become friend with him? Because he was straight?

Think again.