Some things are done better elsewhere

[jpliberty]

At one of CC's competitors, denizengames.com (Grand Strategy) there are some features which are vastly superior to what is offered by CC.

Some of these include:

1) on first turns, everyone gets the same amount of armies: 3. That makes it far more fair than here, where if one gets a bonus on the drop one gets it and can play it. Also, it eliminates much of the "advantage" for going first...and that is another improvement over CC. Moreover, you get the same 3 armies NOTWITHSTANDING which map you play...so, number of territories don't matter on the first round, on all first rounds you get 3 and so does/do your opponent(s). It really is vastly superior to the NOT THOUGHT OUT SYSTEM HERE. It truly removes some of the turn order and drop advantage, and who would argue that is a bad thing?

2) at denizengames, Clickable is integrated into the site; you don't have to download a dubious and unreliable plug-in to get the advantage of clickable, because clickable is inherent in the game play (sorry if that makes the plug-in creators mad, but the simple fact is I've never been able to get the damn plug-in here to work nearly as good as the integrated system over at denizengames).

3) Surrender button. That speaks for itself. There is NO reason not to include that here. A VASTLY better gaming experience and the way they handle it at denizengames makes me wonder why CC hasn't included this obvious enhancement at CC.

There are some other advantages, but the only one really needing mention is the map resolution. FAR superior over there to what one gets here.

Just thought I'd mention it.

[owenshooter]

you left out how they steal maps from CC... the black jesus has spoken...-0

[happy2seeyou]

you left out how they steal maps from CC... the black jesus has spoken...-0

Yep, there are a few maps that they stole. tisk tisk

[jpliberty]

you left out how they steal maps from CC... the black jesus has spoken...-0

Oh no I didn't leave that out.

ONLY AN IDIOT would suggest that is the case.

Or, have you not pondered the Hasbro communication with CC?

Do you think Hasbro was in the right? If so, explain to me why CC had to cede the map when it IS a map of the world.

And, once you get into that area, tell me why CC cartograpers somehow create something unique because they "redraw" or somehow get wrong the shape of a coastline.

COME ON.

You CANNOT steal a map of fixed geography. CANNOT happen.

And, as always, SCREW the black jesus.

[the.killing.44]

you left out how they steal maps from CC... the black jesus has spoken...-0

Oh no I didn't leave that out.

ONLY AN IDIOT would suggest that is the case.

Or, have you not pondered the Hasbro communication with CC?

Do you think Hasbro was in the right? If so, explain to me why CC had to cede the map when it IS a map of the world.

And, once you get into that area, tell me why CC cartograpers somehow create something unique because they "redraw" or somehow get wrong the shape of a coastline.

COME ON.

You CANNOT steal a map of fixed geography. CANNOT happen.

And, as always, SCREW the black jesus.

The map is a graphical representation of something and is under the copyright of the mapmaker … CC has no authority over the map. It can only be published as long as the maker wants to, and the maker can take it anywhere (but no one from here has).

*The Copyright Agreement
The author retains copyright on their work, and gives Conquer Club permission to use the imagery free of charge, for as long as Conquer Club sees fit on the Conquer Club website. Conquer Club cannot sell, lease, or lend the right to use the images to anyone else. The author swears that their map is their own work, or a legal derivative work and by submitting it, do hereby claim all responsibility for that being true.

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[owenshooter]

You CANNOT steal a map of fixed geography. CANNOT happen.
And, as always, SCREW the black jesus.

really? cannot? that asia map they have sure does have the same colours and gameplay as
the asia map that is here... oh, they put up some crappy pointed mountain graphics,
and that is the only difference... stolen... period. but, if you love it so much, bye!!!
the black jesus finds your blatant support of that joke site hilarious...-0

p.s.-that is only one of SEVERAL lifted maps from CC... and the choice of maps and
game play on CC blows that site out of the water... and our coffee mugs are better
too!!!

p.p.s.-please tell me how bamboo jack, age of merchants, world 2.0, arctic, berlin, etc,
are lifted from somewhere else... please, explain this to me...

[Timminz]

the only one really needing mention is the map resolution. FAR superior over there to what one gets here.

Which maps were you looking at? The ones I saw looked like they were made with MSPaint, using only the freehand, and fill tools.

[owenshooter]

the only one really needing mention is the map resolution. FAR superior over there to what one gets here.

Which maps were you looking at? The ones I saw looked like they were made with MSPaint, using only the freehand, and fill tools.

i believe that one was called "garbage earth" and the other is "canadian landfill"... absolute garbage maps... the black jesus has snickered...-0

[jpliberty]

You CANNOT steal a map of fixed geography. CANNOT happen.
And, as always, SCREW the black jesus.

really? cannot? that asia map they have sure does have the same colours and gameplay as
the asia map that is here... oh, they put up some crappy pointed mountain graphics,
and that is the only difference... stolen... period. but, if you love it so much, bye!!!
the black jesus finds your blatant support of that joke site hilarious...-0

p.s.-that is only one of SEVERAL lifted maps from CC... and the choice of maps and
game play on CC blows that site out of the water... and our coffee mugs are better
too!!!

p.p.s.-please tell me how bamboo jack, age of merchants, world 2.0, arctic, berlin, etc,
are lifted from somewhere else... please, explain this to me...

What does "lifted" have to do with it?

Besides, I was there FIRST, not here.

Again, "lifted" does NOT apply because it is a map of geographically DEFINED territories, states, nations, etc. CANNOT fudge that.

"Cannot" (in the absence of very talented and highly paid attorneys) successfully press the case your map of the world infringes on mine.

The other maps you mention are superflous to this argument. I would expect more from the black jesus, if I didn't know the nature of the Beast.

[Snorri1234]

Like porn, right?

[owenshooter]

The other maps you mention are superflous to this argument. I would expect more from the black jesus, if I didn't know the nature of the Beast.

still waiting to hear how the direct asia theft is not stealing a map. just because you saw one before the other is not a valid argument. one was created before the other, the other is stolen. guess who has stolen it? yeah, your best friends at suckfest.com... the black jesus is waiting for the lock from above...-0

p.s.-the other maps are pertinent to the argument, because you state that the cartographers at CC merely COPY maps and alter coastlines and attacks or whatever... proved your statement wrong. period.

[jpliberty]

you left out how they steal maps from CC... the black jesus has spoken...-0

Oh no I didn't leave that out.

ONLY AN IDIOT would suggest that is the case.

Or, have you not pondered the Hasbro communication with CC?

Do you think Hasbro was in the right? If so, explain to me why CC had to cede the map when it IS a map of the world.

And, once you get into that area, tell me why CC cartograpers somehow create something unique because they "redraw" or somehow get wrong the shape of a coastline.

COME ON.

You CANNOT steal a map of fixed geography. CANNOT happen.

And, as always, SCREW the black jesus.

The map is a graphical representation of something and is under the copyright of the mapmaker … CC has no authority over the map. It can only be published as long as the maker wants to, and the maker can take it anywhere (but no one from here has).

*The Copyright Agreement
The author retains copyright on their work, and gives Conquer Club permission to use the imagery free of charge, for as long as Conquer Club sees fit on the Conquer Club website. Conquer Club cannot sell, lease, or lend the right to use the images to anyone else. The author swears that their map is their own work, or a legal derivative work and by submitting it, do hereby claim all responsibility for that being true.

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MAPS of the world, or of parts of the world CANNOT carry a copyright...or, am I stupid? NO. NO way. You CANNOT claim copyright over taking a picture of Mt. Everest because someone beat you to it. And, so too here. You CANNOT claim that these maps are your maps. Cannot be done, very simple. Maps are maps, when they reflect actual territorial boundaries ("actual" meaning those which exist or have existed in the real world") those boundaries CANNOT be claimed as intellectual property.

No one "stole" over at denizengames just as CC didn't steal the Hasbro stuff.

Very simple.

And, you can't have it both ways. It seems obvious that anyone finding that denizengames stole MUST conclude that CC is a thief. I do not.

Of course, and thankfully, I am not burdened with the logical limitations of the black jesus.

[owenshooter]

Of course, and thankfully, I am not burdened with the logical limitations of the black jesus.

sooo, if you were over there first, why did you spend so much time over here? i guess this is your farewell? see ya!!!-0

p.s.-still waiting to hear how all the maps i listed, PLUS SOME, are not wholly original.
p.p.s.-still waiting to hear your defense of the stolen asia map. DOWN TO THE COLOURS,
FADING OF THE COLOURS ON THE MAP, and the attacks and bonuses!!! STOLEN!!! defend
it!!! you can't!!!

[the.killing.44]

No, it's the graphics that are the copyright, not the subject of the place. Take a look at British Isles 2 … that's not a map of the British Isles, it's a graphic representation adapted for RISK play. That is not subject to the copyright (or lack thereof) of a world map.


So your saying that has no copyright because it's a painting of a landscape?

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[keiths31]

Grand Strategy is just terrible...

[niMic]

I created an account, and it seems like half their maps are direct copies (probably simply snatched) from CC. Germany, North America, Asia, British Isles, Italy, Africa, etc. And whoever said that there cannot be copyright on this is dead wrong. Someone else already pointed out that it's not the simple "geographical map" which is the matter, but rather the graphics. Some of those maps are maps made by people at CC, and who as far as I know haven't given that site permission to use their graphics.

Oh, and I might add that the entire setup seems very amateur compared to CC. Ugly layout, no proper forum, etc.

[jpliberty]

Like porn, right?

No. No. No.

Cannot "steal" a map of Asia. Asia has been around longer than the internet and actually, far longer than the existence of maps. Can't steal that. That is "public domain", "free use", etc.

[jpliberty]

I created an account, and it seems like half their maps are direct copies (probably simply snatched) from CC. Germany, North America, Asia, British Isles, Italy, Africa, etc. And whoever said that there cannot be copyright on this is dead wrong. Someone else already pointed out that it's not the simple "geographical map" which is the matter, but rather the graphics. Some of those maps are maps made by people at CC, and who as far as I know haven't given that site permission to use their graphics.

So, I want to ask you, is Hasbro right in going after CC?

To use your logic, it's a slamdunk for Hasbro. To use my logic it is not.

You decide.

And, whatever either of us does, let's sure as hell avoid the logic of the black jesus.

[jpliberty]

I created an account, and it seems like half their maps are direct copies (probably simply snatched) from CC. Germany, North America, Asia, British Isles, Italy, Africa, etc. And whoever said that there cannot be copyright on this is dead wrong. Someone else already pointed out that it's not the simple "geographical map" which is the matter, but rather the graphics. Some of those maps are maps made by people at CC, and who as far as I know haven't given that site permission to use their graphics.

So, I want to ask you, is Hasbro right in going after CC?

To use your logic, it's a slamdunk for Hasbro. To use my logic it is not.

You decide.

And, whatever either of us does, let's sure as hell avoid the logic of the black jesus.

IF, IF, IF, Hasbro can go after CC, they CAN go after the users of CC. It is that simple...or are you to simple to understand that?

[niMic]

I created an account, and it seems like half their maps are direct copies (probably simply snatched) from CC. Germany, North America, Asia, British Isles, Italy, Africa, etc. And whoever said that there cannot be copyright on this is dead wrong. Someone else already pointed out that it's not the simple "geographical map" which is the matter, but rather the graphics. Some of those maps are maps made by people at CC, and who as far as I know haven't given that site permission to use their graphics.

So, I want to ask you, is Hasbro right in going after CC?

To use your logic, it's a slamdunk for Hasbro. To use my logic it is not.

You decide.

And, whatever either of us does, let's sure as hell avoid the logic of the black jesus.

If CC used identical graphics to what Hasbro created, then yes, they have a case. It's not a case of "my logic or your logic", it's a case of copyright law. I'm no lawyer, so I could well be wrong on some points, but I'm pretty sure the issue here are the graphics, which is also why CC had to give up Classic.

[BaldAdonis]

I remember seeing (way back when) some competitions between sites. So we'd send some of our players to play some of their players, and vice versa. Seemed pretty sweet.

[owenshooter]

And, whatever either of us does, let's sure as hell avoid the logic of the black jesus.

you mean avoid the questions i put forth that you have no answer to, be honest... again, show me how those maps i listed have anything to do with hasbro. and explain to me how half a dozen of the maps on your superior site are not directly stolen from CC.. and also, i don't remember anything about hasbro or copyright being in your OP, so please stay on topic. if you want to discuss lawsuits/hasbro/copyright, start a new thread. this one is about the superior site, not hasbro. i owned you, i owned your "logic", i gave sound examples of how flawed your thought process is, and you have ZERO REBUTTAL... go back to your other site with your tail between your legs, because your garbage is not flying here... the black jesus has made you look foolish...-0

[Iron Butterfly]

Hasbro called CC out on the carpet and won. CC made game design changes, by changing 3 maps and changing the wording of several words that have no affect on game play. I myself was always amazed out how CC took the original map as its own.

However the CC community created several maps with different game play, styles and looks.

CC has made amends. This other site has not.

Taking intellectual property simply because someone else did it first does not make it right.

[StiffMittens]

MAPS of the world, or of parts of the world CANNOT carry a copyright...or, am I stupid?

You are stupid.

http://www.maps-eureka.com/copyright.html

[niMic]

MAPS of the world, or of parts of the world CANNOT carry a copyright...or, am I stupid?

You are stupid.

http://www.maps-eureka.com/copyright.html

Well, that settles it then. If there ever was really anything to settle, for most of us.